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Farm Guy
Posted 11/28/2011 21:19 (#2073350)
Subject: 9660 STS


I am looking at a 2006 JD 9660 STS combine. How will the copacity compare to a 9600. I am a Iowa corn soybean farmer. Will I like this machine better than my walker combine. I like my 9600 and it works well for me but is going to need many higher dollar repairs to run next year. Thinking about trading instead of sinking a ton of cash in the old girl. The 9660 has 950 sep hours and looks very clean. What should I look at for wear points and what options are a must have? Is there any problems with these combines that I should look at another model? Will my 930f platform work on this combine? A Jd tech that I know is telling me to stick with the 9600.
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High Cotton
Posted 11/28/2011 21:32 (#2073400 - in reply to #2073350)
Subject: RE: 9660 STS


Southern Illinois

can you afford to buy a combine and also fix it up, at 950 hours, I'm sure there are some worn items already.  Maybe you should fix what you have, you already know what you have.   When I went from a 9500 to a sts, I had a bunch to learn, I for one really enjoyed my old cylinder machine, barely ever had problems.  Newer ones just have newer problems.

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Ziggy2
Posted 11/28/2011 22:27 (#2073601 - in reply to #2073400)
Subject: RE: 9660 STS


You realize of course that the 9660 has a narrower shoe than the 9600. To make up for that they speeded up the shoe, as a result it doesn't last that well. My experience in wheat is that the 9660 has only slightly more capacity. I tried to replace 3 9600's with 2 9660s and it didn't work had to go back to three machines. Look for an 9660 with extened wear package, then you will at least not have to replace augers for a little while. The concaves, threshing elements , accelerator beater bars and chopper components are all wear points. Also the feeder house sprockets etc. same as the 9600. In some conditions you can get more power by chipping the engine so you have the equivalent of a 9760, not necessary in dry conditions. The rotary really shines in barley there it is probably almost double a 9600. Can't tell you a thing about corn and soybeans thought. Lots of luck.
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northmofarm
Posted 11/28/2011 22:29 (#2073614 - in reply to #2073400)
Subject: Re: 9660 STS


All combines can have problems depending on how they are cared for. Bought a 9750 from a farmer with 1400 sep hours and they had done a bunch of work including a rotor and rotor gear box and lots of augers at 1250 1200 hours. Ran it over 1500 ac this fall with just a couple little problems. The sts will run circles around your 9600. They are mean machines and will eat anything. Had a similar post here last summer when I was looking and the guys all talked me into the sts and they were sure right. We have a few hills and sometimes mud and they recommended the 97 for the hp. Nothing slows it down that we found this year and the beans were green stem and tough. Little like going from an old chevy you love to a new caddy you really love.
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gpm
Posted 11/28/2011 22:24 (#2073591 - in reply to #2073350)
Subject: Re: 9660 STS


NW Ohio
I was told by a dealer that the average rotor machine with around 1000 hrs needs $10,000 to $15,000 dollars in repairs for worn items: throat chains, throat plates, feed accelerator bars, rotor thrashing units, seperator tines, chopper knives, most belts, some bearings/pulleys/sprockets/chains. Pretty sure this cost included labor charges. If you do your own fixing, you probably would save half. If you find one with the extended wear package, you may be able to go higher hours before needing the repairs. You are looking at a lot more electronics on the 9660. If you don't mind the technology advance, I'd say trade up. It does kinda suck though when you get codes on display and need a tech w/laptop to fix it. Depends on your area, maybe local dealer would talk you through it over the phone. They are a super nice machine. I'd look hard for one that has a HUR (high unload rate) auger. Good luck with your hunt.

I've got a set of 18.4-42 duals for sale if you need to change out what you find.

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1000 moline
Posted 11/28/2011 22:26 (#2073595 - in reply to #2073350)
Subject: Re: 9660 STS


South Eastern ,ILL
We bought a used 9660 with 1400 sep. hrs. this fall for a second machine. Had a few problems we caught, before we went to the field, but also found some others in the first few days of operation, dealer took care of everything. Ran great all fall after the initial issues were fixed. ,IMO I would trade
rather than fix the 9600, if you can budget it. Have an independent mechanic check it over. Also some dealers are offering free interest for several years.

Edited by 1000 moline 11/28/2011 22:29
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hwdcne
Posted 11/28/2011 22:49 (#2073684 - in reply to #2073595)
Subject: Re: 9660 STS


Soutwest Ks.

Almost every person I talk to including combine techs say that the STS are more expensive to repair. If that doesn't bother you and you need the capacity, go with the 9660. If you are trading just because you think your 9600 is getting a little thin, I think you probably can still be more cost effective with the 9600 even though it may cost a bunch to fix up. I believe that with either machine the repairs you put in it will not help your resale value but it will make your harvest more enjoyable and efficient.

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DevinF
Posted 11/29/2011 00:26 (#2073913 - in reply to #2073350)
Subject: Re: 9660 STS



Nwmo
I made the move from a 9600 to a 9660sts, I have spent more on repairs for the 9660 the last 2 seasons than I did the whole 5 years I owned the 9600. Now having said that I had to put an $11,000 dollar hydro in it this year which didn't help. The sts definitely has more capacity in corn and beans than a 9600 has. The sts is easier to work on, electronics really haven't been a problem for me. Most of the electrical problems boil down to a short or bad connection somewhere. There are fewer moving parts on an sts and they are genreally easier to get to. My 9660 had 964 sep hours when I got it, the first year I put elevator chains in it, feederhouse drive chain, conveyor auger bearings, sprockets, and and new front plate that holds the bearings. The front plates are known for cracking and they are a real pain to put in so look it over carefully and make them put it in if its cracked. I also put in feed excelerator bearings and discharge beater bearings. The upper feederhouse variable speed drive pulley had bad bearings in it also, and the feederhouse idler pulley was rough sounding. The two idler pulleys on the chopper were also rough sounding and they come in halves so you have to buy 4 pulleys, pretty expensive as I remember. The 2 bearings in the chopper jack shaft were rough, replaced those. fan shroud and several fan blades replaced as a shaker arm broken with previous owner and shaker got into it. Thats all in the first year.
The second year is where things got interesting it had around 1250 sep hours, Rotor bearing was not bad but had play in it replaced. Feed excelerator bars and discharge beater bars replaced, stationary chopper knives replaced. Straight chopper knives flipped then replaced and hammer knives replaced mid season along with bushings and bolts, very expensive. Feederhouse chain replaced, upper feederhouse sprockets replaced, shaker arm broken mid season replaced, bubble up auger replaced, bubble up auger tube replaced. Bearings in the top and bottom of both clean grain and tailings elevator housing replaced. Shaker drive bearings and flanges replaced, found to be rough after shaker arm broke. Unloading auger gearcase bearings on the horizontal and vertical shafts, also replaced vertical drive shaft coming out of gearcase. Replaced broken threshing element. Replaced hydro pump, motor, reservoir, and cooler. Replaced header lift valve very expensive $1500, if the feederhouse settles overnight needs a new one no repairing it. The one your looking at may or may not have this valve there is a serial number break. Batteries and alternator. Various pulleys on the clean grain elevator that sounded rough. Mine has the extended wear unloading system so the augers are still looking pretty good in it.

The disapointing thing about this one is I expected it to last longer before it needed these repairs and the parts do cost more for it. I don't mean to scare you away from it, I still think I made the right choice in moving up. As fas as other models go I think the 05 through 07 60's are probably the best bang for the buck when looking at all the sts out there right now. They have most of the features and updates and a cheaper price than the 70' series.

Devin
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keving
Posted 11/29/2011 08:45 (#2074203 - in reply to #2073913)
Subject: Re: 9660 STS


Michigan
tough call,we own a 9500 and keep it when we went to the 9660 both machines have thier pros and cons.biggest bitch i have with the rotors is the fact you have to change out concaves,slowdown kits,etc when you go to different crops.the old machine,you push a few buttons adj.the seives and your good to go. but have had excellent grain quality with rotor and they shine in wheat,soys,and dry edibles.like i said,tough call
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Farm Guy
Posted 11/29/2011 13:28 (#2074660 - in reply to #2073350)
Subject: RE: 9660 STS


Thanks Guys
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