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apm1026
Posted 10/7/2015 20:19 (#4828358)
Subject: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


Cordele, GA
Never planted Alfalfa with a grain drill before, I'm going to pull the drop hoses off, let the seed spill out and cover/pack with Brillion double culti packer pulled in tandem. My question is
Should I remove the seed cup gates or leave them where they are /were for planting wheat?
Case 5100 drill.
Thanks
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John In Ontario
Posted 10/7/2015 20:24 (#4828373 - in reply to #4828358)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question



Ripley, Ontario Canada
You likely need the slow down drive sprocket if using the grain box, there was a small seed box available for them. Have never tried but if you have press wheels you can likely make the openers run shallow enough to just drop it in the rows. I plant large grass seed that way all the time, just blend with grain and go. Always get a stand. I would leave the cup as closed as possible like you do for wheat.
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apm1026
Posted 10/7/2015 20:32 (#4828401 - in reply to #4828373)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


Cordele, GA
Yes I do have the 14 sprocket drive in place , thanks
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4450
Posted 10/7/2015 20:43 (#4828418 - in reply to #4828358)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


Nc Ks.
I planted some alfalfa when I had my 5100 drill. Mine was a double disc model with the depth gauging press wheels. I would leave the seed tube on and set the gauge wheels for shallow depth, set for the desired pounds per acre and plant. Got good stands with that drill.
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classic 4010
Posted 10/7/2015 20:44 (#4828419 - in reply to #4828358)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


western iowa
I have a 5100 IH drill also. I have the small seed box on the front that I use when seeding alfalfa with it. I leave the tubes on but make sure they aren't plugged with a spider web. I have never used the back main box to seed alfalfa. I would think it would be very hard to get the proper amount on. The front little box is bad enough to get set.
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darylksu
Posted 10/7/2015 20:49 (#4828429 - in reply to #4828358)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


NE KS
We have a 5400 Drill and we use the big box for planting alfalfa. I kept the hoses installed. We get a good stand that way. If you plant many acres I think filling those small boxes in front would get old.
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apm1026
Posted 10/7/2015 20:54 (#4828440 - in reply to #4828429)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


Cordele, GA
I was thinking by removing the hoses , I would get more of a broad cast pattern rather than the 7.5 in spacing by hosing it down through the double disk openers , never planted Alfalfa before, reading and asking questions to learn, so thanks to all for the advise
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darylksu
Posted 10/7/2015 21:02 (#4828460 - in reply to #4828440)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


NE KS
Puling the brilliant packer may get your seed covered. All I have is the packing wheels to get my seed covered in the ground so in your case you could be ok. It doesn't take alfalfa long to cover the ground in a 7.5" row though either. I love reading this forum everyday to try to learn as much as possible.
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Dave9110
Posted 10/7/2015 21:03 (#4828464 - in reply to #4828440)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question



north-central Indiana west of Fulton
We used to do that way on a #10 IH drill and pulled a Brillon packer behind.
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WYDave
Posted 10/7/2015 21:35 (#4828553 - in reply to #4828358)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


Wyoming

I've planted alfalfa with both a 5100 drill and a Brillion Sure-Stand seeder.

Alfalfa needs a very shallow seeding depth, and how well and how consistently you get that depth will be the determining factor in how uniform a stand you get. The seeding rate for alfalfa should be 7 to 15 lbs per acre, which will mean your drill would be closed down pretty tightly. There's no way I could see seeding with a 510/5100/etc drill set for wheat, unless the alfalfa seed was coated with clay. I don't recommend buying coated seed. It's expensive and I never saw the advantage.

For me, the Brillion was a implement that needed a very well prepared seedbed. The top inch needs to be dry, but not too dry, or otherwise in more clay-type soils, the Brillion packers will load up with clay and it will just pick up your seed like a adhesive lint brush. With a Brillion, the field needs to be very level, or otherwise you end up with the Brillion bridging the low spots, leaving "puddles" where the seed isn't in good contact with the soil.

With the 5100, you need to turn down the rate, set the gearings, etc. In my soil in Nevada, I dragged a chain behind the drill to get some dirt over the seed in the shallow trenches the openers left behind. That worked in that sort of soil. YMMV.

The best drill I found for drilling in alfalfa was a Great Plains no-till drill. It resulted in by far the most consistent and uniform stand, with 6" opener spacing and individual closing wheels, it had the highest emergence rate of the 5100, Brillion, and air seeding.

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Two Hawk
Posted 10/7/2015 22:28 (#4828692 - in reply to #4828358)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


Southern Nevada desert
I've used a JD 450 end wheel drill for the last 18 years to seed all my alfalfa, I use the main box with a half speed drive, 6" space double disc openers with custom depth bands on each disc to control depth.
I aim for 18 lbs/acre, even with the 1/2 speed drive 1 notch is about 5 lbs/acre change. You really need to zero all the seed cups and make sure every thing is tight on the drill before hand to get an even stand, very small problems make a big change with large seed cups and fine seed.
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Trint
Posted 10/8/2015 07:34 (#4829020 - in reply to #4828358)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question



North Central OH
Leave the hoses on, our experience alfalfa comes up better in rows. You will need a half rate drive, leave the cups in the wheat notch, and close the drill down as much as you can. We have a hard time getting under 20lb with our 5100. Just run the openers with little to no pressure on them when you plant, the cultipacker will likely disturb you row anyways. How your down south it's too late here to plant.
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apm1026
Posted 10/8/2015 19:12 (#4829896 - in reply to #4829020)
Subject: RE: Seeding Alfalfa with Box Grain Drill Question


Cordele, GA
Thanks for all the advise, I feel better about what I thought I knew, and learned some of what I didn't know. Yes I am in south GA , our target planting date is anytime in October.
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