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ktripberger
Posted 2/16/2016 08:02 (#5115099)
Subject: Freightliner cruise control


I am almost at a loss. I have a 2000 Freightliner Classic and I can not get the cruise control to work for nothing. When I am sitting at an idle, it will work to increase the idle, but as soon as I start driving it won't work. The jake brake still works, which should mean that my clutch switch is operating properly. I have replaced all the brake switches. I have switched the speedometer wires coming out of the transmission. I have also switched out the ECM with a neighbor that I knew the cruise control worked on his truck and still nothing. I have no idea what else to try or even check. Any help would be greatly appreciated, before I have to take it to the dealership and have them check it. I would love to avoid that cost. Thanks!
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4WD
Posted 2/16/2016 09:12 (#5115261 - in reply to #5115099)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

ktripberger - 2/16/2016 08:02 I am almost at a loss. I have a 2000 Freightliner Classic and I can not get the cruise control to work for nothing.

 When I am sitting at an idle, it will work to increase the idle, but as soon as I start driving it won't work.

  The jake brake still works, which should mean that my clutch switch is operating properly. I have replaced all the brake switches.

  I have switched the speedometer wires coming out of the transmission.

  I have also switched out the ECM with a neighbor that I knew the cruise control worked on his truck and still nothing.

  I have no idea what else to try or even check. Any help would be greatly appreciated, before I have to take it to the dealership and have them check it. I would love to avoid that cost. Thanks!

 

By your description, it sounds like your problem, is in the wiring from transmission MPH sensor up to the engine's ECM.

Just for the heck of it, Have you tried holding up on the clutch pedal while driving(and attempt to set cruise) = maybe the clutch switch is barely making contact, with truck sitting still; but while bouncing on the road(driving), the clutch switch signal is intermittent, thus cruise won't engage = just a thought = easy to test.

 

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durallymax
Posted 2/16/2016 09:26 (#5115290 - in reply to #5115099)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Wi
Does yours have two speed sensors at the trans output? I know our 01 FLD does. One is for the speedo, the other is for the ECM. Speedo will read fine if the ECM doesn't have a speed signal, cruise won't work though.

Some trucks use one sensor with two outputs also.

Edited by durallymax 2/16/2016 09:27
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School Of Hard Knock
Posted 2/16/2016 11:03 (#5115479 - in reply to #5115099)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Central ND
On my columbia, you have to shut off the off and on switch every time you restart the engine otherwise cruise won't engage
I belive they work that way

Edited by School Of Hard Knock 2/16/2016 11:06
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JRthefarmer
Posted 2/16/2016 11:19 (#5115508 - in reply to #5115099)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control



SESD
In my 01 classic, I need to have the Jake switch in the off position for the cruise to work. When the jake is on, cruise won't work.
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ktripberger
Posted 2/16/2016 14:02 (#5115825 - in reply to #5115508)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


I have done some digging around on it today. There is only one speed sensor with two outputs, I have switched them back and forth and the speedometer reads fine on either output. I have checked the continuity on the wires from the speed sensor to the ECM and I have continuity on one output. Both wires from that output have continuity to the ECM. I tried every variable with the On/Off switch, held my foot up on the clutch switch and still nothing. I believe I am real close to a total loss on this one. Thanks for your help guys!
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4WD
Posted 2/16/2016 16:10 (#5116028 - in reply to #5115825)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

ktripberger - 2/16/2016 14:02 I have done some digging around on it today.

  There is only one speed sensor with two outputs, I have switched them back and forth and the speedometer reads fine on either output.

  I have checked the continuity on the wires from the speed sensor to the ECM and I have continuity on one output. Both wires from that output have continuity to the ECM.

  I tried every variable with the On/Off switch, held my foot up on the clutch switch and still nothing.

  I believe I am real close to a total loss on this one.

  Thanks for your help guys!

ktripberger - 2/16/2016 08:02 I am almost at a loss. I have a 2000 Freightliner Classic and I can not get the cruise control to work for nothing.

 

 When I am sitting at an idle, it will work to increase the idle, but as soon as I start driving it won't work.

  The jake brake still works, which should mean that my clutch switch is operating properly. I have replaced all the brake switches.

  I have switched the speedometer wires coming out of the transmission.

  I have also switched out the ECM with a neighbor that I knew the cruise control worked on his truck and still nothing.

  I have no idea what else to try or even check. Any help would be greatly appreciated, before I have to take it to the dealership and have them check it. I would love to avoid that cost. Thanks!

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Ok. I copied and pasted your first thread, so I can see everything on one page.

First, have you owned the truck, when the cruise control actually worked?  (or is this truck  "new to you", and you just purchased it?)

What brand of engine?

Is there a PTO switch, on this vehicle or dash?

The two wires, between MPH sensor and the ECM; Were they twisted together? (or has someone just throw on different wires and they aren't twisted)  = they need to be twisted (they call them a "twisted pair").

 

On your first post you said = it will increase idle  {Does that mean, after you release the cruise "set" button/rocker switch, does the engine maintain that certain RPM, sitting still ?  Example:  it maintains 1250 rpm or whatever, with your hands OFF the dash switches?} or does it drop back down, in rpms?

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ktripberger
Posted 2/16/2016 16:35 (#5116084 - in reply to #5116028)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


I have owned the truck for a little over a year and no the cruise has never worked for me. It is a 12.7 Detroit. There isn't a PTO switch. The wires are not twisted, but it doesn't look like somebody just threw wires in there. They are covered with the plastic wire protector. If I am just sitting there at low idle (600 RPM), and all I do is rock the cruise set (rocker) switch it will increase the idle to 1000 RPM. I don't have to touch the pedal or anything and it will do that. But if I push the pedal to 1500 RPM and hit the cruise set switch it will stay at 1500 RPM. Hope this helps with your questions, and also thanks for the help.
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4WD
Posted 2/16/2016 16:56 (#5116128 - in reply to #5116084)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

ktripberger - 2/16/2016 16:35 I have owned the truck for a little over a year and no the cruise has never worked for me. It is a 12.7 Detroit. There isn't a PTO switch.

  The wires are not twisted, but it doesn't look like somebody just threw wires in there.

 They are covered with the plastic wire protector.

  If I am just sitting there at low idle (600 RPM), and all I do is rock the cruise set (rocker) switch it will increase the idle to 1000 RPM. I don't have to touch the pedal or anything and it will do that. But if I push the pedal to 1500 RPM and hit the cruise set switch it will stay at 1500 RPM. Hope this helps with your questions, and also thanks for the help.

 

I'm not a Detroit guy, but on a MPH circuit, it shouldn't matter what truck or engine brand, WHEN it comes to those wires = they should be twisted, but maybe they are twisted inside that "plastic wire protector" or is that protector, just one of those "split-loom" automotive style coverings that anyone can get at an auto parts store (homemade?) = could you look inside?

Does that covering look like the rest of the truck's wiring? (factory-looking?)

 

Maybe the "pins" at the ECM's connector happen to be in the wrong port/location and that is why neither your ECM or your neighbor's ECM could "read" MPH {thus neither allowed cruise to work} = just a thought.

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durallymax
Posted 2/16/2016 16:55 (#5116126 - in reply to #5115825)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Wi
Sounds like it could be your parking brake switch, you'll see it on a line on the back of the dash valves. Pull the top dash piece off(easier to get to that way then removing the dash face), it's a simple stop lamp type switch with two wires. Must be stuck telling the ECM you are still in Park, which is why PTO/Idle mode works but nothing does going down the road.

Simple way to check is to release parking brake with the cruise set, it should kick out.


Happened to have that piece off ours so I took a picture, you can't quite see it in this pic but the arrow points to the location.

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milofarmer1
Posted 2/16/2016 17:53 (#5116233 - in reply to #5116126)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control



Texas/New Mexico Stateline
That is what I was thinking too.


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ktripberger
Posted 2/16/2016 20:07 (#5116601 - in reply to #5116126)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Not exactly following what you are saying about the parking brake switch?? Are you talking about the air switch that has the two terminals on top? If that is what you are talking about I have replaced that. I will have to do more digging if there is another switch behind the parking brake valve.
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durallymax
Posted 2/16/2016 21:00 (#5116779 - in reply to #5116601)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Wi
ktripberger - 2/16/2016 20:07

Not exactly following what you are saying about the parking brake switch?? Are you talking about the air switch that has the two terminals on top? If that is what you are talking about I have replaced that. I will have to do more digging if there is another switch behind the parking brake valve.


There's a couple of them in there, which one did you replace? I'm not talking about the brake light switch, although it's similar.
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ktripberger
Posted 2/17/2016 13:15 (#5118039 - in reply to #5116779)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Well I have done more digging today, and I am not finding another switch with two wires going to it. On mine it has the parking light switch, which is the one on top of the parking brake valve. That is the only switch or anything with wires going to it for that matter that is located on the parking brake valve. On my dash where the cruise control switches are, it reads cruise control, but does not have a sticker that reads on/off or res/accel or set/coast. Would this indicate that my truck is only set up to increase the idle for a PTO, or am I reading too deep into that. I called the dealership and basically they said to bring it to them to look at, no help over the phone. Thanks again.
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durallymax
Posted 2/18/2016 12:58 (#5120374 - in reply to #5118039)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Wi
The parking light switch you are referring to lights up an indicator that the parking brake is set?

What you describe for the cruise switches ia probably normal. There is a fiber lit tag that reads cruise control, and a simple sticker that may be MIA which says the other stuff.



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ktripberger
Posted 2/19/2016 06:43 (#5121910 - in reply to #5120374)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


That is exactly what my setup looks like, minus the sticker that says the other stuff. And that is the parking light switch that lights up an indicator that the barking brake is set. And that is the only switch with wires that is going to the parking brake valve.
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durallymax
Posted 2/19/2016 09:12 (#5122262 - in reply to #5121910)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


Wi
ktripberger - 2/19/2016 06:43

That is exactly what my setup looks like, minus the sticker that says the other stuff. And that is the parking light switch that lights up an indicator that the barking brake is set. And that is the only switch with wires that is going to the parking brake valve.


In the pic I posted there's two switches, one for the light and one for the ECM.

Regardless, easiest way to rule it out is to increase the idle speed with the parking brake set, then release the parking brake. If the RPMs do not drop to idle, something in that circuit may be your issue. If they do drop to idle, that function is working fine.
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ktripberger
Posted 2/19/2016 15:53 (#5122939 - in reply to #5122262)
Subject: RE: Freightliner cruise control


I increased my idle with the parking brake set and then released the parking brake and the idle stayed where I had set it. Like I said there is not another brake switch that is going to the ECM just to the parking brake indicator. Is there any way a switch can be added and sent to the ECM or would I just be opening up another can worms?
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