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harvstr
Posted 2/10/2015 14:02 (#4376662)
Subject: Your thoughts on this shop plan


I'm looking to build a new shop in the near future and would like your opinions on how I have this laid out. The shop is 78' wide and 64' long with 20' ceilings. It has three overhead doors, 24'x18' on the East and West end and a 18'x18' on the North end. The Southwest quarter of the floor will be sloped to a drain that runs in about 30' long that is in the center line of the West door. Northwest corner of the shop is a welding/fabrication area & the air compressor is located on the SW corner enclosed in a box that can be lifed to service the compressor. Storage area would be added above the offices with ability to add stairs along the East wall if needed.





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Indianajones
Posted 2/10/2015 14:26 (#4376691 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



No way I would put in 3 doors. Lose too much working space having to keep the driveways open.
Just my $.02
INDY
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harvstr
Posted 2/10/2015 14:40 (#4376711 - in reply to #4376691)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


I agree on adding three doors. However, I'd rather add them in and not use them all of the time rather than wish I had a door in that wall in the future. I may scale the 18' door down to a smaller automotive size door, but the other two 24' doors have to stay. I've been in a shop with a similar design and three doors is nice, but it's a little overkill.
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repairman
Posted 2/10/2015 14:26 (#4376692 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



South Dakota

To give you my $.02 worth. The 1st thing I seen is, I would for a door from my office to the conference room or is that a breakroom? The 2nd thing I see is the pickup comes in to the big door and in my opinion that would lose a more heat in the winter so for that reason I would add a smaller overhead door on the east. I would also consider taking the offices breakroom/conference room, bathroom and laundry room and make it a lean to to the north.

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mindeere
Posted 2/10/2015 15:06 (#4376750 - in reply to #4376692)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


SW Minnesota
I agree about for lean idea.... I don't see a point in wasting floor space in a 16-20ft high building with that stuff. If I ever get to remodel our 64x54 shop I will add leans on both sides and get the main area completely opened up. If you need a loft buy pallet racking instead, huge space saver.
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mindeere
Posted 2/10/2015 15:12 (#4376764 - in reply to #4376750)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


SW Minnesota
My dream for the leans here is office/bathroom, and then the main work bench, press metal working, parts/tools in them and the main building totally empty with exception of the jib and a couple rolling work benches/chests.
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hobby farmer IN
Posted 2/10/2015 14:27 (#4376694 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



Northeast Indiana
Do you have room to pull your planter in and leave it hooked to the tractor with all doors shut? Can you pull a semi and trailer in hooked together and shut both doors?

Just a couple things to keep in mind that, if you have the room to expand the building, might make repairs in the future much easier. Otherwise the layout looks pretty sweet! What kind of program did you use to get the layout?
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harvstr
Posted 2/10/2015 14:36 (#4376706 - in reply to #4376694)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Used this website. Pretty handy as they have machinery pre loaded into the website.

http://fbi.icovia.com/icovia.aspx#Page #1

78' should be enough for what we use it for. We don't have to worry about semi's or anything larger than 36' long.
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hobby farmer IN
Posted 2/10/2015 15:27 (#4376781 - in reply to #4376706)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



Northeast Indiana
harvstr - 2/10/2015 15:36

Used this website. Pretty handy as they have machinery pre loaded into the website.

http://fbi.icovia.com/icovia.aspx#Page #1

78' should be enough for what we use it for. We don't have to worry about semi's or anything larger than 36' long.


Thanks for the link, looks like a pretty handy site.
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hinfarm
Posted 2/10/2015 15:52 (#4376808 - in reply to #4376706)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



Amherst WI
harvstr - 2/10/2015 13:36

78' should be enough for what we use it for. We don't have to worry about semi's or anything larger than 36' long.


For now...

There were a lot of sheds/shops built and guy never thought they would get a bigger combine than a 7720 or a tandem and now they don't have space to work on it or they had to rebuild.
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gthompson97
Posted 2/10/2015 14:32 (#4376699 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



NE ND
We built a 72x96 and have a 20' bay on the north end so the shop "working area" is technically 72x76 but by the time you get work benches, toolboxes, welder, drill press, etc etc all set up you lose another 10-15 feet. The wider you can go, the happier you will be.
Put your office/breakroom/bathroom/etc in a building attached to the shop....don't take up shop space if you don't have to. I wish we would have left our shop one big open area instead of having a separate bay for the breakroom/bathroom/office/storage.

I also wouldn't put all those big doors in.....you don't need that many of them. I know this would be complete overkill for you, but we put a 50' bifold on our south wall and a 20' just off-center on the east wall and we use the 20' door MUCH MUCH more than we ever think about using the bi-fold. We built the roll-up just big enough to get the combine (without header obviously), 4wd, and MFD with triples on, so we don't need to open the big door just to bring a piece in or out.

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whistle pig
Posted 2/10/2015 14:43 (#4376718 - in reply to #4376699)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


SE MN
gthompson97 - 2/10/2015 14:32


Put your office/breakroom/bathroom/etc in a building attached to the shop....don't take up shop space if you don't have to. I wish we would have left our shop one big open area instead of having a separate bay for the breakroom/bathroom/office/storage.


+1

Shop space is too valuable.
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harvstr
Posted 2/10/2015 14:46 (#4376721 - in reply to #4376699)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Adding the offices on the outside is really what I would like to do as well, but I think it will cost too much. Neighbor added two offices, entry way and a large break/conference room to a shop and it was an extra 120k. For that price, I don't think I can add the offices externally. What have you guys experienced as far as cost to add an exterior office and keep the shop open?
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gthompson97
Posted 2/10/2015 14:51 (#4376730 - in reply to #4376721)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



NE ND
harvstr - 2/10/2015 13:46

Adding the offices on the outside is really what I would like to do as well, but I think it will cost too much. Neighbor added two offices, entry way and a large break/conference room to a shop and it was an extra 120k. For that price, I don't think I can add the offices externally. What have you guys experienced as far as cost to add an exterior office and keep the shop open?


For me at the time it was an extra added cost like you, but just 3 years down the road I'm thinking that if we ever add-on...the only way to go is where the office and everything is. Which means tearing them out and putting them somewhere else anyways. It may cost a little more, but in the long run I think you'll be much happier with the offices not "in" the shop.
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mindeere
Posted 2/10/2015 15:09 (#4376756 - in reply to #4376721)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


SW Minnesota
Have them build the shop, you can build the lean yourself later for the office stuff.
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jtpfarm
Posted 2/10/2015 15:36 (#4376790 - in reply to #4376721)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


mn
Consider the cost of your office complex inside vs outside. From what you have pictured, it's basically a small house. The finishings is what adds up. If you take exactly what you have planned and move it outside, you extra cost should only be cement, roofing, and sidewall steel. I built a 15x20 office as a lean (did all the labor myself) and it cost $6500 all finished. I bet the difference inside vs out wouldn't be as bad as you think.

I don't know how big your operation is, but SERIOUSLY consider if you will actually use all the separate rooms you have planned. I have seen many shops built with all these extra rooms and all that gets used is the office itself. Not saying you shouldn't put them in but just take a long look at if they will get used enough to justify.

Also noticed in one corner you have a bench on the wall with an island in front of it. What I have found when this is done is the island gets used all the time while the wall bench behind it just accumulates stuff or just sits empty. The walk around bench is the best kind to have, but I would consider floor storage space behind it. For welder, torch, press or whatever.

Just my thoughts.
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jasonl
Posted 2/10/2015 15:40 (#4376794 - in reply to #4376721)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


midwest

You are right on the cost.  I added a 12x20 lean onto my 66x90 shop when I built it, the builder told me not to because of expense, but I did it anyway, big mistake I could have added 20+ feet onto the back of the 66 foot wide shop for the same money, I'm an idiot!  The building could have been 66x110, oh well.

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rangaf
Posted 2/10/2015 19:10 (#4377204 - in reply to #4376721)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



Minneota, MN
$120,000 for two offices, entry and break room for a shop? Come on, there's a lot more going on for $120K there than just a couple offices and a breakroom!!!
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Keith Mudd
Posted 2/10/2015 22:10 (#4377754 - in reply to #4377204)
Subject: No Duh!


Monroe City, MO

That would build a 1000 square foot house. Pretty spiffy office. I built a 24x18 bumped out of my shop. Spent too much but nowhere near $120 a square foot.

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1000 moline
Posted 2/10/2015 16:42 (#4376890 - in reply to #4376699)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


South Eastern ,ILL
Absolutely agree. Don't use your valuable shop floor space for an
office or break/bathroom. Add a office to the outside connected to the shop.
You will be glad you did, I really enjoy mine on the outside of the shop.
I have put pictures of mine while being built & finished project. 16' x 32 '
office and break room. As far as the doors,
I put in a Hydro-Swing 44' door on the end. I have wished
countless times I would have put in a 30' Hydro-Swing & a 14' overhead.
Reason : if I want to pull a semi or pickup in I could just raise the 14' er.

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FF-Feeders
Posted 3/27/2015 15:19 (#4480618 - in reply to #4376890)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



w ontario

This is a nice layout.

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Bruised Spud
Posted 2/11/2015 20:57 (#4379859 - in reply to #4376699)
Subject: nt


Chaffee, Western New York
Nt
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GarageGuy
Posted 2/10/2015 14:45 (#4376719 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


South Central Wisconsin
Is that a dog or a coon laying by the office door ? If it was my layout, I would want to have the ability to go from the offices to the conference/ break room and the restroom without entering the shop. If you have a salesman or a potential landlord in your office, you may want a little more privacy.
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harvstr
Posted 2/10/2015 14:49 (#4376724 - in reply to #4376719)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


GarageGuy - 2/10/2015 14:45

Is that a dog or a coon laying by the office door ? If it was my layout, I would want to have the ability to go from the offices to the conference/ break room and the restroom without entering the shop. If you have a salesman or a potential landlord in your office, you may want a little more privacy.


It's a dog, threw it in there for fun. I really hope this shop doesn't get coons. You guys bring up some really good points & I look forward to changing some stuff around to make more sense.
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Five Lock Boll
Posted 2/10/2015 18:01 (#4377032 - in reply to #4376724)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Northeast Louisiana
No input on the shop, but the dog made me laugh out loud.
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jalopy
Posted 2/10/2015 18:23 (#4377083 - in reply to #4377032)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


NC IA
Five Lock Boll - 2/10/2015 17:01

No input on the shop, but the dog made me laugh out loud.


Me too, I was just getting ready to say he could gain 5 sq-ft by cleaning up the road-kill!
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jonas grumby
Posted 2/10/2015 14:45 (#4376720 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Northern Illinois
I would agree with the others who said to put the offices and other rooms in an attached building. I would have a seperate doorway for them also. I had an office in the shop but for me I was not able to keep the dust out of any electronics the way you are set up.
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LAL
Posted 2/10/2015 15:11 (#4376762 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


oxford county, ontario
I like your design, alot! Up here we run longer trucks, so I would go 5 - 6 ft longer so we could bring our truck and B-trains in all at once. Our offices are inside, like your design, and the only complaint I have is the dust! Doesn't matter how hard I try we can't seem to keep the offices sealed up enough to keep the dust out! Just my 2 cents!!
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combinejockey
Posted 2/10/2015 15:12 (#4376763 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Way too cost prohibitive to put offices in a lean outside the shop..way way cheaper to just make the shop bigger and leave them inside. Been there done that!!!! You could make the shop easily a third to half larger for what moving the offices outside would cost.
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iseedit
Posted 2/10/2015 16:24 (#4376863 - in reply to #4376763)
Subject: RE: Yes, Lean too structures are the most expensive structure ~



central - east central Minnesota -

combinejockey - 2/10/2015 15:12 Way too cost prohibitive to put offices in a lean outside the shop..way way cheaper to just make the shop bigger and leave them inside. Been there done that!!!! You could make the shop easily a third to half larger for what moving the offices outside would cost.

Yup . ..  . sq footage wise, lean too's are the most expensive structures . . . .Two outside walls/roofs are more expensive then one outside wall/roof ~

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redwngr
Posted 2/10/2015 17:42 (#4376995 - in reply to #4376863)
Subject: +3


SW Ont
You are buying the roof and floor anyway.

Put the office/breakroom etc in the tall area and then you can have storage above.
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paul the original
Posted 2/10/2015 15:19 (#4376772 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


southern MN
I'd try to make one of those end wall doors a little wider, its tough to get 8 row equipment through a 24 foot door, which often finishes out at 23-1/2 feet actually.

Seems like a lot of office space there, sure uses up floor space, as others say move that into a lean to for that much room used.

Paul
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senorthdakota
Posted 2/10/2015 15:32 (#4376786 - in reply to #4376772)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


I would want a 40 ft bifold on one end an 24 on other.
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NEILFarmer
Posted 2/10/2015 15:34 (#4376787 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Morris, IL
I like it a lot, but i have few suggestions.

Is the north the natural entry for any visitors? If so i would move the offices south 4' and put a 4' hallway/entry way in. Everyone enter their and keep the dust, dirt, and cold there, then enter into the office you want or into the shop. Consider a urinal in the bath room. If you put a loft above the offices i think your doing great way you have building laid out.

Depending on how you want things i would maybe consider moving the welding area to the south of offices and more mechanics area where welding area is. That way you could leave all the area flat with no drain. Personally i would drain the entire 24x80' door to door area thinking of semis and such but i notice you say never any semis, don't know how you get away with that with three combines but more power to you. That is just me and everyone has different ideas and such.



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harvstr
Posted 2/10/2015 15:48 (#4376801 - in reply to #4376787)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


NEILFarmer - 2/10/2015 15:34

I like it a lot, but i have few suggestions.

Is the north the natural entry for any visitors? If so i would move the offices south 4' and put a 4' hallway/entry way in. Everyone enter their and keep the dust, dirt, and cold there, then enter into the office you want or into the shop. Consider a urinal in the bath room. If you put a loft above the offices i think your doing great way you have building laid out.

Depending on how you want things i would maybe consider moving the welding area to the south of offices and more mechanics are where welding area is. That way you could leave all the area flat with no drain. Personally i would drain the entire 24x80' door to door area thinking of semis and such but i notice you say never any semis, don't know how you get away with that with three combines but more power to you. That is just me and everyone has different ideas and such.



I like the idea for a hallway. Urinal is a must and I almost forgot about it! All suggestions are great and taking them all into consideration. I think the biggest challenge now will be swinging exterior offices or adding a hallway to seperate the offices from the dust from the shop.

The combines were just placed in there for size reference. No way do we have three combines. We have a unique situation where we do some light mechanical work & fabrication and don't need anything larger than a 24' door, but definately need the height. I should of made it more clear that this isn't an active farming shop design where I would absolutely add a 40'+ door. I do enjoy reading what you guys have learned from and hope that all your suggestions generate a NAT approved design.
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NEILFarmer
Posted 2/10/2015 16:03 (#4376830 - in reply to #4376801)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Morris, IL
Like few above as well as yourself have said, adding another 15-20 on the end of a building will be much cheaper then side building for office. If you make use of area above for well organized storage if would add more shop area before i did side building.

Personally i think 24x18' is great. We have a 24x15, wish it was 24x16 at least, i'm fine with the 24'. We can run out 22' platform in the door if you have someone to guide you in. I backed our 20' head in alone few times and that was with an offset 7720 cab, think it would be easier with modern center cab.

I know you make it sound like no semi ever, i sure would not rule that out. And if you have a semi that you use in the winter your going to want to wash it in the warm shop. If you haul to elevator all fall and park it other 10 month of the year maybe not that big of a deal but to me it is huge and we kind of screwed up with only 64' to bring it in.

You did a great shop laying out the floor plan, take the same amount of time laying out electrical, water, and air systems. I'd sure consider floor heat for sure. With shop that large consider a few conduit runs under the floor.
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Papa Gene
Posted 2/10/2015 15:49 (#4376803 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


SE SD
Don't know where you're at, what your site looks like and what all you work on, but...

Here the best side for a door is the south side. This time of year north doors suck. It looks like your north door is on an eve side of the building...looks like an ice nightmare.

I like a 40 ft or bigger door. Heads can be on the combine. Some stuff can be already unfolded when backed in. And it's essentially like having two doors together as far as work bays go.

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olwhda
Posted 2/10/2015 16:09 (#4376838 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Liberty, MO
Do you need tie downs set in the floor for use some time, neighborhood shop has them, but I would set them below floor lever and make metal covers for them when not using them, this way your creeper will be able to work over them a lot easier.

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bdkalt
Posted 2/10/2015 16:18 (#4376856 - in reply to #4376838)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


sd
I haven't read through the comments other than the first one. I would keep 3 doors. with that size of shop your always going to be wanting to take something out where you cant. More options is absolutely better. Doors help utilize space. My whole south side of my shop are doors with 1 big hydraulic and 1 over head. Then have an overhead on the west side. Many times when I need something in the shop I can come in the west door and position of such to make the space most usable. The down side is they aren't as energy efficient as just being a wall. If we had to do if over again I think we would look more at the double overhead doors with a removable post in the center, instead of a hydraulic door.
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1DH
Posted 2/10/2015 17:15 (#4376939 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


swia
I had a loft once, never again, maybe in cold storage.
If you are going to have two work areas than you about need two of everything in each.
Be nice to get air compressor out of shop.
In summer I think you would like some openings to th south.
Good luck
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harvstr
Posted 2/11/2015 11:09 (#4378636 - in reply to #4376939)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


1DH - 2/10/2015 17:15

I had a loft once, never again, maybe in cold storage.
If you are going to have two work areas than you about need two of everything in each.
Be nice to get air compressor out of shop.
In summer I think you would like some openings to th south.
Good luck


The orientation of the building is yet to be determined, I put the compass on the design so we could better discuss the plan. However, you guys bring up great points about not putting a door on the North side and placing it to the South. That's the stuff that I haven't even considered yet.
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KDD
Posted 2/10/2015 18:15 (#4377062 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



Leesburg, Ohio
Your plan very much like ours. We have 34' hydro door on your east end (our south end). No door on your west end (our north end). Door on your north end (our east) is only 14x14, and I wish it was 16' wide.

You have a lot of "dead" space beside your east door that could be used for wider equipment or multiple items to enter side by side with a bigger door.

Your offices/utility space is similar to ours. I would make the office space a bit bigger, or eliminate a dividing wall between rooms. Our office is about your size, and it is too small.
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Oakwood
Posted 2/10/2015 18:45 (#4377139 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Manitoba
your smaller doors are 18 ft high so if you stick with that height my suggestion won't matter but............... if you go with shorter doors make sure you specify high lift kits (think that's what they are called) they make the tracks from shorter doors go up to the ceiling before going horizontal so you don't lose ceiling height. I have 3 doors in our 20' high ceiling shop as well. the big door is 18' height and is no problem but the 2 smaller doors are 16' height and although I was under the impression it was understood that the doors were to have the tracks up at the ceiling the doors put in had them a few feet down from the ceiling. going through the expense to have the ceiling height and then having that height become useless since the door tracks were in the way is a waste. and retrofitting costs the same as another door or close to it.

that's one spot I screwed up on and thought I should mention it. just in case.

and also I would have the concrete guys guarantee that if the floor does not drain as planned, that it will be their cost to rip it all out again and start over. I have a section where it does not. probably not going to be a big deal but when you pay for a shop to be put up it might as well be perfect. and if they know its their headache and cost if its not perfect they will make sure it is.
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tw35
Posted 2/10/2015 18:53 (#4377167 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Clarke county, IA
I'd extend the shop 10' further to the south and bring the roof height down, use this area to put your tools to leave more work area.
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frmerndel
Posted 2/10/2015 19:59 (#4377329 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Lean-to's are very very expensive square footage. Echoing what some others have mentioned only because after 20 years and 3 years doing some hard core homework and sitting down and quoting with three builders. Lean-to's are a last resort and the only way I would do one is if I did it myself.
Adding length to the building is way way cheaper and your already doing it. Utilize the space over the office etc very valuable space. Personally I would put one big door in, 24' sounds big but in today's day in age.... The drive through theme is spot on, no jam ups and good access.
My best advise I can give is get some wood stakes or grade pins, marker paint, string and lay it out in real life. Is it a pain..... Is it time consumeing...... Yes. But it's cheap..... Get your wife, son, daughter, neighbor etc... Woant take long. Pull some equipment in the box and try it on for size.
And don't get in a hurry..... And don't hesitate to ask ALOT of questions on ag talk.... Lots of great shop and building advice on here.
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oldbones
Posted 2/10/2015 20:02 (#4377338 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



Floyd County, Iowa
Not gonna comment on the size of the shop space, other than I never had one of my customers come back and say he wished he had made it smaller.........
One thing I will comment on is that those little rooms are going to be real cozy. You need more room in each of the office and conference rooms to be comfortably functional. Restroom and laundry would get by, with a little re-arranging, but when sitting in those chairs, your backs will be against the walls and you'll be playing footsies.
If the person sitting by the window in the conference room has to take a leak, everybody will have to get up and walk out to give him room to get out.
my 2 cents
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harvstr
Posted 2/11/2015 10:08 (#4378525 - in reply to #4377338)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


oldbones - 2/10/2015 20:02

Not gonna comment on the size of the shop space, other than I never had one of my customers come back and say he wished he had made it smaller.........
One thing I will comment on is that those little rooms are going to be real cozy. You need more room in each of the office and conference rooms to be comfortably functional. Restroom and laundry would get by, with a little re-arranging, but when sitting in those chairs, your backs will be against the walls and you'll be playing footsies.
If the person sitting by the window in the conference room has to take a leak, everybody will have to get up and walk out to give him room to get out.
my 2 cents


Very good points here. I made the offices as small as possible to keep the most shop space I could. Definately need two offices and a conference/break room so I'll be making them larger when I make a plan with external offices.
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801486
Posted 2/10/2015 20:28 (#4377445 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


west central Iowa
I have priced buildings and a friend of mine put one up and a full height lean-to was significantly cheaper per square foot than the the main building so I think a lower height lean-to for an office would be cheaper yet. Somebody else's point about keeping dust out of electronics is another point in favor of a lean-to. Just looking at Menard's website it looks like a building with a lean-to is a couple dollars per square foot cheaper than one without. That might not include wall steel between the main building and the lean-to, but it full 16' height and you wouldn't need that for an office.
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BrentOntario
Posted 2/10/2015 20:46 (#4377512 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan



I think you would find it very handy to add a urinal and washup sink outside the washroom, to keep the floor cleaner from workboots shuffling in, and a place to take a leak if another worker is using the bathroom for a longer period of time.
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Varment
Posted 2/10/2015 22:39 (#4377815 - in reply to #4377512)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


Ontario's West Coast , Huron County
Isn't that what a man door is for ? Step out back and let off the pressure .
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PLO NW MN
Posted 2/10/2015 23:10 (#4377850 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: floor drains in every room for cleaning floors. n/t



NW MN
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j Feces
Posted 2/11/2015 06:41 (#4378048 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


SW Ont
Nice layout and design . I built 64 x 116 16 ft wall few years ago. Put office in one end. Used scissor truss to gain height for second story parts room, lunch room etc upstairs. If you look at total cost it will be cheaper to make shop bigger to add this space into than add leanto to house office etc. it comes down to wants and needs. Pay now or pay later. Best advice I can give is go a bit bigger than you think you will need. If I could I would do it in two stages. Shop first and live with space for two or three years and then add office etc. I had no choice but to build entire space at once as we relocated on going business. Good luck.
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GarageGuy
Posted 2/11/2015 08:40 (#4378306 - in reply to #4376662)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


South Central Wisconsin
We rented a modular office for a year or two until we knew what our office needs ( or wants) were. We put it inside the building. It was a few $$ spent but it didn't lock us into a poor design and layout. We eventually went with a lower height addition to the building.
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harvstr
Posted 2/11/2015 10:10 (#4378528 - in reply to #4378306)
Subject: RE: Your thoughts on this shop plan


GarageGuy - 2/11/2015 08:40

We rented a modular office for a year or two until we knew what our office needs ( or wants) were. We put it inside the building. It was a few $$ spent but it didn't lock us into a poor design and layout. We eventually went with a lower height addition to the building.


Another great idea. As the old saying goes "It's back to the drawing board..."

I really appreciate everyone's input and taking it all into consideration. Thank you all so much! Hopefully have a new design soon to encompass these ideas.
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