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proud2Bafarmer
Posted 3/6/2011 09:33 (#1653327)
Subject: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


Baldwin City, KS
Same guys that I'm dealing with on the field cultivator have a phoenix harrow for sale. It is in good shape and I feel good about the price. I just don't know if it would be a good fit. My thoughts were that I could run it to warm up bean stubble ahead of the corn planter and use row cleaners. Maybe it would smooth out the Nh3 tracks. Do these have a purpose, or are they just a gimmick. It would also have to do the job of working in DAP and 0-0-60 if possible.
I have always wanted to try one, however, I don't know that I would ever be able to get rid of it, if it doesn't work for me.Thanks for the input.
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ezzard
Posted 3/6/2011 09:49 (#1653356 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


SE IA
They are getting more popular around here. I bought one and used it last year on bean stubble going to corn and it worked well except where the ground was really hard. In places it just seemed to fluff the residue and not much else. They also don't move enough dirt to fill any little washouts but it will work fine where you are just smoothing the Nh3 tracks, I use mine where we inject manure with a drag hose. I have also used it as a rotary hoe in corn, it works but not as well as a real rotary hoe.
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SDFarmboy
Posted 3/6/2011 09:53 (#1653367 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


See if you can try before you. I don't think they would be able to work in fert. into hard ground. With all the vert. tillage tools available these don't quite cut it.
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NMO Redpower
Posted 3/6/2011 09:54 (#1653371 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?



MO
Look at a Phillips before you buy a Phoenix. Much better setup IMO. I run mine after all my NH3, it does a great job. You need to be out running the harrow when its too wet to cultivate or disc. They don't do a whole lot in real dry, hard ground.
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Detroit
Posted 3/6/2011 12:05 (#1653669 - in reply to #1653371)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


Crawfordsville, Arkansas
I agree. Phoenix harrows are always cheaper than a Phillips and there's a reason for that. We bought a Phillips 4 or so years ago and it gets used on most fields in the spring and fall. It won't do a whole lot on deep tilled ground though. Just too much dirt and clods for it to do right.
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1000 moline
Posted 3/6/2011 09:59 (#1653381 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


South Eastern ,ILL
Had one, sold it after 3 years, like you, thought I had to have one , but it just didn't move enough dirt. Bought a Great Planes turbo-till really like it. Welded on that harrow a lot to.Everyone around here has gotten rid of them.
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Wilson 208
Posted 3/6/2011 10:56 (#1653518 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?



Macon, MO
We use ours for working in the chemical and fertilizer for the last few years and really like it but we work almost all of our ground.
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seedcleaner
Posted 3/6/2011 12:03 (#1653662 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


Mid-Missouri
phillips better than phoenix. we turned the two harrows around for more aggresion. good tool for certain apps.
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agcat985
Posted 3/6/2011 12:15 (#1653682 - in reply to #1653662)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


little dixie missouri
We tryed a pheonix out then a phillips....bought the phillips.....work good and can cover alot of ground in a hurry
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ThyFarms
Posted 3/6/2011 12:46 (#1653744 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


EC ND
great tool for when the ground is wet in the spring........works a lot better than a vertical tillage tool to break that crust. A LOT lighter machine. havnt used a phillips yet but got one last summer at auction sale because our phoenix has some 'issues'. the phoenix has payed for itself many times on our farm.
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pete4me
Posted 3/6/2011 13:41 (#1653857 - in reply to #1653744)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


North Dakota
We have a 60 foot phoenix harrow. We spread urea in to standing sunflower stalks then run the phoenix over to incoporate the urea and knock down the stalks. It works pretty well. We tried it in soybean stubble. It covered up the urea well but fluffed the material up to much. We were afriad we would have trouble getting through with the no till drill. They will help smooth out the ruts in a field to a point but wont make them smooth. We have a granular box on ours to put dry granulars down for our sunflowers and peas and incoporate it in one pass.
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darb
Posted 3/6/2011 14:58 (#1653993 - in reply to #1653327)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


EC Indiana
If it is 42' and in good condition, it is a $10-15k tool. 15 is the high side and would have to be less than 5 years old and like new. We bought one last year. Idea of knocking down GMO corn stalks so they would break down quicker, and not cause problems with grain platform during harvest. We had a very wet spring, (was almost July before we finished planting) we ended up using it to scratch up wet ground trying to dry it out a little just to be able to drag planter over it. We used it on some bean stubble ahead of corn planter. Looked neat, but don't think it accomplished anything. Tried using it in the fall to help seed some annual rye. Spread the rye with truck then drug harrow. This probably would have worked but, we had no moisture for germination. Was told that it will work very well taring up stalks if you use it when they are frozen. We have not tried that yet.

Major negative: They will find bunches of fist size up to softball size rocks and lay them right on top of the ground. They will also throw a turtle about 50 feet in the air.

If you can buy it right, give it a try. I think I could live without mine, but I think I had to own one to figure it out for myself. I am beginning to think the corn stalk problem during soybean harvest may be best solved with a land roller.
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crabby
Posted 3/6/2011 15:38 (#1654067 - in reply to #1653993)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a phoenix harrow?


SW Missouri
I have phoenix, tried both & like it better than the Phillips. I try to notill all I can usually & sometimes they are all that saved me from not getting a crop in. Hit it one day when it's too wet to plant & come back the next day and a little dust will fly & plants fine. Moves enough dirt to level out nh3 tracks fine. People complain that it won't move enough if the grounds hard. My thinking is that if it's that hard it should plant fine anyway. I'm not talking drought kinda hard but hard spots within a field that the rest of the field needs dried out. If it's drought hard but has enough moisture at seed depth to germ I just crank the down pressure up & plant or run the Salford RTS if I need some loose dirt or some leveling.
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