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GregChuckles

Posted 1/30/2016 22:22 (#5076033)
Subject: Multimin 90

Anyone using this injectable product? Looking at a bull sale that is a friend if mine and it appears that every animal gets a shot everytime it's ran through the chute (which is a lot) including at birth.

So I'm wondering if I'm missing something? Anyone having success with this?

Just curios being I have to run the cows through the chute again to booster Scourbos if I should be giving this or possibly at birth.

Reason I ask is my mineral consumption on corn stalks for the first time has been non exists my compared to feeding them in a confined lot.

buford

Posted 1/30/2016 22:26 (#5076041 - in reply to #5076033)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

That's a good question Greg. I gave every cow multi min about two yrs ago and skipped last year. I don't know if it did the cows any good or not. Hard to measure the effectiveness.

mobeefguy

Posted 1/30/2016 22:28 (#5076047 - in reply to #5076033)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

SwMo on Ks line

We use it before breeding, ET, and AI. Son in law uses it anytime calf is stressed also.

Speedy0888

Posted 1/30/2016 22:34 (#5076062 - in reply to #5076033)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

We use it on every load of calves that come
On our yard.

tc806

Posted 1/31/2016 01:10 (#5076182 - in reply to #5076062)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

Casey IL. ( I -70 ) then south on rt.49

We use it all the time on new born calves and new feeders coming in.
It is vitamins and no deferent than you taking your vitamins. just a help incase needed. not expensive.

Helland

Posted 1/31/2016 05:20 (#5076218 - in reply to #5076182)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

SE ND

How much do new born calves get, Is there a time frame they "need" it by. In cows I see pre breeding is common, how about pre calving? If you use free choice mineral, is it worth using in addition?

Fam-farm

Posted 1/31/2016 05:52 (#5076234 - in reply to #5076218)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

NE, NE

They used it at work for the first time last year on 35 replacement heifers for pre breeding. Still had one open this fall, but could have been other issues with her so not a big enough herd and time period to tell if it paid. Not trying to jack the thread, but have any of you saw a decrease in opens in the fall due to vaccinating pre breeding. I'd also like to try it as I seem to always have trouble with 2nd and 3rds getting bred on time with just free choice Purina mineral.

Think one shot runs $4-5 per cow a lot cheaper than an open cow on rented pasture.

Cowboss85

Posted 1/31/2016 07:40 (#5076341 - in reply to #5076234)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

SW MN

I've used it the last few years... Give it to cows and calves before they go to grass...Then booster it in the fall again on both...Does it make a difference? Results are hard to measure.. I also force feed mineral in ration and free choice when on grass...All I can say is very few opens this yr (like 5 outta 245 I believe) and I treated 0 calves after weaning.. I blame our weather, had some slick ice for awhile, on couple of opens...Was told that it takes few weeks for vaccine to soak it...I plan to keep using it in my vaccination program..

ahay68979

Posted 1/31/2016 07:45 (#5076357 - in reply to #5076341)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

Saronville NE

Give it to every animal on yard and give it to any animal we pull that we treat sick along with their draxxin or resflor gold shot. I have seen it turn cattle around that won't straighten up.

jodan

Posted 1/31/2016 08:13 (#5076428 - in reply to #5076357)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

Bardstown, Ky

Never used it in our cow/calf operation but we tried it in our backgrounding operation. As others have said it is hard to measure, but we didn't see enough difference to continue. We also force feed mineral in our ration.

garvo

Posted 1/31/2016 08:14 (#5076434 - in reply to #5076033)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

western iowa,by Denison

I'm going to be the guy that say's maybe-if your feed is well balanced you do not need it?Why?we fell down that one way street once on a set of calves and went about feeding vitiamins and minerals-along with my normal feed-overdid it and screwed the cattle up-lost 3 out of 100 before we figured it out and was 14 weeks before we got everything back to normal
you can overdue a good thing and end up with more problems then you started with-get your feed checked out with some lab reports so you know-lot of times your feed has a abundance of all those things you think your adding-theres no golden shot that can heal management and feed

MeadowlandsBeef

Posted 1/31/2016 08:35 (#5076487 - in reply to #5076434)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

Northern Minnesota

"theres no golden shot that can heal management and feed" - Garvo

I think that is a very good point. Especially when you realize many companies use the false assumption that there IS a "golden shot" to sell their "magic" product. Thanks

(That said, if you know some cattle have been poorly treated nutritionally and NEED zinc, manganese. copper and selenium rapidly, Multimin is a legitimate source....)

buckmaster

Posted 1/31/2016 09:04 (#5076554 - in reply to #5076434)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

I agree with you garvo. Check for minerals and see what you need.

Howdyjabo

Posted 1/31/2016 10:21 (#5076745 - in reply to #5076554)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

I think any cattle that are grazed on fescue or are "stressed" it helps. After that who knows.
We started using it on our backgrounding calves and there was a measurable improvement in gain in the first month. Gain in the first month goes hand in hand with health. Also noticed a measurable drop in "failure to thrives"(ie calves that are not sick, never were sick and still not gaining).

buckmaster

Posted 1/31/2016 12:47 (#5077027 - in reply to #5076745)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

I give the calves backgrounding mineral to, they do well on it but I wonder if it has more to do with the rumensin. But the beef cows will get mineral 6 weeks before calving mainly for the vitamins,copper and zinc . vitamin E is important for calving. Once they go to grass they get no more. The worst hay test this year(Kentucky Blue) was borderline low and phosphorus and about two times as much calcium as they need. I am not telling anyone to not use mineral but have your feed tested to know what you need.

Beefbiz

Posted 1/31/2016 13:02 (#5077067 - in reply to #5077027)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

all over Iowa

Forages may have good enough levels of Calcium and Phosphorus, but forages seldom if ever have sufficient quantities of trace minerals and vitamins.

garvo

Posted 1/31/2016 13:06 (#5077078 - in reply to #5077067)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

western iowa,by Denison

also depends Beefbiz how your hay ground is feed as far as fertilizer-wouldn't a feed test be the best to advise Greg to do first?

Beefbiz

Posted 1/31/2016 13:33 (#5077154 - in reply to #5077078)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

all over Iowa

A couple things would make me hesitate on that. Doing a full trace mineral and vitamin profile is very expensive, and doing it just once only tells you about that handful. Tests for major minerals are pretty accurate, but there is a pretty wide margin for error on trace minerals because they are in there in such small amounts. And even with high quality hay and regular testing, forages will still seldom if ever have the levels of TMs and vits that are high enough and in the proper ratios to each other.
Trace minerals don't cost that much, we could double the level of regular trace minerals in our balancer for a half cent per head per day, but we don't because it's not necessary.

garvo

Posted 1/31/2016 15:23 (#5077432 - in reply to #5077154)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

western iowa,by Denison

Beefbiz - 1/31/2016 13:33.
Trace minerals don't cost that much, we could double the level of regular trace minerals in our balancer for a half cent per head per day, but we don't because it's not necessary.

Maybe go off old industry tests and add as you see fit-1/2 cent a day is around $1.80 a year for xtra package that might be more then they need

buckmaster

Posted 1/31/2016 13:18 (#5077102 - in reply to #5077067)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

I agree with that Beefbiz thats why I feed mineral before calving and I have fed vitamin packs thrugh the TMR other years. and they get trace minerel salt year around. I don't know how much trace elements they get out of trace mineral salt thinking around 25% of there needs? Salt is the most important mineral there is do not go without salt.
But yes Gary test test test

Edited by buckmaster 1/31/2016 13:19

Beefbiz

Posted 1/31/2016 13:09 (#5077081 - in reply to #5076033)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

all over Iowa

MultiMin is a good product, but probably overused. Our vet recommends it on new born calves (because the dose is so low it is very cheap insurance ), and on other cattle with known problems or stresses, but not on a routine basis.
Receiving shipped in cattle could be a good place for it, but we're already giving them a stress supplement with very high levels of the same trace minerals and vits and it would only be extra cost.
I do have one client who killed three cows with it, he meant to give them a 150% dose to give them some extra insurance but then set the syringe wrong and gave them more like 300%. All three cows started staggering and dropped dead minutes after walking out of the chute.

puff33m

Posted 1/31/2016 19:28 (#5078067 - in reply to #5076033)
Subject: RE: Multimin 90

N FLA

I like to keep the cows that can perform without all the frills.

I don't mind high turnover rates though.

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