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barda
Posted 7/5/2011 20:34 (#1850044)
Subject: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


Anybody have comparisons to share? Currently am running a wheele rake, like the speed, but, corners, steep hills and very heavy hay are problems. Am I thinking right in that one of these would be an improvement?
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Hay Hud Ohio
Posted 7/5/2011 21:08 (#1850097 - in reply to #1850044)
Subject: RE: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?



SW Ohio
between those two, rotary all the way, unless you are talking about one of the big modern western baskets which I know nothing about, the old NH JD etc, baskets were.........well a basket case. I am using two finger wheel inlines and sometimes one rotary, hope i never have to run a basket again.
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Big Ben
Posted 7/5/2011 23:38 (#1850497 - in reply to #1850097)
Subject: RE: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA
The new basket rakes can not be compared to the old NH or any rake ever made or branded as a JD. Even the plain old Allen hydraulic rakes or an NH 216 is way ahead of that that one Vermeer model that was painted green. The Twinstar G2 rakes are THE ones to have here. Brochure here. Very close to the late model Allen rakes and way better than a NH 216.

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balefire
Posted 7/5/2011 21:38 (#1850148 - in reply to #1850044)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?



Oxford County, ON
Rotary, no question. If you want to cover more ground, get a double rotary. We have a Claas like this:



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GreenhouseGuy
Posted 7/5/2011 21:51 (#1850187 - in reply to #1850148)
Subject: Hey balefire... Question for you


Piedmont, NC
How much are one of those units? How do you start your field? All my fields are surrounded by trees and I was just wondering if that kind throws it out like a single one or rakes two in?
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balefire
Posted 7/5/2011 23:13 (#1850427 - in reply to #1850187)
Subject: RE: Hey balefire... Question for you



Oxford County, ON
The hydraulic cylinder that offsets the rear rotor goes left or right. Left of the front rotor for double windrow, right for two singles. We do all the back and forth rows, then do the headlands last. We bought it used, not sure what new cost is offhand.

Edited by balefire 7/5/2011 23:14
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mlazyj
Posted 7/6/2011 00:44 (#1850595 - in reply to #1850148)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


Shows you how far I'am out in the sticks , that looks like a inline tedder to me.
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Troystrangstalien
Posted 7/5/2011 21:52 (#1850188 - in reply to #1850044)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


Not saying baskets or rotory, but one thing about the basket rakes, newer ones that are hydraulic driven, you can set the speed of the reels so you have minimum leaf damage, and also they will rake a lot less forgien material into the windrow while leaving no hay behind. Never used a rotory rake, we have a V Rake at home, it does rake a lot of crap into the windrow, I dislike that.
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Ken cen-pa
Posted 7/5/2011 22:23 (#1850265 - in reply to #1850044)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


cental pa along the Susquehanna River
We have both. Have a Miller pro 1150[rotary] single that we use for small fields and odd shaped fields and we have a Vermeer 2800 basket rake. The vermeer is a double basket hydralic drive. If you have the basket rake adjusted right it will make a very fluffy row and I think is easier on the leaves for alfalfa hay. The double rotary rakes are nice but I hear they are very expensive to fix.[just what I hear from some guys].
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kylesupplee
Posted 7/5/2011 22:30 (#1850280 - in reply to #1850265)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


Thompsontown, Pennsylvania
i will second ken's comment about a rotary being a little hard on the leaves. Even doing haylage I want to be on the wetter side when raking to keep it from shaking some leaves off. Love howfluffy of a windrow i can make on dry hay though. Have a miller pro 1150
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Ken cen-pa
Posted 7/5/2011 22:37 (#1850301 - in reply to #1850280)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


cental pa along the Susquehanna River
You must have your work all done that you are on here? I hope the rake has been working good for you.
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kylesupplee
Posted 7/6/2011 17:01 (#1851260 - in reply to #1850301)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


Thompsontown, Pennsylvania
Really like the rake, just have to work around the leaf issue just like you have to work around some issues with other kinds of rakes. Not quite everything done. Have the later planted corn to respray, beans to start respraying, waiting for the wheat to get ready/combine ready to cut the wheat, and then have some more beans to stick in after the wheat. Hadn't been on in a while so decided to spend a couple minutes last night and am now checking the weather to decide whether or not to head out and start spraying beans....looks like we will be dry atleast the rest of today...getting kind of dry down here...talked to huggins and we unfortunately missed the 1.25" you guys go sat. night.....Kyle
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Ken cen-pa
Posted 7/6/2011 18:40 (#1851343 - in reply to #1851260)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


cental pa along the Susquehanna River
We had 2.8 " Sat night here. It was very much appreciated. Looks like a chance next couple days so hopefully you all will get some. Well later got to go gather bales.
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Plow79
Posted 7/6/2011 00:30 (#1850581 - in reply to #1850044)
Subject: RE: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?



Chilliwack BC
We have a Deere 700 v-rake basket and a Claas 1550 two rotor side deliver rotor.

corners


The rotary has rear steering that follows off the two-point, as well as a cylinder so you can steer it as well.

very heavy hay


Both will handle it but the rotary can handle more.


We use the rotary for silage and the basket for hay.
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cordellh
Posted 7/6/2011 01:01 (#1850607 - in reply to #1850044)
Subject: RE: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


I went through the same line of questioning last year when upgrading to a different rake. Here is the long and short of what i came up with. The neighbor has a nice twin rotary rake that will put two swaths together. He loves the rake and feels it does an excellent job but discouraged me buying one as when it breaks down, which he said with all the cams and pivots and gearboxes it does, he is down and his hay is not getting raked. In our area anyway, no one stocks any parts for these rakes and it is always a wait to get the unit fixed. I have some college buddies that do custom hay out west, running 5 rakes and 4 sp windrowers, and they were twin rakes all the way. I went that route because I thought i could match my basket speed with the conditions and have a little more reliability. I got a vermeer R2800 and so far like it. I think that if the hydraulic switching block were to go out it would be very expensive however. a used unit like this would sell now for about $17000. it has a 28' reach and seems really well built. Regrets..... no option for center kicker wheel - so putting three swaths together is not an option if you want to lift center swath. there is a learning curve to unfolding and using the switching console, so just throwing the wife or unintelligent help in the cab is out. the wheel rakes might be a better bet because of ease of use, parts availability, cost, and speed. if you're down a tractor you can pull a wheel rake with a pickup =) I didn't like how the wheel rake i had rolled the hay but in reality they all do. I definetly have less ash (sand) content with the basket, but i sell the hay and there are no rfv tests that show ash content, let alone anybody looking for that figure. So... looking back i might just go with the wheel rake - you can get a brand spanking new one for considerably less than you'll end up spending for a nice basket and WAy less than the rotarys. My two cents brother.
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rank
Posted 7/6/2011 01:45 (#1850624 - in reply to #1850607)
Subject: Re: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


SEON
well here's my $.02.

I tried a twin rotor two years ago. I really wanted it to work out because I love the fluffy winrow but it shattered the leaves too badly to be of any use to me. We had to rake the hay way before it was ready to bale when the hay was still damp to keep the leaves on, but that involved a fair amount of meteorology/crystal ball reading. Also, we could never get the height set right.....it would either miss hay or excavate dirt. We went back to the vee wheel rakes and we only rake what we know we can get baled...i.e. right in front of the balers.
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Big Square
Posted 7/6/2011 23:53 (#1851993 - in reply to #1850607)
Subject: RE: Basket rakes vs rotary rakes?


Eastern Half of Kansas
Vermeer R2800 does have an option for to move the center windrow so it is disturbed and not throwing hay on top of it. If you pick up some new sales brochue,(sp) you should find it.
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