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binderpower856
Posted 10/18/2011 18:35 (#2009447)
Subject: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


Shelbina, Missouri (NEMO)
I'm trying to get some terraces plowed this fall with little success. I'm pulling an in-furrow IH 720 6x18" toggle trip plow with an 8420 Deere.

Before this year, I've never had a problem with my plow tripping beams when they didn't "need" to. This year though, it seems that I can't plow 10 feet without tripping at least one or two bottoms. It's extremely important when plowing terraces that I get consistent depth across the pass to facilitate proper drainage, but this seems impossible. If I shallow up enough to keep from tripping out, I am only going about 4" deep, and the plow wants to side draft because there's not enough contact between the landsides and the furrow wall. My iron is in perfect shape. 90% shares, 100% moldboards, shins, landsides, and wear pads.

I am considering removing a shim from under my toggle trip mechanism to make it trip with more force. Am I just asking for trouble? I really don't want to break any beams. I've been down that road before to the tune of a $1000 bill per beam from CIH. Finally found a salvage yard in WI and got a couple for $300/pc, but I'm down to my last spare.

My only other alternative is to wait for some rain to soften things up, but that could quickly turn into a mud mess too, and spring plowing is out of the question in our clay pan soils... I'd really rather get it done now...

Thanks for any advice. I'm only a good enough plowman to be dangerous...

Bill

Here's the plow I'm dealing with...
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Here's an example of the kind of terraced up fields I'm dealing with... Red lines are terraces for those of you lucky enough to have never seen a map like this.
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mcfarm
Posted 10/18/2011 18:41 (#2009454 - in reply to #2009447)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


central Indiana
used to run a JD 2500 spring reset and had to remove he shims and it never hurt anything
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mmaddox
Posted 10/18/2011 19:16 (#2009484 - in reply to #2009447)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


While the lack of recent moisture has surely made tillage more difficult, I have to wonder if having the line of draft so far off center might be a part of it. The furrow wheel will usually need to be slid out a lot farther. Realizing it would a pain. Breakage on the toggles can be a real problem on those.
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Pofarmer
Posted 10/18/2011 19:40 (#2009522 - in reply to #2009484)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)



Ya know, that's a good point. I wonder if you could correct the draft point and pull it more as an on land?
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TP from Central PA
Posted 10/18/2011 19:48 (#2009539 - in reply to #2009447)
Subject: RE: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


God, when you said you plowed alot of terraces you weren't kiding..............

I'd take a shim out if it was me, I haven't plowed a huge amount of ground with a toggle plow, but enough to know that in hard going they are a better option to an auto- reset.
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tlupton
Posted 10/18/2011 19:52 (#2009547 - in reply to #2009539)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


Oxford County Ontario
Try tipping your 3ph arms ( lower your rh arm about an 1") we have ran into that later in the fall when your wanting to finish up and the frost is starting to settle into the ground
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JohnW
Posted 10/18/2011 19:51 (#2009543 - in reply to #2009447)
Subject: RE: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


NW Washington
Yes, if you keep tightening up the trip mechanism something more expensive is apt to break. Especially when you put a big powerful tractor in front of a relatively small plow.
I seem to remember a IH 800 breaking the main beam when a guy was plowing some dry hard ground and pulling the plow with a Cat D-6D which did not slip.
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pfl
Posted 10/18/2011 20:43 (#2009623 - in reply to #2009543)
Subject: RE: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


Homer, Michigan
we have had to take out the shims on our 700 trailer high clearance plows, but it seems to me the only one or two bottoms were giveing us fits.with our 710 and 800 autos we chang the came SP? on the frog it self,that also changes the draft,greatly, we have some very heavey clays ourselves
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2+2, MN
Posted 10/19/2011 00:38 (#2010128 - in reply to #2009623)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


New Ulm, MN
yes, try that to, the Cam, its a bolt in the bottom where it bolts on to the beam, has a square head with a arrow on it, for sucking the bottom into the ground, or not sucking so much. changes the pitch. But not sure if that will help much unless its sucking in to much creating more pressure couseing it to trip. Grandpa told me about a neighbor once that was so exited about his new 720AR plow that he plowed Sweet Corn ground in august and all it did on the ends where the trucks drove was trip over and over. They tought it was gonna fly apart it was so loud.
We have a 720 AR, I have all new shares, 3 moleboard, shins to replace broken ones, and a complete set of bolts for each bottom, as thats what i was breaking in the frost a few years back, no looking forward to plowing hard ground, Not gonna do any fall NH3 couse i feel its to dry, chisled bean ground and was turning up huge lumps. Silage ground was a no go with our antuiqe unit. It was sendin dirt chunks at the cab and flexing like it shouldnt.

Edited by 2+2, MN 10/19/2011 00:41
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dave morgan
Posted 10/18/2011 20:42 (#2009617 - in reply to #2009447)
Subject: RE: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


Somerville, Indiana
yeah, try running in a gear that runs 7 mph wide open throttle and cut back to 4 mph to give your plow some mercy when things get tight...Took us a long time to figure that out.
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Tractorman3588
Posted 10/18/2011 21:34 (#2009739 - in reply to #2009447)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


Wisconsin
The plow is just emotionally distraught that you're pulling it with the wrong color tractor.
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dutch
Posted 10/19/2011 08:09 (#2010303 - in reply to #2009739)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)



West Texas
I think it's because he has only 1 dual on it. lol





Have never pulled a plow with auto reset's so I don't have a clue. Other then slowing down and maybe pulling that shim out.
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hesston8465a
Posted 10/18/2011 21:59 (#2009793 - in reply to #2009447)
Subject: RE: Not pertaining to plowing...


Parsons Kansas
but on your map what does HEL mean? I have seen some talk about HEL ground but I don't know what that means. Thanks Darren
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Habbernator
Posted 10/18/2011 22:18 (#2009829 - in reply to #2009793)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


Highly Erodible Land = HEL
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NIF
Posted 10/18/2011 22:19 (#2009831 - in reply to #2009793)
Subject: RE: Not pertaining to plowing...


Northern Idaho
hesston8465a - 10/18/2011 18:59

but on your map what does HEL mean? I have seen some talk about HEL ground but I don't know what that means. Thanks Darren


HEL stands for highly erodible land. A designation resulting from a combination of soil type and slope.
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mcupps
Posted 10/18/2011 22:37 (#2009888 - in reply to #2009793)
Subject: Re: Plowing hard, dry ground and excessive beam tripping questions... (PICS)


Downtown Shell Knob MO Come Visit!
I can honestly say that I have never farmed a single piece of property that didn't have HEL written all over the map :(
Btw binderpower856, if you didn't plow, you wouldn't need those terraces :) (Sorry I just had to say it) It was meant light-heartedly . Im not against plowing so please don't hate me for it.
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