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1stgenfarmer
Posted 9/27/2015 06:15 (#4810576)
Subject: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?



SW Michigan
I suppose everybody else knows the answer to this one, but what is the difference? I have a 4620 w/PS, so I know how that works. How does the quad range work? Thanks.
DAN
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Red/Green
Posted 9/27/2015 06:21 (#4810581 - in reply to #4810576)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


Elizabethtown,KY
Quad has 2 levers, right has 4 ranges, left has 2 ranges that have 2 powers shifts each for 16 speeds.
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copper105
Posted 9/27/2015 06:38 (#4810598 - in reply to #4810576)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


NE Illinois
4620 did not have a quad range only powershift or syncro.
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Hay Hud Ohio
Posted 9/27/2015 06:46 (#4810606 - in reply to #4810576)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?



SW Ohio
add power quad, four ranges with with four no clutch shifts in each range(five ranges if it has "e") and PS come in 8,15, and 18? and IVT, CVT, it gets confusing....
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4450
Posted 9/27/2015 06:51 (#4810618 - in reply to #4810606)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


Nc Ks.
Have run the four transmissions over my years of farming, syncro, 8spd. powershift, 15spd. powershift, and 16spd. powerquad. Of those four my favorite is the powerquad. Shifts smooth through all the ranges, and direction reverser in each gear is nice.
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1stgenfarmer
Posted 9/27/2015 06:59 (#4810626 - in reply to #4810606)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?



SW Michigan
So...quad shifts w/o clutch between gears, or between ranges, or when do you use clutch?
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Indianajones
Posted 9/27/2015 07:13 (#4810652 - in reply to #4810626)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?



Quad range shifts between 1-2 or 3-4 without clutch.
2-3 or range shifts require clutch.
INDY
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rambo
Posted 9/27/2015 07:19 (#4810662 - in reply to #4810626)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?



Remsen, Iowa

This is on a Deere 30,40, 50, 55 series quad shift. One lever has 4 gears labeled A< B< C< D and Park. Must use clutch any time moving this lever.  The second lever is labeled R1, R2 1, 2, N, 3, 4.  No clutch needed when shifting between 1-2 any direction or 3-4 any direction or R1-R2 any direction. Must use clutch when going between 2-3 which is between the N and also any time you shift to R1.



Edited by rambo 9/27/2015 07:20
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45Deere9670
Posted 9/27/2015 07:33 (#4810686 - in reply to #4810662)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


St. Joseph, Champaign County, IL
Would add to the above, you're supposed to be stopped, no movement of the tractor, when shifting between any of the ranges, and use the clutch. Some persons say they can shift the ranges while moving without causing any damage. I'm not saying they can't, but that's not how it's supposed to be done according to Deere. To shift through neutral, when going from 2nd gear to 3rd gear (or 3rd to 2nd), you use the clutch, but the tractor can be in motion.

In essence, you select the range you want for the task at hand while the tractor is sitting still. You then can shift between any of the 4 forward gears (or 2 reverse gears) in each of the 4 ranges, while the tractor is moving. Can't shift between forward and reverse without stopping the tractor, though.

Reverse gears aren't available in D range.
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Timd3200
Posted 9/27/2015 10:08 (#4810998 - in reply to #4810686)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


SoCenIL
A JD mechanic told me if you want your quad range to last, make sure you are not moving and use clutch when shifting between ranges.
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45Deere9670
Posted 9/27/2015 10:38 (#4811058 - in reply to #4810998)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


St. Joseph, Champaign County, IL
I've always stopped it, when shifting ranges. I just hear/ read of others who say they do otherwise and cause no problems.
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oldiowa
Posted 9/27/2015 07:58 (#4810735 - in reply to #4810662)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


waterloo iowa
Had a 4450 with quad range years ago,worked well but on the road their were times when it jumped pretty bad when shifting up.It is probably the simplest transmission out there.seemed pretty reliable
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TP from Central PA
Posted 9/27/2015 08:36 (#4810800 - in reply to #4810735)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


IMO the quad is the dumbest transmission ever, rip off and duplication of the idea of the TA setup IH used that didn't powershift as smooth on the Deere. Can't shift ranges without stopping was moronic IMO. I personally don't think JD had a well functioning transmission until the 15 spd powershift........
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45Deere9670
Posted 9/27/2015 10:39 (#4811060 - in reply to #4810800)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


St. Joseph, Champaign County, IL
At least you can get it out of park without acting like you're trying to break the handle, like on the 1086 we used to have! Oh, and at least you had a choice of transmissions too, unlike IH!
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fpr2006
Posted 9/27/2015 13:47 (#4811322 - in reply to #4810800)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


SW Minnesota
You could not have run both tractors. The 86 transmision was awful to shift we ran it on loader for a year or so becuase the 1586 had a heavy front end, The 4430 was way nicer shfting and a lot less trouible when it had a loader. This was back when both tractors eren't very old.
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Franz
Posted 9/27/2015 15:32 (#4811485 - in reply to #4810800)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


Ohio
TP from Central PA - 9/27/2015 09:36

IMO the quad is the dumbest transmission ever, rip off and duplication of the idea of the TA setup IH used that didn't powershift as smooth on the Deere. Can't shift ranges without stopping was moronic IMO. I personally don't think JD had a well functioning transmission until the 15 spd powershift........


Ha...at least with the quad I have 4 gears I can change without having to be stopped or listen to them grind. IH had 4 gears with a hi/lo and ta in each gear...to change anything but the TA you were supposed to be stopped. I believe Deere also had planetary finals instead of bull gears...oh...and closed center hydraulics and a good cab. Need I go on?
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1stgenfarmer
Posted 9/27/2015 08:38 (#4810808 - in reply to #4810735)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?



SW Michigan
So, if I'm understanding right, quad gives you twice as many gears as a PS , but requires some clutching? So was the quad a replacement for power shift?


edit:
If I'm used to the Power shift and upgrade to a 30,40,or 50 series, what is the equivalent? Or am I just confused.....>-)

Edited by 1stgenfarmer 9/27/2015 08:43
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twraska
Posted 9/27/2015 08:47 (#4810833 - in reply to #4810808)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


Wallis, TX

Just think of the quad as adding a two speed, shift on the go unit in front of a syncrorange.  Like a TA on a red tractor but not as big of speed change.  The other thing is the gears don't 'lay out nice'  C1 is between B1 & B2,  B4 is between C 3 & C4 etc.

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Buster 50
Posted 9/27/2015 09:01 (#4810866 - in reply to #4810808)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?



North West IA/western AZ
1stgenfarmer - 9/27/2015 08:38

So, if I'm understanding right, quad gives you twice as many gears as a PS , but requires some clutching? So was the quad a replacement for power shift?


edit:
If I'm used to the Power shift and upgrade to a 30,40,or 50 series, what is the equivalent? Or am I just confused.....>-)


PS remained 8 speed until the 50 series. The quad gave more choice of ground speed during the 30 and 40 series.
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PatCMO
Posted 9/27/2015 10:28 (#4811038 - in reply to #4810576)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


Pilot Grove, Missouri
I'm pretty sure the quad range is just the 8speed syncro with a 2 speed. Patrick
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Hampton
Posted 9/27/2015 12:36 (#4811212 - in reply to #4810576)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


If I remember right, when parked headed down hill, you need to back up a bit first on the quad range to go forward. Opposite if parked headed uphill. I think there was a pic of this near the shifters.
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4450
Posted 9/27/2015 13:38 (#4811308 - in reply to #4811212)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


Nc Ks.
Yep. Until you figured out how to do it, it could be a pain. That's what I like about the newer powerquad over the quadrange. Don't have issues getting it out of park plus the gears are more in order of speed vs. the old quad range B1 to C1 to B2 to C2. Also an above post referred to the jerk during shifting the higher gear of the quad range. My 15 speed powershift will do that also from 14 to 15. I think it's just because of the greater difference in speed between the two gears and they didn't have whatever the newer transmissions have that nullify that.
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hwdcne
Posted 9/27/2015 15:56 (#4811511 - in reply to #4811308)
Subject: RE: Stupid question: Quad range vs. Powershift?


Soutwest Ks.

I had a 4440 with quad range that I purchased new.  I found it to be an awkward transmission even tho there were more gears.  Much of the time I wound up running in C1 and the reverse in that range is too fast to back up if you need it at the end of the field and no way of shifting down also approaching the end of a field.  I did learn however to shift on the go between ranges using a foot throttle and no clutch, but that wouldn't work if there was much of a load. Used it that way on a grain kart for several years with a straight pipe and shifting it like an over the road truck.  Was fun at times, but to teach any hired help to do that was hopeless!  A powershift trans or even the synchro range were better choices.

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