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halfbaked
Posted 12/15/2007 10:46 (#260589)
Subject: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


i am moving to a farm site with run down grove of poplar trees that need to be pushed down. i have been looking at these austree trees that are suppose to grow fast and give good wind break. anyone out planted these and how have they worked. i plan on putting hedge around outside of farm place then fill in with other trees. any info would be great.

Edited by halfbaked 12/15/2007 10:48
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meerd
Posted 12/15/2007 12:58 (#260696 - in reply to #260589)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


I planted some too close to the house 15 years ago, they do grow really fast, but tend to get out of control. Every wind storm brings a new pile of trash in the yard, on the deck, etc. This week's ice storm results are pictured below.




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Cowboycorn
Posted 12/15/2007 13:00 (#260699 - in reply to #260589)
Subject: RE: Will this help.............


north central Oklahoma
google is your friend. Copied below is what I found quickly on google search. Many have bit on the hybird poplar ad, and are many times replacing the trees after as few as 10 years. I would hate to start all over every ten years. JMHO



Austrees and Hybrid Poplars
Marianne C. Ophardt
Washington State University Cooperative Extension
Area Extension Agent

They often sound too good to be true... advertisements for fantastic plants and super trees. Is it?

The Austree is actually a hybrid willow tree. It's a cross between the Hankow willow (Salix matsudana) and white willow (Salix alba). Willow trees are fast growing trees and the Austree is no exception. The advertisement indicates that they're "very fast growing" and can grow as much as fifteen feet a year. I don't doubt this one bit, especially with our local summer sunshine and heat. The advantages to a fast growing tree are obvious, but fast growing trees tend to have soft wood that breaks easily and is prone to wood rot.

Fast growing trees also tend to have large, invasive roots systems, and the Austree is again no exception. The ultimate mature height of the tree is 50 to 70 feet and the literature suggests that the roots can extend into the soil two to three items the height of the tree. Austrees are used to stabilize slopes and minimize soil erosion in gullies. This implies a very invasive root system... it has to be to help hold onto the soil.

The literature also indicates that the Austree has problems with alkaline soils where the pH is above 6.5. Most of our local landscape and garden soils are above 8.0 which means that the Austree may have problems here. This can be ameliorated by fertilizing with an acidifying fertilizer, such as ammonium sulfate or sulfur coated urea, on a regular basis. Failure to amend the soil could mean poor growth and performance.

The Austree is also susceptible to the same pests and diseases as other willows growing in our area. The two common pests that I've seen on willows are aphids and mites. These can be controlled with applications of pesticides, but it may be difficult spraying large trees.

What it all comes down to is that Austree should not be considered as a shade tree for a regular- sized or small home lot. They should work well for stabilizing slopes, creating a dust and noise barrier, acting as a windbreak, acting as a wildfire break, or providing a privacy screen. They should also be useful in creating shelterbelts and wildlife habitat.

The important thing to remember is that they do have an extensive and invasive root system. They should be located where this will not create a problem with driveways, sidewalks, septic systems, buildings or other structures. Another thing to know about making the Austree into a hedge or windbreak is that they should be planted about three feet apart in a single row planting and five feet apart in a double row planting.

The fact that these trees have lots of roots also implies that these trees like lots of water... and that's true. The Austree people recommend that after the seedlings are established they should have a good soaking every three days. In fact, they recommend irrigating with drip irrigation to make this easier.

Planted in the right place for the right purpose, the Austree might just have a place in our local landscape. However, I'd recommend staying away from it as a shade tree for the home landscape.

Hybrid poplars are another tree being touted by many because they grow so fast. Just look at the hybrid poplar plantations that are being grown for pulp, fuelwood, lumber, and plywood. It's truly amazing just how fast some of these hybrids grow! Unfortunately, the hybrid poplars are not well suited as a shade tree for the home landscape. The same reasons that make the Austree willow unacceptable also apply to the hybrid poplar... they have invasive roots and brittle wood. Large limbs of brittle wood and potential wood rot lead to limb breakage and potentially hazardous situations.

However, the hybrid poplars do grow fast and are less susceptible to some diseases than Lombardy poplar, the variety traditionally used for windbreaks. These new poplars are preferable over the Lombardy for windbreaks because of their rapid growth, their dense green foliage, and the absence of root sprouting. The use of male clones can also avoid that nasty problem of blowing cotton.

The Rocky Mountain Austree Company offers two interesting hybrid poplars. One is called 'Rapid Merlot' which leafs out in the spring with deep green and maroon leaves. The leaves turn darker green during the summer and change to maroon again in the fall. The Austree company notes that this is a good tree for windbreaks and can grow from 10 to 15 feet in one year.

`Gold Panner' is also a hybrid poplar offered by Austree Co. This one only grows five to eight feet a year and is recommended for shade tree use instead of windbreaks. Keep in mind that this is still a poplar tree and with typical poplar problems. Spring leaves are large and golden-yellow in color with purple stems and veins. They tend to change to a lime green in mid-summer and then back to a brilliant gold in the fall. I like my trees a dark green so I'd personally stay away from this tree, but the coloring does sound distinctively different.

Until recent years local poplars and willows weren't bothered with many serious pests. However, there is an increasing problem with borers on both poplars and willows in this area. One borer is the "poplar and willow borer." There is also the carpenter worm, which attacks both trees too. These can structurally weaken limbs and can lead to the death of the trees. Control involves keeping the trees in good health and applying a pesticide spray at the recommended times.

Another insect problem that's becoming widespread on poplars is the lettuce root aphid. This aphid causes a reddish, flask shaped gall on the leaf stems. It was first thought to be harmless, but apparently high populations of the pest are capable of causing damage and tree decline. This insect can also be controlled with sprays... if one has the equipment to spray tall windbreak poplars.

In conclusion, Austree willows and hybrid poplars have their place in the landscape, but we should realize that they're not problem-free and should be used where you can take advantage of their best characteristics and avoid problems from their poor traits.

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wildcat1
Posted 12/15/2007 14:09 (#260754 - in reply to #260699)
Subject: RE: Will this help.............


South Central Kansas
I read someplace that Austrees are banned in Australia because they are willows. Willows always use a lot of water is the reason.

Good article.
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sugarsand
Posted 12/15/2007 18:18 (#260953 - in reply to #260589)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


They are fast growing, I planted them in 1993, grow fast and provide a great wind break. Once they get beyond 30-40 feet they begin to look kind of ragged. should really be torn out soon, going to be a lot of work but branches are not heavy at all. Plant a row to protect other long term trees and then get rid of them. The soil I planted them on is very light ground, did very well considering this.

Hope this Helps
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Newguy
Posted 12/15/2007 18:43 (#260966 - in reply to #260589)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


WC MN

Unfortunately halfbake,

I have yet to find a "fast growing tree" that is worth a crap after 20 years...........

I agree with the feller who stated something about plant em, but take em out after they served their purpose.

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Jeff
Posted 12/15/2007 23:59 (#261226 - in reply to #260589)
Subject: Re: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


Centralia, MO
Half.......I had a row of em for about 10 years. Gathered a pickup load of limbs off the ground every spring before starting the lawnmowers. Finally took a dozer to em, haven't missed them since! They loose all their leaves in the fall so I can't see much advantage to them from a windbreak standpoint. Would much rather have cedar or pine myself, FWIW.
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mounder
Posted 12/16/2007 10:53 (#261425 - in reply to #260589)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


N.W. Illinois
Ck out www.botanyshop.com They have the Thuja Green Giant trees. These trees are a award winning Conifer tree which adapt to a wide area and are very fast growing. Deer do not like them, perfect windbreak,long lasting,no trimming, smell wonderful,inexpensive,many pluses....can't see any negatives. I've planted a bunch of the 18- 20 inch trees in a quart container in the spring and everything they say is true. After they get established the trees really take off. I do water them in dry weather. Don't think I will need to when they get established. Also I have a 3 ft diameter mulch around ea. tree so grass and weeds don't compete. The Botonyshop tree farm have been great to deal with, give them a call if you have any questions.
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Brian sepa
Posted 12/17/2007 06:01 (#262200 - in reply to #261425)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.



Lancaster County, Pa.
When you say they grow fast, how fast? And what state are you in? I was consudering some Austrees as well for a windbreak.
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mounder
Posted 12/17/2007 08:59 (#262268 - in reply to #262200)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


N.W. Illinois
I'm in N.W. Illinois. The trees I planted are in their 2nd year and are about 3 ft tall. That's impressive to me in that the first year is all about getting the trees established. I can see these trees growing 3 ft+ a year for sure. One thing to remember the Green Giant conifer is a Arborvitae(means tree of life from Latin) and will last for many years, a lot longer then the Austree. They are green year around although you will notice some winter burn in the spring depending on how cold a winter you have. My parents have Arborvitae around their house that are 70+ years old that are in great shape. The Austree are not worth messing with. They do not make a windbreak in the winter and they aren't much different then a hybrid box elder tree of low quality fire wood they will look terrible in 15 years or less. Your growing zone would be fine for the Green Giant just remember to water them in dry weather the first couple years like you would any new tree. It seems like most of their growth is in mid to late summer.
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Brian sepa
Posted 12/17/2007 12:02 (#262391 - in reply to #262268)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.



Lancaster County, Pa.
Thanks for the info. One more question, how about spacing? Double row or single? Looks like your a new poster, welcome to NAT. Brian
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mounder
Posted 12/17/2007 19:34 (#262673 - in reply to #262391)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.


N.W. Illinois
Yep new poster thanks for the welcome. I planted the trees in a single row 10 ft apart. You can plant closer for a faster windbreak. I planted a bunch of Blue Spruces for a wind break 25 years ago in 3 rows and way to close together. If the snow we have melts I'm going to take out the middle row this winter. I'd choose the Green Giants over the Spruces if I had to do it over again. wwwbotanyshop.com/ has a bunch of info on these trees. Good luck
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halfbaked
Posted 12/17/2007 19:39 (#262683 - in reply to #262673)
Subject: thanks guys for the input, i don't think i will be planting any austree, will take a look at that


site, mounder. thanks.
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Keith on DelMarVa
Posted 12/17/2007 22:02 (#262825 - in reply to #262391)
Subject: RE: FAST GROWING TREES FOR MN., AUSTREE, TREES ANYONE TRY THESE.



BRIAN, I would double row them on 15ft centers. I am planning to do this in my yard to give me a sound barrier from the road behind me. except i am going 10 ft between the rows so I don't loose so much yard space.... yard is shallow and wide.
excellent tree for this area.

Keith
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