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bsfarms
Posted 12/18/2012 08:09 (#2759358)
Subject: Self propelled choppers



south central WI

We are looking at upgraing to a self propelled chopper soon. I have a few questions.  We currently use a case FHX300 (same as NH FP240) behind a 8400. We had a Deere 6850 help with corn silage last year.  I like that size, ran an 8 row head.  Deere dealer is closer than Claas, 40-45 min compared to 1.5 hrs+.  We currently chop 300+ alfalfa, 4 crops.  200-250 corn silage.  We will be adding alfalfa acres as cow numbers are climbing.  We may double herd in next few years also.

1) What newer model compares to the 6850? How does the 7400 compare size wise?

2)Is it worth the extra money to go from the 6850 to the next series newer? Looks to be about $30-50k more.   What are some of the things that are upgraded.

3)What are the weak/wear areas to look at on these choppers?

4) Would I be happier in a Claas?     


I don't care about color, just want reliability.  

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mid mn
Posted 12/18/2012 09:20 (#2759487 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: Re: Self propelled choppers


Alot more used John Deere choppers at the Claas dealer, than Claas choppers at the John Deere dealer.
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Hayhauler
Posted 12/18/2012 09:37 (#2759530 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: Re: Self propelled choppers


Northeast CO
+1


Claas has an excellent support system, at least in my area and they are an hour away. I would definitely go with a Claas

Edited by Hayhauler 12/18/2012 09:38
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tims9220
Posted 12/18/2012 09:55 (#2759572 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers


east central wi
We have been running a 2008 7350 for 5 years now chopping about 400 hay and 500 corn with a 6 row head same as a 6850 at 480 hp we have had very few problems and love this machine
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JLynn
Posted 12/18/2012 10:03 (#2759591 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers


NW VA

The 7400 is the 6850 replacement model, but probably performs more comparably to a 6950.   Would definitely be worth upgrading to the 7000 series, some improvements that come to mind are:

Automatic sharpening and shearbar adjustment
Variable length of cut on the go
Improved crop path, kp, and kp adjustment on the go
More erganomic control stick
Better cooling system

Never ran a Claas, but the ones I've ridden in and beside don't have me convinced of any reasons to change. 

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Chris in AB
Posted 12/18/2012 10:31 (#2759636 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers


The Deere cutters can have issues with gummy alfalfa plugging the belly pan. Tend to see more Claas with high hours than Deere but you will pay 30k more to start with.

Best of Luck; Chris
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Robert W Greif
Posted 12/18/2012 10:49 (#2759673 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers



Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463
Claas entered the North American SP chopper market - And in just four years they were number one in sales.

Doesn't that tell you something?
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Big Ben
Posted 12/18/2012 10:59 (#2759691 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers


Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA
It doesn't matter how far a JD dealer is, it matters how far it is to a JD dealer that really knows SP choppers. Is your local dealer very well stocked with parts and do they have at least a couple guys that really know the machines?

JD small drum headers leave a lot to be desired, IMO.

I just traded out of a Claas 850. That size machine will easily do the acres you listed, much more actually. Our 850 could not be beat for reliability. Really any 492 machine would work, as sometimes you can buy a 900 cheaper than the smaller models.

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JLynn
Posted 12/18/2012 12:49 (#2759862 - in reply to #2759691)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers


NW VA

Ben in the Basin - 12/18/2012 10:59   JD small drum headers leave a lot to be desired, IMO.  


I wish anyone that has ever fought the 686/688 headers could have the opportunity to see the new small drum models work.  We ran a 688 for four years before switching to large drum.  This year we demoed a new 12 row small drum, next year we will be running a 10 row small drum Deere again. 

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Big Ben
Posted 12/18/2012 16:23 (#2760154 - in reply to #2759862)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers


Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA
Maybe I should have been more specific and said that the old small drum heads leave a lot to be desired. However, the aged machine the OP was aking about is much more likely to be paired with an old small drum head, especially the eight rows.

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JLynn
Posted 12/18/2012 17:54 (#2760261 - in reply to #2760154)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers


NW VA

That is true, I just wanted say that the current ones are much better in case somebody didn't know. 

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lukelem
Posted 12/18/2012 11:19 (#2759715 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: Re: Self propelled choppers



waupun wisconsin
For your acreage you should just hire it done...focus on your cows.
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bsfarms
Posted 12/18/2012 12:22 (#2759808 - in reply to #2759715)
Subject: Re: Self propelled choppers



south central WI
Then what would we do with all our free time?!? ;-) We have 5 owners here on the farm, so we have the labor pool. We have the labor to get it done, just need the machine to do it. A good self propelled should last us quite a long time.
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cdi
Posted 12/18/2012 13:26 (#2759928 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: Re: Self propelled choppers



western Pa
Agree with Ben, nothing really wrong with deere, but does your dealer know choppers? Would your deere dealer have a back-up machine in case you have a major breakdown? Deal with Claas at our dealer is if machine down more than a 24 hr period they have to supply a chopper to keep harvest moving. This comes from Claas. Part of being a claas dealer. I've had Claas mechanics at my house at 3am, broke at 7 pm. running again next morning. My dealer is 4 hours away and I have nothing bad to say about them. Why do you think most of the choppers in America all resemble a claas now?
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Gerard
Posted 12/18/2012 13:29 (#2759931 - in reply to #2759358)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers



Woodham, Ontario
I chop about double that with a JD 7350.

When we started looking for our first chopper, we first talked to the local Claas dealer and then to the JD dealer. A new JD 7200 was the same money as a Claas 830 with 2000+ hours. Bought the JD 7200 with a 676 (6row) head and 645B pickup. The Deere dealer knows their choppers. They look over it in the winter and we have almost no down-time in the season. I could get more done with our 7200 than the custom chopper with the 830. The 7200 has the 8.1L engine and it would loose RPM really fast sometime.

Last year the dealer shot me a price on an in-stock 7350 and with more cows to feed we took it and I am very with it. Lots more power and maintains cutterhead RPM much better.

Have run a Claas mower for the last 2 seasons and have had lots of problems with it and the dealer has been helpfull, but Claas has been completely useless. If they can't look after a mower, why would trust them with a chopper?
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lukelem
Posted 12/18/2012 15:49 (#2760119 - in reply to #2759931)
Subject: RE: Self propelled choppers



waupun wisconsin
Im glad claas isnt to worried about your mower- leaves them more time to provide me with worldclass, unparraleled support.
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Gerard
Posted 12/18/2012 19:11 (#2760393 - in reply to #2760119)
Subject: Re: Self propelled choppers



Woodham, Ontario
Do have so many problems with them, that you need a lot of support from Claas?
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lukelem
Posted 12/19/2012 12:45 (#2761641 - in reply to #2760393)
Subject: Re: Self propelled choppers



waupun wisconsin
Dont need much.....but they can trust me with a chopper.
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