Nova Scotia | Gerard - 8/29/2013 19:02
Fendt tractors are exactly like a Mercedes. You pay extra for the premium brand. Demoed a 822 a few weeks, had really high expectations and was really disappointed.
Some background, on our farm we had ford tractors, had a few New Hollands and started buying some John Deeres in 2001. Most comparable tractor that we have on the farm to a Fendt is a JD 7230R, which john deere admits is made to compete with the Fendt tractors.
Comparing a 822 with a 7230R
- Cab volume is the same, but the Deere has more glass (you can get this from acgo compare website). Visibility is much better out of the 7230R.
- Gauges and buttons behind the steering wheel are hard to see and reach. Deere moved all gauges to the corner post and all the knobs are on the armrest or on the armrest screen, which is plenty big on the Fendt, so why not use it?
- The rear PTO and 3PT switches are at the far side of the armrest... Those are some of the closest on the Deere...
- The remotes on the fendt can not have separate times for the detent.... Why? JD, NH and CIH can have that... I use it all the time.
- The hydraulic paddles on the arm rest will activate a detent immediately. There is no feathering of the remote. If you program a 3 second detent for your field cultivator, you can not activate the remote to lift the cultivator just an inch or 2, it will go the entire way. you can cancel the detent, by pushing the paddle the other way. John Deere got it right on the first 8000 series and Fendt still has a mickey mouse system.
- clicking the paddle forward (like you would to engage a detent on a deere) will put it in float... Very annoying, takes very little effort.
- The vario terminal is not very intuitive. Sure, if you spend enough time in it you will get to know it. But since everything is icons, you can't just tell an employee over the phone to push "so and so" button, you are going to have to explain the picture.
- You need to use the scroll wheel a lot, for a touchscreen monitor...
- ISOBUS did not work with my Pottinger mower. Works fine on my 7930 with a 2630 display, 7230R on the armrest and on a 2600.
- A lot of things are locked when you start the tractor. There is no real indication of that, except for a little light by the button that unlocks it. Everything just works when you start a Deere, unless you locked it yourself.
- The Vario is very smooth and more predictable than the IVT
- The Fendt only revs up the engine as needed, the Deere will rev up the engine too much all the time, just in case. The Fendt system seems much smarter.
- The vario is smoother because you have to shift ranges manually. (which caused error codes that I could not find in the manual.) Also you can damage the Vario by pulling hard in high gear.
- You will spend more time setting up a Fendt to do certain jobs that AUTO mode on the IVT does automatically.
- An equally equipped Fendt 824 is more money than a 7230R. The HP ratings on both brands are so much different that it is hard to say which has more HP...
- the Fendt is more complicated to run, which can be a challenge when some operators' first language is not English.
MY conclusion:
The Fendt has a really nice transmission. I feel that when the current 900s came out they had something special, but Deere has caught up with the new cabs. I don't want to give up all the things I mentioned above to buy a good transmission in a okay (but not WOW) tractor, from AGCO. Buying a Fendt because it is the Cadillac of tractors is not enough.
the fendts hyd can set detent to differnt times , in your head land mangment system , not only that different flow rates , or set it to run on feet covered before each function is activated, not only that to be honest it makes no differace where the buttons are placed, you can program every piece of gear you own into the tractor with the setting you like on it , when you start up you chose what your going to run on it and all the settings are there , which make it really good for un experianced operators, they simply choose the piece of gear and depth, speed of hyds run at what i want, not smashing harrows down hard , ect. , all you ever do is press go or end at the head lands , way better than the deere.
also the auto steer can be activated with head land mangament which is way nicer than deere which still requires you to push button seperate ,
nothing is locked up if the tractor is set up the way you set it.
we have two 900 series Fendts proif plus , and two 7R's out of our seven operators everyone is ok with the 7R's being replaced with comparable Fendts , it sounds to me who ever set you up with your demo didn't go into detail with you enough on the true capabilitys of the vario terminal.
I love my 7R's , love them , farm is green as they come , but Fendts are way ahead of the Deere's.
|