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NKau
Posted 8/25/2014 13:43 (#4037776)
Subject: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Helenville,WI
I know a lot of these conversions have been done, but I'm having a heck of a time finding any information or parts lists required for doing this. The 310 in mine started putting oil in the coolant, and vice versa, and I want to see how feasible it would be to repower vs rebuilding a motor with limited parts availability, and that I'm not confident will function in a 110-120 hp capacity in the future like I'd like it to.
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snorf
Posted 8/25/2014 14:43 (#4037870 - in reply to #4037776)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


central mo
354 Perkins should fit White 2-105 is an 1855 with a Perkins
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Belray
Posted 8/25/2014 15:17 (#4037927 - in reply to #4037870)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


East Central Iowa
Had this conversation recently and was told the Perkins won't drop into a 1855. Need a 1850 frame . Neighbor was looking to replace his blown up Wakesha with a Perkins and found this out from a couple of Oliver mechanics.
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Tazzerblue
Posted 8/25/2014 15:25 (#4037939 - in reply to #4037927)
Subject: I have a couple of 354.4 in shop.


SW MN
If you find out it will work, shoot me an email
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NKau
Posted 8/25/2014 15:28 (#4037946 - in reply to #4037927)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Helenville,WI
It was my understanding that you'd want the front tub off an 1850, or perkins powered white to do either swap?
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slowzuki
Posted 8/25/2014 15:41 (#4037964 - in reply to #4037776)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


New Brunswick, Canada
5.9 is supposed to fit in the 1855 tub better than the perkins tub from what I've read.
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evilboweivel
Posted 8/25/2014 15:45 (#4037972 - in reply to #4037776)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Lancaster, Ohio
Check with Maibach tractor 330-939-4192
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blueraid
Posted 8/25/2014 20:42 (#4038446 - in reply to #4037972)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap



Southern Middle Tennessee
evilboweivel - 8/25/2014 15:45

Check with Maibach tractor 330-939-4192


Ill second calling maibach. Ask for brad, he does these conversions all the time and has the kits to sell also. I'm seriously considering letting him do one in my 1950-t.

Edited by blueraid 8/25/2014 20:43
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Josh in Pa
Posted 8/25/2014 19:17 (#4038272 - in reply to #4037776)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


s.e. Pa
It is probably a lot cheaper to rebuild the 310. Is it an oil cooler block? If it's an oil cooler block, and you rebuild with 1 Pc wrist pin bushings, 12 pt rod bolts, and get the head done right, they are not too bad. I have one that gets a few hundred hours a year. I am careful to not push it too hard and watch warm up and cool down times. It is running about 115 hp. The cummins is a better motor for sure if you decide to go that route. It can go in your 1855 tub, but you have to do some drilling and tapping, and you might have to fabricate some mounts. I've never done it, but have been on the lookout for the right tractor to repower. You wil need a flywheel and clutch from a cummins powered white, and a different bell housing. Some people manage to get everything under the hood and looking factory, others are not quite so clean. Maibach should be able to help you.
Josh
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Ben2013
Posted 8/25/2014 20:46 (#4038460 - in reply to #4038272)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Western, Pa
if u use a front tub off a white 105 to put a perkins in you have the drill and tap the bolt holes for the grill and for the front wieght. The cummins will fit in the waukesha frame but it fits better in a perkins tub because the hole in the bottom is much larger. The cummins will be harder on fuel the perkins is more fuel efficent than the waukesha too. i agree with everything josh said but add to that getting the crsnk cut and the block decked, line bored, and the rods resized, it really adds up fast with a 310 turbo(we have rebuilt quite a few). A cummins swap kit will come with flywheel, flywheel housing, pto hub, clucth and pressure plate and a throw out bearing. Hope this helps
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NKau
Posted 8/25/2014 21:54 (#4038639 - in reply to #4038272)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Helenville,WI
Thanks guys. It is NOT a cooler block. It has been worked on, as it has 12 pt rod bolts, but I know nothing else on the history of the motor. It has always run cool and made 35-40 psi of oil pressure. Put a head gasket in it 3 years back, and to have been done properly the block and head both should have been resurfaced. If I could have the 310 gone through, and know with confidence that it could yank a 13 foot discbine without being totally maxed out, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Its been a great tractor for the 1000 hrs I've had it.
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9700
Posted 8/25/2014 23:18 (#4038809 - in reply to #4038639)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Do it. Take the block to a good mechanic to have all the bores checked and surfaced if needed. Also have it line bored and the head and deck surfaced for trueness. Take the right precaustions and do a proper rebuild to the 310 and it will serve you well at those power levels. Running a good synthetic oil and enlarging the oil pan will help you too since you don't have the cooler block. You'll be money ahead going this route than by doing a conversion. Arm yourself with the right knowledge and there is nothing to fear with the 310.
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oliver1955
Posted 8/26/2014 02:55 (#4038901 - in reply to #4038809)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Michigan
5.9L cummins. That is the best fit. 1st Gen. You will like it better. Good Luck.
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berggrenfarms
Posted 8/26/2014 09:32 (#4039318 - in reply to #4037776)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Nebraska, The land of corn and cattle

The best advice I can give is build a 310 like you would a race engine, we have a turbod 310 in a 1755 and it runs like a raped ape but we spent some $$ building it, the whole rotating assembly was balanced, 12pt bolts 1 pc wrist pin bushings, etc etc. This was not an oil cooled block so we built a deeper oil pan that added a gallon of oil. If youre serious about rebuilding the 310, I wouldnt waste my time unless you went all out. Balance the assembly, line checked/bored, head and deck surfaced, head checked for cracks, all the updates, deeper pan and if you can fit it, an external oil cooler up front. We couldnt fit a cooler behind the grill because of the condenser for the A/C. Then take it and have it dynod, set to 110hp and never touch it again. As long as you dont pull the snot out of it you should be fine.

Ours runs good and has great power but that being said I dont think I would do it again, too much $ for what you get. You are still running at the upper end of that engines limit, where a 5.9 plays at 120hp. Were actually thinking about swapping our 310 into our other 1755, to replace what we call "the cursed engine" as we will not be rebuilding it for the 3rd time in 10 years, and putting a 5.9 in where our good 310 is now.

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NKau
Posted 8/26/2014 11:45 (#4039492 - in reply to #4039318)
Subject: RE: oliver 1855 cummins/perkins swap


Helenville,WI
What kind of cash are we talking to build a strong 310 longblock? The cummins swap begins to look like a better idea if we are getting into the $6-$7K area to rebuild the waukesha. If I can get $2-$3K for my 310 as it sits, it makes it seem like an even better idea to swap?

A smart man would probably just sell the thing and buy another nice 2-105, but it's in really nice shape otherwise.

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