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golfnut
Posted 10/3/2015 20:17 (#4821793)
Subject: Cat C12 loosing prime/running rough after starting



Central Nebraska

I've got an '02 Freightliner Columbia with a C12 in it.  It has 510,000 miles on it.  I put a boatload of money into little nickel and dime things this Spring and ever since then I've had issues with it.  When I start it in the morning, or after it has set for an hour or two, doesn't run right.  It will idle just fine but when I try to accelerate it will sputter and blow white smoke.  After 10-20 seconds (occasionally longer) it will start firing on all cylinders and run fine until the next shut down.  Also, it doesn't do it every time.  Probably 75%.

It started after I had them repair the engine brake.  If I recall they replaced the injector harness (sounds suspicious?).  I took it back and they said the hand pump was leaking and I was loosing prime so they replaced it and it ran fine when I took it home.  Dad drove it this summer with the tender trailer and I did some too and I got preoccupied with spraying that I forgot about it.  Now it seems to be getting worse.  What will they find when I take it back in?

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Scheller Farms
Posted 10/3/2015 20:51 (#4821886 - in reply to #4821793)
Subject: RE: Cat C12 loosing prime/running rough after starting


There are check valves in the filter base that are leaking fuel back. They unscrew as a unit and install new ones. If that doesn't fix it some have a check valve to hold fuel psi in the head on the rear of the head. May be leaking by. See if that helps you out!
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4WD
Posted 10/3/2015 21:29 (#4821980 - in reply to #4821793)
Subject: RE: Cat C12 loosing prime/running rough after starting


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

golfnut - 10/3/2015 20:17

I've got an '02 Freightliner Columbia with a C12 in it.  It has 510,000 miles on it.  I put a boatload of money into little nickel and dime things this Spring and ever since then I've had issues with it.  When I start it in the morning, or after it has set for an hour or two, doesn't run right.  It will idle just fine but when I try to accelerate it will sputter and blow white smoke.  After 10-20 seconds (occasionally longer) it will start firing on all cylinders and run fine until the next shut down.  Also, it doesn't do it every time.  Probably 75%.

It started after I had them repair the engine brake.  If I recall they replaced the injector harness (sounds suspicious?).  I took it back and they said the hand pump was leaking and I was loosing prime so they replaced it and it ran fine when I took it home.  Dad drove it this summer with the tender trailer and I did some too and I got preoccupied with spraying that I forgot about it.  Now it seems to be getting worse.  What will they find when I take it back in?

 

Your mechanics need to get some sight glasses on the fuel "supply" and fuel "return" lines and see "WHERE" air is getting into the fuel system and trouble-shoot from there.

Yes, there is a possibility that you might have a problem with "fuel return check valve" (# 5 in photo) but normally a fuel pressure test will determine if that tends to be the culprit (meaning with a mechanic's mechanical fuel pressure gauge installed, and run engine; then shut off engine, then fuel pressure "should be" trapped (=if you have a good fuel return check valve AND a good fuel hand priming pump) The trapped fuel pressure will probably read at least 50 psi; with engine just being shutdown. {If it drops immediately to 0 psi, then try a new fuel return check valve(#5) and retest.

 





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Bigboyfloyd
Posted 10/4/2015 06:52 (#4822295 - in reply to #4821793)
Subject: RE: Cat C12 loosing prime/running rough after starting


SW Michigan
The C12 in our lexion 585r was doing that and it was a bad fuel lift pump, I think that's what it was called anyway. Mounted on front bottom side of motor.
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