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dar1
Posted 2/16/2016 05:03 (#5114806)
Subject: 750 Drill experiment.....


central michigan
Just bought a very nice late model 1998 750 drill. It has very good boots and blades and is in very good shape. It needed a couple of closing wheel bearings and after reading on here everyone agrees the newer style wheels are better. After looking at the costs of NEW wheels I decided to rebuild all of the old ones. I bought shoup kits off a farmer on E-Bay and have less than 12.00 per row into them. Put all new bearings, seals and the RETAINERS (look like a ready sleeve to me) . I work really cheap labor wise and can replace these at least 5 times for the cost of new assemblys. It will only cover 200 acres a tear and will always be kept inside . We will see but I hope I made the RIGHT decision.... Time will tell if I did GOOD??????
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hillfarmer
Posted 2/16/2016 05:17 (#5114814 - in reply to #5114806)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



drill the wheels and add a grease zerk to install grease behind the seal
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dar1
Posted 2/16/2016 05:31 (#5114831 - in reply to #5114814)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....


central michigan
Never thought about that. Did you do one ? Did they last lots longer? Got any pics? Thanks Darwin
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iseedit
Posted 2/16/2016 05:39 (#5114835 - in reply to #5114831)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



central - east central Minnesota -

dar1 - 2/16/2016 05:31 Never thought about that. Did you do one ? Did they last lots longer? Got any pics? Thanks Darwin

I rebuilt my wheels also, like you did. It was way less expensive and I didn't drill for grease zerk. That was about 3000 acres (plus/minus) ago. The first factory set ran for several thousand acres, so I figured these should last my life time?

I wish you had contacted me. I have a extra set of all the parts. I doubled my order some how, when I sourced all the different parts from the bearing dealer . . . . . . .

What you did will work and saved you money. The only other concern is the wear on the cast wheel edge - it likely  needs to be reshaped  . . . . . green drills co, is now cutting points into them, making them crumbler type wheels. I need to do that to my wheels ~

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sparrell
Posted 2/16/2016 06:22 (#5114877 - in reply to #5114835)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



Iseedit, I think in the past youve had pics on here pulling a 750 with an mx150. I want to try to pull a 750 with a 51/5200 series Maxxum. Just wondering if you have any advice on how to set up the hydraulics on either the drill or tractor to do this. I would likely be just renting the drill for a few acres so changing a lot on the drill is probably not in the cards. Any advice? Thank you.
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iseedit
Posted 2/16/2016 06:32 (#5114893 - in reply to #5114877)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



central - east central Minnesota -

sparrell - 2/16/2016 06:22 Iseedit, I think in the past youve had pics on here pulling a 750 with an mx150. I want to try to pull a 750 with a 51/5200 series Maxxum. Just wondering if you have any advice on how to set up the hydraulics on either the drill or tractor to do this. I would likely be just renting the drill for a few acres so changing a lot on the drill is probably not in the cards. Any advice? Thank you.

If it's just a few acres (100 or so - which would be about a day of drilling), I'd likely just plug in the hydraulics and go. I'd bump the hydraulic lever to keep pressure in the range as measured by the pressure gauge.

If the drill is set up with open center / closed center hydraulics, then just lock the hydru lever back and let it work as designed for constant pressure.

When I used the drill on my 1256, I had to bump the lever to keep the hydraulic pressue in the range on the gauge. It wasn't a big deal and worked . . ... .





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sparrell
Posted 2/16/2016 06:46 (#5114914 - in reply to #5114893)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



I've never used a 750 drill so please excuse me if my questions are overly basic. So do all 750 have a pressure gauge that tells you if you have enough pressure on the hyd. to keep the openers in the ground? Am I correct in assuming the hyd. pressure keeps the openers in the ground? Is that the point of the gauge? Can you see it from the tractors seat so you can adjust it on the go? What pressure range should they be kept at in the field? How often would I have to bump the lever to keep the proper pressure? Once a minute, once every 5 minutes? Any guess? Any pics of the gauge and where it needs to be run at?

How many remotes do most of those drills take? I only have two remotes on the tractor. I assume one remote to raise and lower the drill and one to keep pressure on the openers? After lifting, turning, and dropping the drill when turning on the headland, would one need to readjust the opener pressure too or does raising and dropping the drill not affect the opener pressure?

Thanks for your time.
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thefarmers
Posted 2/16/2016 07:04 (#5114945 - in reply to #5114914)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....


The same lever that raises and lowers the drill applies the pressure to keep the openers in the ground. If you have a closed center system, you just lock the lever in the lower position when you lower the drill at the end of the field. If you have open center hydraulics, you can't lock the lever down or it will ruin the hydraulics on the tractor because there is no place for the oil flow to go. The original early 750 drills just had a depth stop you set so it compressed the springs for down pressure. They could be used on an open center system. As far as bumping the lever, never tried that, but if you run it that way, the cylinder on the drill is never going to have any compression or extension to follow ground contours like it would running on a closed center system. If the openers run over a low spot, you will lose some downpressure. It basicly is running like the early 750's with the depth stop. I would think it would all depend on how well your hyd. valves seal as to the interval you would have to bump the lever. If they hold well, it might take a while to leak down.

Edited by thefarmers 2/16/2016 07:08
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Von WC Ohio
Posted 2/16/2016 09:29 (#5115295 - in reply to #5114914)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



Something to consider for running 750 drill on open center IH hydraulic system

This came from someone on Ag Talk originally so hope they will chime in and talk more about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjkDxacS5Ss

 Edit: Found the thread where it was discussed by K-Tech

http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=546445

I run on a JD closed center system. So I lower the drill and then lock the lever in constant down pressure with a lever lock clip this keeps constant hydraulic pressure on the openers over field variations and contours.

The gauge is normally mounted on the valve on the drill but I found it was too difficult to see /monitor what the pressure was. I made a remote gauge mount to put it up right outside the back window. (Did not want it inside in case there would ever be a leak. I  did not want high pressure oil spraying me and inside of cab) This way I can easily see it in lower corner of my rear view mirror to make sure I have pressure on the openers. The down pressure is still adjustable back on the valve on the drill though.

On the remotes I also only have 2 remotes but utilize a push pull valve to run 3 hydraulic functions. 1 outlet controls lifting drill and putting pressure on openers via the lever lock. The other outlet runs to a push pull valve. In the down position that runs the independent markers on the drill. When filling I pull the selector up and hold the lever in position in the tractor to run the hydraulic motor that powers the drill fill auger. Works great since you never need the markers and auger at the same time and avoids the need for coupling and uncoupling hydraulic connections in dirty conditions or needing another power unit in the field to power the drill fill auger with bulk seed.


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Kirks Ag Repair
Posted 2/16/2016 13:55 (#5115812 - in reply to #5115295)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



NW, OH (Wauseon)
Thanks for posting those links Von.

I just hooked a 1560 drill to a 1486 this afternoon. I recommend changing the hydraulic plumbing on any open center or CCLS (closed center load sensing) tractor. But not on pressure compensating systems. example. (Deere 4010, 4440- 4960) maybe some white tractors with closed center? Anybody know of other pressure compensating closed center tractors?
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djmranch
Posted 2/16/2016 09:59 (#5115353 - in reply to #5114914)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....


NW Minnesota
For what it is worth, I used to run my 750 on an open center hydraulic tractor. I put a pressure relief valve (500psi) inline with the pressure hose (the one pushing the openers down) and returned it to the return hose (the hose that pressurizes to lift the drill). I reduced the flow on this spool to minimize the oil overheating. I ran it for years like this and never had any problem. I adjusted the flow rate according to conditions. ie, higher flow when going through lots of ditches, and less flow on level ground.
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KevinBfromIllinois
Posted 2/16/2016 08:58 (#5115227 - in reply to #5114835)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....


RINGWOOD, IL
Question who is green drills company and how do they have a web site? Thanks.
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Jay NE Ohio
Posted 2/16/2016 07:54 (#5115070 - in reply to #5114806)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



northeastern Ohio
I did the same thing last year. Make sure to use lots of grease behind and on the new triple lip seal when assembling. The seal needs lubrication or it will wear out quickly.
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jd-tom
Posted 2/16/2016 09:51 (#5115340 - in reply to #5114806)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....



SW Minnesota
I had the same thought process when I got my 1850 no-till air drill last fall. I thought about switching all the closing wheels over to the newer style but with 48 openers on this unit and the prices we have for commodities right now, wasn't going to happen! I just replaced all the ones that needed it with the standard rebuild kit I got from Shoup. It's not that hard to do myself.

I do like the idea of sending my current cast wheels to Greendrills.com and have them cut into a notched wheel. I think that would do a better job of closing the seed slot in no-till conditions (after all, this IS a no-till drill), just like having spiked closing wheels on a corn planter in no-till conditions.

Edited by jd-tom 2/16/2016 09:59
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Jim
Posted 2/16/2016 11:32 (#5115535 - in reply to #5114806)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....


Driftless SW Wisconsin

As Jay points out, the grease is to keep the seal from wearing out, not to lube the sealed bearings. Adding a grease zerk to grease just inside the seal sounds like a good idea. Then periodically just purge grease out around the seal to drive dirt out.  Grease between the bearings will likely damage the sealed bearings.

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xralan
Posted 2/16/2016 12:55 (#5115709 - in reply to #5114806)
Subject: RE: 750 Drill experiment.....


73036
there's a much better way to fix that wheel design without a lot of cost. Remove the bearings out of the wheel. Get the same bearing that fits the gauge wheel (sh312132). clean the wheel very good. apply the best grade of loctite you can get to the outside of the bearing an inside of the hub. Then push, press bearing into wheel, an let dry. Get a 5/8" bolt 4 or 5" long(been quite a while since i have done this, so my dimensions may be off). remove the adapter bolt that originally comes on the drill, an throw away. (mine had all right hand threads, some have left hand threads. if you have the left hand threaded ones will need left hand threaded bolts, or maybe lh threaded all thread rod) Also get some freeze plugs maybe 1.75 or 2". Preferable deep cupped ones. Drill a 5/8" hole in the center of these. These will go over the outside of the newer stye bearing to keep the dirt, an water out. As these bearings are longer, they will be sticking out of the wheel hub maybe an 1/4". Use the old bearings for spacers, plus will need a few 5/8" washers as well to shim the wheel out where it needs to be. Wish i had a pic of it, to explain it better.

An improvement over this, is to machine the wheel hub in deeper, an add a snap ring. the snap ring would ensure the loctite didn't fail, letting the wheel fall off. Don't think it is necessary, but would be been a better design.
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