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Chris22
Posted 5/29/2011 21:53 (#1798309)
Subject: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Wisconsin
Just curious as to what you guys think about the 1980's combines. Which is the better combine? I've heard a lot of good things about the 20 series and I'm even a red guy. What do you think of the Sidehill? Any tips would be great! Thanks.
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Magnum Power
Posted 5/29/2011 21:55 (#1798312 - in reply to #1798309)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


What will you be combining? For corn and soybeans I would say the red one.
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twraska
Posted 5/29/2011 22:00 (#1798323 - in reply to #1798312)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Wallis, TX
Magnum Power - 5/29/2011 21:55

What will you be combining? For corn and soybeans I would say the red one.


I agree and I'd add milo as well. If you update the rotor it will cut rice too. For that matter, if you really want to you can update it to almost be a 1660 except for the cab.
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Chris22
Posted 5/29/2011 22:02 (#1798326 - in reply to #1798323)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Wisconsin
We'd be combining corn and soybeans. Why would you guys recommend the IH? Faster harvesting?
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twraska
Posted 5/29/2011 22:06 (#1798334 - in reply to #1798326)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Wallis, TX
Chris22 - 5/29/2011 22:02

We'd be combining corn and soybeans. Why would you guys recommend the IH? Faster harvesting?


I'd say a cleaner sample and less loss, at least that has been my experience here.
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hinfarm
Posted 5/29/2011 22:08 (#1798342 - in reply to #1798326)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



Amherst WI
Faster fixing, I would say they are both similar in capcity. Both are good machines though.
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boog
Posted 5/29/2011 22:21 (#1798384 - in reply to #1798326)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



The 1460 has less moving parts so reqires less to repair. Also, almost any upgrade CIH has put out will fit into any of their machines. Local processor ( food products) use to conduct seminars for JD guys on how to set their combines to get the best product for their (the processor's) needs. I once asked why they didn't offer similiar siminars for the IH / CIH machines & was told there was no need to, that they could tell by the sample whether it was harvested by a red or green machine.

I ran a 1440 for 10 yrs, most trouble free combine I ever owned.

Edited by boog 5/29/2011 22:22
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Mark (EC,IN)
Posted 5/29/2011 22:04 (#1798330 - in reply to #1798309)
Subject: RE: IH 1460 (nt)



Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana
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ihmanky
Posted 5/29/2011 22:18 (#1798377 - in reply to #1798330)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



KY
I second the clean sample on the IH. You may be able to dig up an early 1640-60 red one in your price range. The 14's are just about as slick, and for my buck anyway, red ones are easier to work on, and I don't care what anyone says, anything that age is gonna have breakdowns, no matter the color! If I had something newer than 25 years old, maybe I wouldn't know that firsthand!
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kendallfarmer
Posted 5/29/2011 22:18 (#1798375 - in reply to #1798309)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Northern Illinois
1460, good combine! Just retired Dads. Made lots of updates to it such as clean grain elevator out of 2166,so we could have the 45 degree for our hopper topper, 30.5-32s and dads was pre electic for\aft , brother added a multiplier on the hydraulics for the unload, just flipped toggle switch for for\aft,neutral,or to swing the unload. good machine.
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Chris22
Posted 5/29/2011 22:46 (#1798448 - in reply to #1798375)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Wisconsin
How many hours is a lot of hours for a combine? 4000?
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Kooiker
Posted 5/30/2011 00:50 (#1798643 - in reply to #1798448)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



When you're talking about a 30 yr old combine with over 2000 hrs on it hrs matter way less than condition.

 

A 1460 with 4000 hrs may have had almost everything replaced in the last 500-1000 hrs and be in better shape than a 1460 with 3000 hrs that has had very little done to it as far as replacing major items.

 

 

FWIW our 1640 has ~3300 hrs on it and I'm not at all scared to run it for a while yet.  It has had some work done to it and will need more done to it but it is easy to work on if you have any mechanical skills at all.

  It will likely be here until we need a bigger combine.

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hinfarm
Posted 5/30/2011 00:50 (#1798644 - in reply to #1798448)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



Amherst WI
My 1460 has 6300ish. I saw a 1660 on tractorhouse that had 8700ish on it. Bushels wear a combine out more than hours.
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TP from Central PA
Posted 5/29/2011 23:02 (#1798485 - in reply to #1798309)
Subject: RE: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


I like the fact the IH is very easy to update and the OEM and aftermarket has A LOT to offer. Like the others have said they have half the components of the JD and IMO they are easier to get to. With that said, a 7720 can be a good solid machine, I am not sold however on having more potential headaches on a machine when different brand will do the same job with half the problems. About the only pro the JD has going for it IMO, is the straw is nicer to bale if you have that need, but depending on who you ask, alot of guy like the straw out the back of the Axial's so even that is debateable.

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mschultz
Posted 5/30/2011 00:48 (#1798641 - in reply to #1798485)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Oregon
The 7720 is hell to work on. The 1460 not so bad. -Mike
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ss@WC Iowa
Posted 5/30/2011 01:57 (#1798677 - in reply to #1798309)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



Coon Rapids,Iowa
Go with the 1460. Once you have run a rotary combine, you will never go back to a conventioal machine.
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derby
Posted 5/30/2011 07:52 (#1798754 - in reply to #1798677)
Subject: Try to find..


 a Massey 850 or 860!

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Cliff SEIA
Posted 5/30/2011 09:26 (#1798854 - in reply to #1798754)
Subject: RE: Try to find..


I hope that is a joke!  I know there were some guys around here who went from fairly low hour 750/850/860 combines to much higher hour Axial Flows and saw about a 90% reduction in down time.

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dvswia
Posted 5/30/2011 08:02 (#1798765 - in reply to #1798677)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


sw corner ia.
I run a red rotary for a neighbor some every year, and I sure wouldn't trade my 9500 for it.
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FFJR
Posted 5/30/2011 08:45 (#1798809 - in reply to #1798309)
Subject: RE: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



nc IA
I was in the same situation about 3 years ago. I bought a 1460. I have a good local salvage yard where I can pick stuff off of machines. between that and Shoup I only need to buy retail about 1/10th of my parts each year. The rest is at discount. Pros - I've never run a combine before, or been around one for much, and I've been able to work on everything thus far on my own.

The ease of upgrades is wonderful. If you want a AFX style rotor - it will take it. I am putting in a cross flow fan kit this summer I salvaged over the winter. (same fan as a 2166).

Later ones are nicer (updates) (82 plus) but my 79 works great for me.
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big12cc
Posted 5/30/2011 12:11 (#1799077 - in reply to #1798809)
Subject: RE: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


nw iowa
we run both and only real plus to the deere is better chopping of bean stalks exiting the rear.if i had to decide on one or the other as our only combine i'd have to vote red.
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mirageflats
Posted 5/30/2011 14:12 (#1799219 - in reply to #1799077)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Nebraska
As many of the guys have commented, the red machine is much easier to work on and the cleaning is far superior. The only downside is that it is difficult to do any bailing of straw behind the red one. I have been through my 1660 and have done all repairs on my own other than replacing seals on the motor and things of that nature. They are easy to set and the samples are second to none. I would suggest looking for a 1660-1688. The cabs are much nicer and have a lot of updates although the 1460 will do a lot of work for the money.
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versatileman
Posted 5/30/2011 15:12 (#1799258 - in reply to #1799219)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Roseau, MN
I don't know why anyone would want a 20 series JD, you sit offset so you can't see the right side of a bean head. Everything on them is levers, feels like you're running an old grader down a gravel road. You sit right next to the engine so noise is an issue. I have no beefs with a red machine.... simple design but I will still stick with my gleaners. I can have a rotor laying on the ground in under 20 minutes..... do that with a red machine.
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tractor5488
Posted 5/30/2011 15:28 (#1799269 - in reply to #1799258)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Stamford Texas
I have experience with masseys,gleaners,john deere,and the axial flow, oh i forgot all crop60,66 the axial flow is the simplest easiest machine to maintain and if any of the john deere guys remember lifting the seat up to replace a belt on the 20 series they will know what i am talking about being as the 50,60, and 7088 combines are nothing but the old 1480 improved over the years means they got it right the first time
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mschultz
Posted 5/30/2011 17:05 (#1799337 - in reply to #1799258)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Oregon
Funny you mention the Deere controls. I was at a big auction a while ago. There was a low-hour 7720. After having spent a large part of my childhood at those controls, it was surprising how nostalgic I was when I sat in that combine again at auction. Sitting up against that control panel on the right, with the heat cranked up during corn harvest and missing school! Well, that was a pretty good deal! Hanging upside down over the back of the engine trying to spin on a new oil filter with the ol'man yelling? Not so much fun. -Mike
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Steiger Man
Posted 5/30/2011 22:48 (#1799862 - in reply to #1799258)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Sunburst Montana

I would like to know why that is so important to be able to have the rotor on the ground that fast.  Everybody I know that has a rotary has never had the rotor out of their combine. 

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hinfarm
Posted 5/30/2011 23:00 (#1799891 - in reply to #1799862)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720



Amherst WI
I'm wondering the same thing too. I have only put 800 hrs on my axial flow but put another 2-300 hrs on other peoples axial flows (they weren't close to new either) and have yet to have a reason to put the rotor on the shop floor.

I have always thought Deere's "sticks" until the 9X00's were a joke. Gleaner had a "stick" back in the late 50's that could run speed and header height. It took Deere almost 40 years to accomplish the same thing, and people thought IH was bad about "innovation".
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Steiger Man
Posted 5/30/2011 23:11 (#1799905 - in reply to #1799891)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Sunburst Montana

I know guys who have been running the same AF for 10 to almost 20 years and never had the rotor out.  I've collected some old combines including an Gleaner A2.  It has the "stick" like you described.  But it has some slop in it and one of the rods is bent.  No doubt it was innovative but what was wrong with have a couple of levers on the steering console or beside you like on the Masseys.  The ones on my 95 and 55 are still tight and work great. 

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easymoney
Posted 5/30/2011 18:31 (#1799416 - in reply to #1798309)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


ecmn
i am going to guess that red guys will say buy red, and green guys will say buy green.

I am a 20 series man myself. they are easy to work on, easy to dial in for a clean job of little loss and clean tank sample. tons of after market upgrades out there. not hard to move them up a class size with after market parts. I can get as clean a sample as any other combine out there, i can get my field loss as little as any combine out there. its a matter of walking around the machine and doing adjustments/maintenance/repairs irregardless of color.

now my neighbor is a red guy, if a john deere won a contest he would still say the red won it. so he will tell you the same thing about his old rotary that i said about my old deere.
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Steiger Man
Posted 5/30/2011 22:43 (#1799855 - in reply to #1799416)
Subject: Re: IH 1460 vs John Deere 7720


Sunburst Montana

I think your statement sums it up pretty good.  Both are good machines.  My experience is on the 20 series but I wouldn't have a problem taking a IH 14 series over a Massey or Gleaner of that era.  Now I live and farm in the wheat belt so I don't know about corn and beans.  But I will put the samples that came out of our 8820s against any machine out there new and old and even current JD combines.  Yes they have lots of moving parts and belts.  But if you do some good maintenance to them, they will run just as long as any Axial Flow between breakdowns.  Plus you have to love that starting motor they had for reversing the feederhouse when JD had a real one.  I have enough neighbors running AFs to know they break down too in the field.  Our 8820s have been the most reliable and best cleaning combines we ever had.  I know they are not the most comfortable to run now.  But the 8820 was the first combine I ran by myself (12 years old).  I thought it was a good begginer's combine because the cab was closer to the left side so I could see the end of the header so I wouldn't leave skips or run into the truck when unloading on the go.  The crude (road grader) type levers I thought at the time were great because I felt more control through them then flicking a switch.  We run a couple of JD 9770s now but still have one 8820 left.  Its a dinosaur compared to today's machines.  But 3 years ago we couldn't get a 2nd combine to lease right away.  So we had to dig the 8820 out.  All we did was change oil and grease her up.  Ran 1,200 acres through it before our lease combine showed up.  In those 1,200 acres, only breakdowns was one of the injector lines springing a leak and the wire broke off the electric clutch.  Not bad for a 28 year old combine.



Edited by Steiger Man 5/30/2011 22:45
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