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Dennis SEND
Posted 7/25/2014 23:01 (#3986149)
Subject: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin



Friend of mine is going to be putting up a 42' x 7 ring grain bin, he has quotes for Brock & Sukup, Sukup is a lot cheaper and we went and looked at a Sukup bin and can't really find anything wrong with them, so is the steel lighter or what, we know the shipping weight of the Sukup so would anyone have the shipping weight (bin only) for a 42x7 Brock bin, quotes he has are for regular non stiffened farm storage bins so nothing special just a regular bin.

Edited by Dennis SEND 7/25/2014 23:03
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haybstr67
Posted 7/25/2014 23:27 (#3986180 - in reply to #3986149)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin


NE SD
I have put up 2 Sukup bins that size in 3 years. Have other Brock bins. Found $4-5500 cheaper price for Sukup both times. Like them, but had a guy tell me "don't put up a Sukup, they all blow down"! I said, " so, if I spend more for a Brock, I don't need insurance"? He didn't have an answer! I don't know how heavy they are but hated to spend more for same size bin. There are a lot of both brands around here and storms have damaged both. I have been wondering same as you are, hope to hear an answer.
Edit: this guy is one of those people that acts like the brand he buys is the best and all others are inferior, we should all copy him because he knows best:). For the record, he says you still have to insure them! Brock has good bins, just not sure worth that much more. Over 25 years, really not a big added cost.

Edited by haybstr67 7/26/2014 07:58
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dave morgan
Posted 7/26/2014 05:46 (#3986283 - in reply to #3986180)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin


Somerville, Indiana
simple question is to ask the guage of the sheets in each ring from top to bottom and surely all companys use quality bolts, doors similar?..Doors are much more user friendly than just a few hears ago...Consider the higher capacity easier unloading equipment while your are spending the money, over the life of a bin better unloading equipment pencils out better than you may think...Seriously consider sump guards for all your bins, they are a very useful addition both in being less trouble with unloading the bin and in safety as entering the bin and risking lives are mainly a thing of the past, side note tho is many fire departments have grain entrapment devices that can go thru the man hole in the roof, bolt together like a 55 gallon barrel around the victim and with a 1/2 inch powered drill auger the grain out so the trapped man can breathe and get out alive...Seems like the larger taller bins are apt to crust over or FM can cause the grain to quit flowing, so the farmer climbs in and trys to dislodge the grain like most of us have done many times...the sump guard nearly 100% prevents the blockage of the sump.
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Mrs B
Posted 7/26/2014 08:14 (#3986420 - in reply to #3986180)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin


Highland Center, in Southeast Iowa

And in our area, it seems when you see one caved in or collapsed after a storm, it's almost always a Brock, while others stand. It's a "here" thing, I guess. 

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Itchy
Posted 7/26/2014 08:21 (#3986432 - in reply to #3986149)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin


SW Iowa
more to it than just weight. Corrugation width is a big strength factor. The narrower the corrugations, the more strength in the same weight steel.
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Dennis SEND
Posted 7/26/2014 08:43 (#3986462 - in reply to #3986432)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin



Itchy - 7/26/2014 08:21

more to it than just weight. Corrugation width is a big strength factor. The narrower the corrugations, the more strength in the same weight steel.


Both bins are quoted the same using wide corrugation (44" sheets) so no difference there, he is planning on putting in a North star unload tube as neither of us are really fond of the offset chain setup sukup uses, much prefer the double stacked gearboxes for the power sweeps that virtually everyone one else uses.

We also talked about the bins blowing down, it is virtually impossible to compare bins in a line up during a storm, cause wind moves in really weird ways, just look at a town during really bad storms and small tornadoes, some houses will be gone and the next one virtually untouched so using that argument doesn't hold water in my opinion either.

And finally I said to him if the wind is strong enough something has to give and since you have insurance anyways does it really matter if it just caves in a few sheets on the sidewall or if it takes the whole bin cost to you to get it fixed is the same, your deductible.
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Itchy
Posted 7/26/2014 08:56 (#3986493 - in reply to #3986462)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin


SW Iowa
sounds like you have answered your question. Similar designs, but Sukup is considerably cheaper. Go with the Sukup bin, and save enough to pay for some other bin options, such as wall stiffeners.
There are a lot of Sukup bins around here, Titan, Conrad American, Brock, etc....They all get wind damage, But, I have noticed a lot more put up with the extra wall stiffeners...Best thing is to insure them plenty high.
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DixieDeere
Posted 7/26/2014 09:09 (#3986524 - in reply to #3986149)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin



Jackson County, AL

Shipping weight on our two with sweeps and fans that I believe are 7 ring (30k bu) were ~20,000 a piece without all the stiffeners and floor supports.  Dealer also had a vertical unload auger with ours but looks like 21k lbs per bin would be close.  Sheets alone were 3 tons.

 

Also should add that several told us that they were not happy with Sukup and Brock's floor was designed so that one sheet could be taken up without having to take up others to get to it.  So far the quality of the components looks good but they aren't assembled yet.



Edited by DixieDeere 7/26/2014 09:11
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GangGreen
Posted 7/26/2014 13:09 (#3986847 - in reply to #3986149)
Subject: RE: Shipping weight on Brock Grain Bin



Eastern Iowa
On a Brock bin that size, $1000 of that difference might be their magic bin bolts you need a special tool to use. Or the Brock dealer might not be all that hungry. Or too busy to get to you without a premium. Maybe the Sukup dealer is selling out of inventory a bin he purchased for less last winter and the Brock dealer has to get one in for you in late summer. I am not sure what is always all included in "weight" when making comparisons across different brands, it is seldom apples to apples. Agree it is best to get an accounting of which gauge the sheets are before you purchase, and confirm it upon delivery to make sure you get what you were sold! And buy in winter when the companies don't have you over the barrel. 10-20% is huge on a purchase that size!

I sell bins here and will build any kind. IMO, the industry's margins are very tight and buyers need to beware of where this shows up in the products they choose from!
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