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dieseldoc
Posted 1/25/2013 10:11 (#2848656)
Subject: Manure spreader apron problem


Iowa		My neighbor is using my NH 195. Said it keeps shearing bolts because when the apron comes around in the back of spreader the chain is rolling up around the sprockets then binding up against a floor crossmember. and shearing the bolt. The chains are new and have hauled less than 5 loads. I say they are to lose he is arguing with me about it. I just had surgery so I really cant go over there and work on it for him. Any ideas so I can tell him so he quits calling me every 10 minutes. Also this is my last working spreader I have right now and really dont want it destroyed. thanks
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cjd12000
Posted 1/25/2013 10:38 (#2848719 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


candor ny		Did he put it in backward I did it once on my tmr cart and it makes it pop cause it sticks to the sprockets.
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cjd12000
Posted 1/25/2013 10:41 (#2848723 - in reply to #2848719)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


candor ny		Sorry did you put it in backwards it does happen once its out hard to visualize what direction it was when in especially if you tore it out one day and put in a few days later
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dieseldoc
Posted 1/25/2013 10:41 (#2848724 - in reply to #2848719)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


Iowa		no I put the chains in the right way. actually it has the big pintle chains and you cant really put them in wrong.
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cjd12000
Posted 1/25/2013 10:44 (#2848727 - in reply to #2848724)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


candor ny		Oh my has the round t-bar and when I did it on the cart only took a few cart full and it broke.
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paul the original
Posted 1/25/2013 10:44 (#2848731 - in reply to #2848724)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


southern MN		Chains are too loose, new chain is going to stretch until it settles in.

What the heck is his argument?

Tighten up the slack adjusters, and spread.

Paul
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aray63
Posted 1/25/2013 12:54 (#2848964 - in reply to #2848731)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


barry county mi		i agree with paul
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dieseldoc
Posted 1/25/2013 12:57 (#2848977 - in reply to #2848731)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


Iowa		His argument? he is 80 years old and I am 30 and dont know anything. Funny thing is he hires me to wrench on his tractors but I guess I know nothing about aprons. Cant tell him anything. lol
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paul the original
Posted 1/25/2013 14:43 (#2849156 - in reply to #2848977)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


southern MN		Ah, well then it makes sense. Of course you are wrong. ;)

Paul
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Sodbustr
Posted 1/25/2013 18:29 (#2849590 - in reply to #2849156)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


Western Iowa		LOL!!
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Chris22
Posted 1/25/2013 10:45 (#2848733 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


Wisconsin		is the apron twisted? this could cause it to bind. No matter the problem, it sounds like the apron is too loose.
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pfl
Posted 1/25/2013 10:45 (#2848736 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: RE: Manure spreader apron problem


Homer, Michigan		you are right,they have worn the paint off and have gotten loose,sounds like they need to be taken up some more
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outsidethebox
Posted 1/25/2013 10:46 (#2848738 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


Memphis, NY		My best guess would be that the spread of the teeth is too much for new chain on worn sprockets.

The quick solution is to tell him to shovel his manure off your spreader so he doesn't break it, and return it to you.
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cjd12000
Posted 1/25/2013 10:47 (#2848742 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


candor ny		I looked at a pic there like forage wagon apron yeah they would be hard to install wrong
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LKT
Posted 1/25/2013 11:42 (#2848838 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


NW Iowa		I just read my book and the apron is suppose to droop 1/2 to an 1 1/2 inches below the bottom of the axel at its lowest point if you have more than that it is too loose, and the way you describe it thats what it sounds like
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Jim Dandy
Posted 1/25/2013 11:56 (#2848858 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem



NW Illinois Stephenson county		See below. My NH 190 did the same thing until the drive shaft on the gear reduction broke off due to so many sheared pins. It would shear pins even when it was almost empty. I think the drive sprockets are worn enough that the apron would wrap around the sprocket. Sometimes when the pin sheared I would have to pry the shaft in reverse and the apron would drop off the under side of the sprocket, It will Not heal itself. I had the same problem on some feed coveyors in the past, I replaced the drive sprocket and the problem disappeared. I hope you don't try to fix it yourself and hurt your back again.
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garvo
Posted 1/25/2013 12:17 (#2848892 - in reply to #2848858)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


western iowa,by Denison		oil is your friend
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Plow79
Posted 1/25/2013 12:31 (#2848920 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: RE: Manure spreader apron problem



Chilliwack BC		If the chain got too loose, it probably fell off the chain return at the back. Then it fights itself back onto the return just ahead of the axle. Happened to me this summer. It was tensioned properly with a new chain but the paint wore off and it fell off the return within 10 loads. Ours was T-rod and it only took 20 minutes to disassemble and get back on properly.

If your neighbour is trying to get a pintle chain back on properly with a loaded spreader, he's going to need back surgery too by the time he's done.
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JDPlowboy
Posted 1/25/2013 13:00 (#2848984 - in reply to #2848920)
Subject: RE: Manure spreader apron problem


sw MN		It has to be loose.
Is it on the guides correctly?
Is it straight on the drive shaft?
Oil it.
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dieseldoc
Posted 1/25/2013 13:11 (#2849004 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: RE: Manure spreader apron problem UPDATE


Iowa		he got the load off without shoveling it. which is good because he is 80 years old. he brought it back over and i watched it while he turned it on. it has two aprons in it oiled up good. when the chains come around the back they want to roll up around the sprockets and bind on the back floor crossmember. I cant really get under it or inside it to check things out but I still think the chains need tightened up. I will wait till my friend gets home from work and have him tighten them up if needed. How tight should they be? i cant find the book for it anywere. I have several of these 195s and this is the first time I had trouble like this but the others had chains that were pretty worn and these chains are new.
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Dave9110
Posted 1/25/2013 13:51 (#2849075 - in reply to #2849004)
Subject: RE: Manure spreader apron problem UPDATE



north-central Indiana west of Fulton		Pretty tight,just got rid of Gehl 1410 (same as NH 195) so don't have book. As you look from back of spreader,shouldn't see hardly any bag in web. Seems like there was a measurement of less than an inch between chain and support on frame. Problem is, it probably needs a link removed, not a fun job on pintle chain. Ours only had the one web however ,you could get it either way.
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argyllholst
Posted 1/25/2013 14:48 (#2849167 - in reply to #2849004)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


SW Ontario		We had a new holland spreader for years and I have seen the chain really loose and it will still run without any problems. It sounds like there is a problem with the old sprockets and new chain. They will do that if the sprockets are really undercut. Usually if it was the tightness of the chain the problem should be going around the idlers the the front of the spreader not the drive. The chain isn't out one link and not running square.
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paul the original
Posted 1/25/2013 14:50 (#2849173 - in reply to #2849004)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


southern MN		Either the chain needs tightening, or the rear sprockets are so worn they are worse than U shaped, instead of almost V shaped and need replacing.

Or something bigger is broken off/ loose up front, or one side slipped and the slats are crooked, or other big obvious deals.

The chain needs to be pretty tight, doesn't need much give.

With the new chain, pretty common for it to loosen up, paint wear off, dust works out, links take the sharp edges off themselves, and it gets loose in the first 10 loads, so that would most likely be it.

Actually I bet the rear sprockets are wore and need to be replaced, they are carrying the chain around. Tightening the chain will help it and work, but I bet you need to replace the sprockets to make it right.

Edited by paul the original 1/25/2013 14:52
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baler brian
Posted 1/25/2013 16:00 (#2849286 - in reply to #2849004)
Subject: RE: Manure spreader apron problem UPDATE



Very similar to barn cleaner chains, A new chain on a worn sprocket and the chain will want to wrap on the slack side of the sprocket.
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agboy190xt
Posted 1/25/2013 15:51 (#2849269 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


Central Iowa		maybe the sprockets are worn? somtime they get so worn they turn into hooks and dont let go of the chain and it wraps everything around the sprockets.
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garvo
Posted 1/25/2013 16:16 (#2849324 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


western iowa,by Denison		Had this happen on a brand new knight-there is a weld kit avaliable to stop it-its a 1/4 rod that you bend and weld around 1/2 the sproket-we had to take the chain apart to do it-stops the chain doing what you described-only 1 load and did it-then again at load 10-actually broke the chain-which knight fixed under warrenty and then sent us this weld rod package-real common on new chains-I will see if I can take a picture!
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dieseldoc
Posted 1/25/2013 17:38 (#2849484 - in reply to #2849324)
Subject: Re: Manure spreader apron problem


Iowa		that would be great. still waiting for someone to look at it and fix it.
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ramlamb
Posted 1/25/2013 18:45 (#2849624 - in reply to #2848656)
Subject: RE: Manure spreader apron problem



Central NY

I had problems with mine a few months ago.  replaced the sprockets and tightened chain up good.  Then ran it for a while empty to watch it and make sure it was ok.

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OMC260
Posted 1/26/2013 09:44 (#2850851 - in reply to #2849624)
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Sioux Center, Iowa

When our chain broke, took the payloader and tipped it upside down.  Really doesn't hurt anything if you do it right. Replacement aprons are not all created equal.  Our first replacement was junk.  Had "connectors" welded every 4' or so.  Single apron, they simply let go.  Current apron was made by local blacksmith. Heaviest link available in that pitch, 1.5 times as many slats to spread the weight and heavier slats .  Was cheaper than any other option.  And I agree with any comments above about keeping aprons tight enough.  A tight apron should "pull" off the sprocket. Our sprockets are original.

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