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SEMOFarmer
Posted 5/3/2014 19:51 (#3852026)
Subject: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


I got a call from my Dad this evening that he couldn't hook the shaft from his bush hog on his tractor. He said when he shut the tractor off the PTO would not spin and he was not strong enough to turn the shaft on the bush hog. When I got there he was reading that he had to put the PTO in neutral by using the command center. I couldn't find the page to put the PTO in neutral in the Command Center. I just turned the shaft of the bush hog and put it on. He said he is not that young anymore. Does anyone know how to put the PTO in neutral using the command center so he can do it himself. As mad as he was when I got there I think he would have used the old 4020 if it had been around.

Edited by SEMOFarmer 5/3/2014 21:14
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WildBuckwheat
Posted 5/3/2014 19:57 (#3852035 - in reply to #3852026)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Middlesex County, Ontario		I don't know anything about a neutral in command center. Sounds like something a euro model with in cab shift selector might have.

With the tractor off the brake is released and the shaft should be able to turn. But probably not easily enough for old hands.

How bout a $70 over run clutch?
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Thud
Posted 5/3/2014 20:03 (#3852048 - in reply to #3852035)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Near-north Ontario, French River		No idea on putting the pto in neutral( wrong colour and vintage of tractor lol) but often times if you turn the pto 90 degrees from the horizontal ( at the second joint, not at the pto coupler end) you can easily get enough leverage to turn the pto shaft, alternatively stick the long wrench you have in the tractor into the yoke and turn the pto that way. It's only going to take a few degrees of turn on shaft to get things lined up.
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mnstumpy
Posted 5/3/2014 20:38 (#3852116 - in reply to #3852026)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Southern Minnesota		If the tractor is shut off the pto should turn by hand. If running you have to highlight the pto then can turn it off or change from 540 to 1000. Check your owners manual or read it on the web from John Deere
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SEMOFarmer
Posted 5/3/2014 21:20 (#3852193 - in reply to #3852116)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


It would not turn by hand with tractor off. I couldn't find the right tab on the command center to turn it to neutral. I will get the owners manual and do more reading. The tab in the command center that it wanted me to use was not in the command center. I also noticed we didn't have that PTO button on the side that it wanted me to hit. I agree, I think this is a German made tractor.
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mschultz
Posted 5/4/2014 00:04 (#3852507 - in reply to #3852193)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Oregon		I took a quick look in the on-line manual for you and did not find anything about a neutral setting.

-Mike
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ridgeroad
Posted 5/3/2014 21:37 (#3852234 - in reply to #3852026)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up



I have a 6115d, it doesn't have a pto brake but it is hard as heck to turn by hand. I put a vise grips around the shaft close to the tractor. With just a little leverage you can turn it.
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JPT
Posted 5/3/2014 22:10 (#3852327 - in reply to #3852026)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Really nothing to it other than playing with command center for a little bit. I programmed the hot buttons for Neutral, 540, 540E, 1000 in ours.
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tommy_harrell
Posted 5/4/2014 00:40 (#3852524 - in reply to #3852026)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Central Missouri		Mine spins with the engine off and it turns whith the engine running/ PTO in neutral. 2007 6430p I can't remember what the button looks like now, but it isn't a difficult screen to access

Tommy
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slowzuki
Posted 5/4/2014 05:06 (#3852556 - in reply to #3852026)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


New Brunswick, Canada		Some euro tractors have a pto bump switch on the fender you push to get it turned a little bit when hitching.
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WildBuckwheat
Posted 5/4/2014 15:39 (#3853400 - in reply to #3852026)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Middlesex County, Ontario		SEMO.

The system I am familiar with does not have buttons in the cab. All you can do from the cab is turn the PTO on/off. To change speeds you have to get out, get your pliers, remove the snap ring, and flip the stub around. Flipping the stub around engages a pin inside which changes gears. This is similar to the 10 and 00 series.

The in cab shiftable models: on the side console there are three buttons in a triangle formation. One with an engine, one with a gear (transmission) and one with a PTO. If you don't have the PTO button in that triangle you must have the "get out and flip the shaft" style. Here is a picture of that button and the screen shows where you would be able to shift your pto. http://manuals.deere.com/omview/OMAL171299_19/OULXE59_001095F_19_03...


With a $70 over run clutch like used when mowing with an old tractor he will have no problem spinning the shaft with a couple fingers. The implement will not brake on the PTO when powering down and will coast when letting the throttle down. Those might be (safety) issues, your call.
Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TRACTOR-OVER-RUNNING-COUPLER-PTO-OVER-R...

Edited by WildBuckwheat 5/4/2014 15:42
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SEMOFarmer
Posted 5/4/2014 16:16 (#3853462 - in reply to #3853400)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Thanks for the help Wild and the rest of the Agtalkers. That looks like an adaptor but I guess it has it's own clutch? That might be what he needs. We don't have the button that it shows in manual. Only way to adjust is the old way by taking snap ring out and flipping.
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WildBuckwheat
Posted 5/4/2014 21:12 (#3854006 - in reply to #3853462)
Subject: RE: 6430 Premium PTO Hook up


Middlesex County, Ontario		Its like a ratchet. You'll be able to turn it freely one way. The PTO can give power to the shaft but it can't take power from the shaft with this clutch. So when you shut the PTO off the stub shaft will stop but the implement will freewheel to a stop. Its easy enough to "click" the ratchet by hand the one way which will help him line up to slide the shaft on. My dealers have them on the shelves by the spot lights and hitch pins and cotter pins and stuff.

On the old tractors the PTO was connected straight to the drivetrain. When your mowing with a big drum mower and come up to the ditch, you can clutch all you want but the inertia in the mower blades is going to keep you moving straight forward. With an over run clutch like that the mower will just keep spinning and click the ratchet while the tractor slows down. That's what they were originally for. Then the live PTO came along and fixed all that.

Edited by WildBuckwheat 5/4/2014 21:13
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