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CUBE
Posted 7/14/2014 17:53 (#3967924)
Subject: Have gophers in the yard... poison?



Dodge County, WI
The wife wants them dead and I'm not home enough to shoot them. Do the traps really work? Or is there a poison that works?

Ben
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WYDave
Posted 7/14/2014 18:00 (#3967936 - in reply to #3967924)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?


Wyoming

Are we talking about pocket gophers?

If so, you won't have much opportunity to shoot them. They're rarely above ground except at night.

Cinch traps really do work, but require skill in setting them.

Phostoxin is a good poison with low secondary kill. 

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Big Ben
Posted 7/14/2014 18:12 (#3967953 - in reply to #3967924)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?


Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA
I've been using zinc phosphide for gophers. You have to keep on them and bait holes asap, but it does seem to be working.
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steadyman
Posted 7/14/2014 19:30 (#3968100 - in reply to #3967924)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?



Treynor IA
I had one in the yard I couldn't get rid of. I finally dug open one of their runs and stuck a hose in it and put the other end on my car exhaust. End of problem.
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RJG
Posted 7/14/2014 19:37 (#3968122 - in reply to #3968100)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?


Galva, IL----- Half way between Peoria & Moline
Have caught some in a live trap using shelled corn for bait. Recently , put some fresh chewing gum down some holes, no new digging since, ??? Try anything once.
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anton
Posted 7/14/2014 19:48 (#3968145 - in reply to #3967924)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?


north Perth ontario
Iv used rat poison mixed in with cocacola or Pepsi on racons worked like a charm
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dairymanswife
Posted 7/14/2014 20:22 (#3968231 - in reply to #3967924)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?



If you are talking moles, this is the trap that we swear by. I told this before in here, we have a pest guy that comes every two months. He said that he saw lots of mole runs in our yard and he had just the trap for me. I told him, sure you do. I said we had tried a few different ones and they never worked. He tried to get me to buy it. I told him to set it and if we caught one I would pay for it. He did it and two hours later I had to call him and told him I would pay for it as we caught one. I can't even count how many we caught since we bought it. It works

http://www.tomcatmole.com/how-to-use-trap.html
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Ben D, N CA
Posted 7/14/2014 23:28 (#3968707 - in reply to #3967924)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?



Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot
"gopher" can mean many different critters depending upon what region your in. If you are referring to Pocket Gophers, that make semi-circular mounds of soft dirt and live pretty much underground all the time, your options are somewhat limited. Lots of people call ground digger squirrels "gophers", but they leave their holes open and are pretty easy to kill with various baited grains.

For true pocket gophers, Phostoxin as Dave mentioned can work well, although you need to be very careful with the stuff. It makes me nervous sending guys out to use it, I don't think they respect it enough, so I've quit using it unless I can do it myself.

For around the yard, trapping works pretty well and you know you have them. What type of trap will work most effectively depends on the size of the gophers your after. Apparently, most of our gophers are on the smaller size, the Macabee traps are most popular here. We probably trapped over 1,000 last year, and we only trap fields with very low infestations. We use strychnine poison on fields with bad infestations, but all you do is suppress the population. It is hard to find and very regulated, and the most effective blend is apparently off the market. Gophers are a major problem in alfalfa fields here.
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Gary Lyon
Posted 7/15/2014 02:20 (#3968781 - in reply to #3968707)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?



Southeast Wyoming

Ben, how do you apply the poison in the alfalfa fields?

I just found this pdf from Montana:   http://agr.mt.gov/agr/Programs/PestMgt/VertebratePest/Bulletins/pdf/PocketGopher.pdf  

I see some discussion here about pocket gophers and never realized that I probably have a problem with them.  I always thought I had "moles" but that pdf may have gotten me on the right track.

How would you control them around stacked hay.  I raised some forage barley last summer and have some planted again that I will be putting up for hay soon.  Last year I had quite a bit of grain in it and the "moles" nested in it and ate the net wrap so bad that I couldn't load/sell several bales.

I had some weasels around that stack yard in the past; I don't want to kill the natural predators but they may be gone already.  I also have some cotton tails around so I want to target only the pocket gophers as much as possible and still take care of the problem.

Many years ago I saw hundreds of them around rows of wheat hay.  I didn't want to get out of the tractor; I ran over bunches of them.  There was a lot of snow drifted up and the snow was red from the massacre of the pests.  They destroy a lot of hay/wrap here.  Any suggestions are appreciated.



Edited by Gary Lyon 7/15/2014 02:20
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tedbear
Posted 7/15/2014 06:37 (#3968863 - in reply to #3968781)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?


Near Intersection of I-35 & I-90 Southern Mn.
Around here we have basically two types of what are called gophers. The pocket gopher is referred to in several of the above posts. They are called pocket gophers because they literally have pockets in their cheeks to carry the dirt. This is the style that makes the circular mounds with a "plug" of dirt where they finish off the work. These cause lots of problems. They are especially bad for lawns and hay fields.

They can be trapped. I did this a fair amount when I was young. Basically you dug down and found the runway and set the trap below the runway level. Then you covered the hole. If the gopher suspected the trap, they would plug the area and you would need to dig your trap out and try again. If you were successful you would catch them by a leg. My great nephew had quite a bit of pocket gopher activity on his lawn early this spring. An older retired farmer who moved to town was notified and he trapped them with this method.

When we had them in the lawn, Dad would use a hose affair he had rigged up on the Ford tractor exhaust. He would dig down to the runway and bury the hose. He would let the tractor run for a while which usually did the trick.

We had a neighbor who was a crop sprayer and had his own runway. He got pocket gophers in the runway which was very dangerous. He got a tank of NH3 and released some into the gopher runway system. It killed the gophers and made a very interesting road map of their runs as the grass turned a very nice shade of green in those areas.

The other type of gopher around here is called a "Stripped Gopher". This is the mascot of the University of Minnesota. The name is actually incorrect as the animal is really a 13 lined ground squirrel. This type of critter digs and leaves an open hole. These are much easier to catch with a trap. The can also be shot with a .22 rifle or pistol. If you are patient and whistle properly you can coax them to come out.

I have a friend who claims he used to snare them. He says that he made a loop out of string and laid the loop over the hole. He would then whistle to bring them out and tighten the snare. I have never tried that and don't think I would have the patience.


Edited by tedbear 7/15/2014 06:40
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WYDave
Posted 7/15/2014 11:18 (#3969336 - in reply to #3968781)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?


Wyoming

Gary,

We used to use a "burrow builder" and strych on groated oats with some star anise and brown sugar mixed in. Gophers ate the stuff up. A burrow builder has a "torpedo" like hollow point on a shank with a coulter in front, to run under the ground (maybe a foot down) and then a press wheel behind it to close the slit. A couple of companies make them. There is a hopper and a metering system to dispense the poison on grain down into the burrow.

By using a burrow builder in a field infested with gophers when the moisture was just right so that the burrow would hold up for days (soil is very sandy in Nevada, and when it dries down the burrows collapse quickly), we'd get a 80%+ kill in one application. It's quick work - you can cover a quarter section with lines about 20' apart in a few hours.

The trick was to intersect as many existing gopher tunnels as possible. When a pocket gopher finds a tunnel he didn't build, he investigates it because he thinks a competing animal is in his tunnel system.  They come upon the strych-on-oats and that's all she wrote.

Strych was outlawed for above-ground applications in Nevada in 2006, I think. Dunno about other states.


The traps we'd use in Nevada are called "Cinch" traps, after the manufacture's name. Here's a link to some info on them:


http://www.cinchtraps.com/medium-gopher-trap-p-18.html
 
Click on the picture to see a much larger pic. Now, you can use the Cinch trap in original form, but we would make them more reliable and more lethal.

First, you get a torch, soften the jaws and bend the killing tips inwards a bit. Make the opening more circular. Quench the hot steel in water to re-stiffen the spring steel. Then grind the tips to be sharp as knives.

Then take some emory cloth and polish the release end of the trip bale. This will be the part at the back end of the trap bent like a "S." If the bale drags on the edge of the trap too much, some gophers will back off the trap. You want that bale to slide as easily as possible. Some professional gopher trappers replace the bale with stainless steel welding rod, so it is slick, slides easily and will forever because it won't rust.

Lastly, if you're replacing the trip bale with stainless rod, make it a bit longer - ie, bring that loop closer to the killing jaws by, oh, about 3/4". I talked to Cinch back in 2002 about doing this, and they said they'd do it for me for a buck a trap, but they didn't sound happy about it. Oh, and back when we bought our traps in 2000, they were $7/ea. I see the price has gone up considerably. And the Fed tells us there's no inflation...


OH! Another thing and this is very important when using Cinch traps: Coyotes will want to dig out the gophers and eat them. To prevent your trap from literally walking off into the sagebrush, you should drill a 1/4" to 3/8" hole in the main plate of the trap so you can stake it down with a big piece of welding rod or steel stake. We'd use big gas welding rod, which was pointed to make it easier to push into the ground and then we'd curl a loop on the top and tie flagging tape through the loop so we could spot the trap set from across the field.

The first year on the farm in Nevada, we trapped over 7,000 gophers out of a quarter section. No, I do not exaggerate. How do I know this number is accurate? Because the county had a pocket gopher bounty. You'd bring in your gopher tails in a plastic bag (frozen), 50 to the bag. The nice lady at the ag co-op extension would count the tails and give you $25/bag.

The county's gopher bounty budget was about $4000 that year. And we got $3500 of that. The next year, the county dispensed with the bounty. They'd never had any single farmer claim that much of the bounty before and some of the old timers were a little piqued that a nooob came in and depleted the bounty fund in two months.

Weasels: Weasels are the best natural predators. The best way to protect the weasels is to use traps, not poison. We had some weasels on the farm in Nevada. I could watch a weasel hunt a squirrel-infested field for hours. They're beautiful to watch. Weasels don't walk on the ground, they swim in the air above the ground.  And when they heard a ground squirrel down in their hole, the weasel would disappear down the hole like watching smoke coming out of a pipe in reverse. A couple minutes later, the weasel would re-appear, with the rear haunches of a squirrel in his/her mouth.

Wonderful creatures. Wish I could breed them in quantity. Unlike badgers, they don't dig new holes, just kill what is at the bottom of existing ones. I'd keep every weasel I could on a field. 

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Gary Lyon
Posted 7/16/2014 08:55 (#3970812 - in reply to #3969336)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?



Southeast Wyoming

Thanks Dave.

The county weed and pest district did have a "gopher" machine.  The last I knew they loaned it out, didn't record who took it, and it never came back.  I never did see it BUT did receive a call asking me to bring it back.  I said I had not borrowed it, supervisor said he didn't think so but he was calling all alfalfa growers in the county since no one responded to the notice in the newspaper to bring it back.

I have a new stand of alfalfa on ground which has never had alfalfa so it is okay for a while.  My brother has a new stand on old alfalfa ground and he is seeing a problem.  We may look up a gopher machine.

The traps around the stack yard may work but I don't have the time required to dedicate to the project.  I may order a couple and see how effective they are.

Thanks again Dave and Ted. 

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Ben D, N CA
Posted 7/16/2014 10:24 (#3970930 - in reply to #3970812)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?



Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot
http://www.inventiveagproducts.com/verminator-description-1.html

By far the most popular gopher machine in this area. Problem is, 1.8% strychnine bait has become mostly impossible to find. I've heard the EPA cracked down on the manufacturer, I've heard there is a civil war going on wherever they harvest strychnine and the manufacturers just have a limited supply, etc. Regardless, the 0.50% baited milo or oats is all you can find. It sort of works, but not like the 1.8%. With two applications covering every active mound (you harrow in between to knock the old mounds down) we are getting maybe 50%, where with the 1.8% you could get 80-90% of them. Oh, and the 0.50% stuff rose in price to where the 1.8% was as well, even it is $11/pound.

The machines work well, just nothing out there for bait to run through them.
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Pvafarm
Posted 7/15/2014 07:44 (#3968975 - in reply to #3967924)
Subject: RE: Have gophers in the yard... poison?


Southeast WI
Farm and Fleet, and probably Fleet Farm by you carries gopher bait pellets. Comes with a 4-5" spoon so you can dump them down in the hole and domestic critters cant eat the stuff. May have to do it a few times but it works well. Gophers die in their burrows so no cleanup required. You can find the product back with all the rat bait right next to the animal health section...
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