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mailman13
Posted 9/6/2016 16:55 (#5512786)
Subject: Big Iron and Auctiontime question



West Central Iowa
Watching a few items on Big Iron and there are only a few hours left in the auction. What happens if $20,000 item only has a big of $500 at the end of the auction? I know these are supposed to be absolute sales but I can't believe someone will basically give this item away. We have all been to sales where we know an item is being protected by a friend of the owner, which is fine as far as I am concerned. Do either of these companies frown on this type of behavior or do they just collect their commission regardless of if the item actually sells? I have heard both ways about both of these companies and would like to hear from those who have bought or sold items on these sites.
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XIX
Posted 9/6/2016 16:58 (#5512790 - in reply to #5512786)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Let me know if they're still $500 when there's 20 minutes left.
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mailman13
Posted 9/6/2016 17:10 (#5512802 - in reply to #5512790)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question



West Central Iowa
I know how these auctions typically work. Just like when Ebay used to be mostly auctions instead of buy it now, I used to wait and watch the last 5 minutes of the bidding and witness the flurry of bids and then the snipe bids. I'm sure there is a way the seller can have a friend protect the item for him so he is not actually looking like the one with the buyback. Just asking how close these sites monitor this or if they just want to collect their commission. I know of an auction company who charges half commission on buybacks, but is up front about it before the auction even starts.
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KLo
Posted 9/6/2016 17:17 (#5512810 - in reply to #5512786)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question



Northeast, NE
Big Iron auction is tomorrow, so I am sure someone will bid it up to a reasonable level by the end of the sale.
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Galaxie64
Posted 9/6/2016 17:39 (#5512839 - in reply to #5512786)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


WY, OK

Simple, it isn't a $20K item you won't find a 4000% deal unless we are talking a few dollar item.  Anyone in their right mind selling something that truly is worth say $20K would have a "friend" protecting the bid to a point.  But even if they aren't you aren't going to save 4K% on a big ticket item too many other people would bid much higher.

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shawns_46917
Posted 9/6/2016 17:54 (#5512860 - in reply to #5512786)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Delphi,IN
I am an Independent Rep for BigIron. No reserves or buy backs. You are not allowed to bid on your own item or have someone bid on it for you. In the contract you sign you agree to those terms. There are people who monitor the bidding to make sure it is fair.
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shawns_46917
Posted 9/6/2016 17:56 (#5512863 - in reply to #5512860)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Delphi,IN
BigIron also has a five minute bid extension after the last bid to keep people from winning something at the last second like eBay. The bidding continues until everybody stops bidding, just like a live auction.
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swne
Posted 9/6/2016 18:08 (#5512880 - in reply to #5512863)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska
Yes, I like that idea. Fair to the buyers and the seller gets the highest price.
That 5 minute bid extension means bidders have 5 minutes to up the bid, 5 minutes at a time until no more bids. Can go on for an hour or more.
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Aussy Harold
Posted 9/6/2016 19:29 (#5513064 - in reply to #5512880)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


North East Wimmera district of Victoria.

What is that advantage of that over the E-bay style finite time/close of bidding?

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Kooiker
Posted 9/6/2016 19:34 (#5513078 - in reply to #5513064)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question



Aussy Harold - 9/6/2016 19:29

What is that advantage of that over the E-bay style finite time/close of bidding?




Everyone that wants to raise the bid has a chance to do so.    It isn't just a contest of how fast of internet connection you have.   This is good since most of rural America doesn't have real fast internet service.




 

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shawns_46917
Posted 9/6/2016 19:34 (#5513079 - in reply to #5513064)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Delphi,IN
More bids and gives bidders extra time to think about bidding again.
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swne
Posted 9/6/2016 18:05 (#5512876 - in reply to #5512786)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska
I sold a couple of items on BigIron this spring and the rep told me do NOT protect the item. He said he couldn't stop me from having someone else protect it for me but recommended against it. I said I understood the absolute auction way and if I wanted a certain price I would have sold it privately.
I came out much better going the auction way. Both items brought as much if not more than I would have asked to sell them for even after commission.
The price doubled on both items in the last hour or so of bidding.
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DaleK
Posted 9/6/2016 19:04 (#5512994 - in reply to #5512786)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


East-Central Ontario
If you watch auctiontime it won't be long before you notice the same item being sold from the same dealer 3-4 times
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shawns_46917
Posted 9/6/2016 19:36 (#5513083 - in reply to #5512994)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Delphi,IN
I have noticed that also. They are not absolute.
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zkeele
Posted 9/6/2016 21:38 (#5513525 - in reply to #5513083)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


Tennessee
I was high bidder on a White 185 last week with 1 minute left. $14800. Another guy bid while I wasn't paying attention and won it for $14900. Low and behold it's back for sale on tractor house today for $25k. Same dealer that had it on Auctiontime. I didn't really want it, but bid because it was a great deal for less than $15k.

Edited by zkeele 9/6/2016 21:38
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Tazzerblue
Posted 9/6/2016 22:58 (#5513702 - in reply to #5513525)
Subject: Nothing is absolute!! its a Game, I mean auction


SW MN
Buyer beware!!
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tmrand
Posted 9/7/2016 07:53 (#5514007 - in reply to #5512786)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question



Southeast Colorado
I was a Big Iron rep for 4 years but am not anymore. I always thought they had a pretty good system to punish sellers who bought back their equipment. I'm sure some folks were sneaky enough to get it done without being caught but the system self policed pretty well by charging a high enough commission that if the owner did buy it back they were going to be out quite a bit of money and still have their item to sell. Hard to find a better market than an internet auction so not sure the owner was going to win in those scenarios.

Auctiontime is run totally different and tractorhouse offers very little oversight on their platform. They leave it all up to their dealer reps to handle it however they want. If they have repeated complaints they may finally get rid of that rep but they really don't help the buyers at all. More bargains on auctiontime but also lots more no sales.
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senodak
Posted 9/7/2016 08:06 (#5514029 - in reply to #5514007)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


I've seen it on every auction site where something goes really cheap and you can find it for sale online elsewhere a few months after the online auction. You pretty much know some stuff gets bought back. But yes, the seller has to pay commission and then they don't get rid of their item.

Every auction regardless of what they say cannot have absolute control of the item being bought back. And I accept that as fair. The seller accepts a risk putting it on there and can manage that by buying it back and losing their premium. On the other hand, I am sure there are some auctions... especially the on-site dealer auctions... where the dealer and the auctioneer have limits established before the sale and either a flat rate premium is paid for the whole sale and all items or no premium is paid on the buybacks. The auctioneer is happy to get some money to run the sale. The implement dealer gets to sell some equipment and raise a little cash. And there is no set-up, everything just sits on the dealer lot and continues to sit there if not sold. If you pay attention to those types of auctions and drive by the lot two months later you usually see a fair amount of pieces that haven't left and are still for sale. Those types of sales I'd watch out for as being stacked against the buyer. But they still are a good way of buying something you might have wanted to buy anyway at a reduced price. But probably not exactly "fair".
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tmrand
Posted 9/7/2016 08:27 (#5514088 - in reply to #5514029)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question



Southeast Colorado
You are right. Auctiontime charges a lower flat fee to list anything so then the rep gets to decide how much he wants to make for his trouble. Sometimes that amount is very little or zero if they are just trying to get good exposure in their area. In a lot of cases the dealer that owns the machinery is the rep. That is where a lot of the no sales come from.
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Aussy Harold
Posted 9/7/2016 21:23 (#5515915 - in reply to #5514029)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


North East Wimmera district of Victoria.

All that is above reinforces the reason why Farm Tender [in Aust.] is starting up in the USA.  - look up "55 Farms."

On Farm Tender, items are advertised at either a set price, or a ONO [or near offer] basis, but the Farm Tender guys do not make anything out of No Sales. They are the link between buyer and seller, and put the buyer in touch with the seller. If a deal eventuates, they charge a 3% commission [reducing on high priced items].

Works great. Last thing I sold, I listed it with photos Sunday evening, had a ring from Farm Tender Monday evening, followed by the prospective buyer phoning. He came to look Tues morning, with the intention of buying, and towed the item away before lunch Tuesday!

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Aussy Harold
Posted 9/7/2016 21:29 (#5515945 - in reply to #5514029)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


North East Wimmera district of Victoria.

A correction to the info below about 55 Farms -

go  - www.55farms.com   and you will be there!

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tmrand
Posted 9/7/2016 21:40 (#5515993 - in reply to #5515945)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question



Southeast Colorado
What keeps guys from just making a deal on the side after contacting each other to avoid the 3% commission? All they'd have to do is say no deal had been made. Not trying to buck your system........more so curious.
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Aussy Harold
Posted 9/8/2016 02:17 (#5516350 - in reply to #5515993)
Subject: RE: Big Iron and Auctiontime question


North East Wimmera district of Victoria.

tmrand says - "What keeps guys from just making a deal on the side after contacting each other to avoid the 3% commission? All they'd have to do is say no deal had been made. Not trying to buck your system........more so curious."

Valid point - but in my honest way I had never considered it!  Maybe us Aussies are basically honest [kidding!]

Guess there is some "terms of agreement" and you may be blackbanned if you break them. Also, not sure what reason you could then give to remove the item from Farm Tender listing, and others would continue to enquire about purchasing.  I forget what was required when I joined, few years ago, but now to access info about a seller I have to log in and express interest through the "Farm Tender" organisation.

As I have retired, I am listing some of my farm gear, and getting good results. Better [in my opinion] than a clearing sale where some things are real bargains - to the detriment of the seller.  For instance, my seeding rig - a cultivator bar and an air bin - was listed for 2 1/2 months before someone made an enquiry. Then he travelled 1200km to see it and shake hands on the deal.

Suggest you go to www.farmtender.com.au and see how it works.

If I wanted a Case IH 2388, I would do a search , all 'live' listings then show, and also those sold recently, with the asking price and description so one can see what various machines, with varying hours and header fronts are changing hands for $ wise. 

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