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IowaMark
Posted 1/23/2011 10:58 (#1566776)
Subject: Flex auger boot question



NW Iowa. / SW Arizona
I have a number of Chore Time flex auger boots on the bottom of bulk bins. Over the years I have tried different feed combinations added to the feed with good results except in the winter time when it is real cold. When I add a liquid supplement to the cold corn it will cause the liquid to "ball" up & it sometimes will get bad enough to plug the boot bottom to where the feed won't feed into the flex auger.

My question is have any of you taken out the flat metal plate at the bottom of the boot that acts like a restrictor? And if you did can you tell any differance in the way the system works? This is where the balls are collecting & causing the problem. I have not talked to Chore Time about it to see if it would be a problem but probably should.
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EO dan
Posted 1/23/2011 11:52 (#1566883 - in reply to #1566776)
Subject: Re: Flex auger boot question


cobden, ontario
Back when we had hogs we had problems with plugging in the same spot with meal type feeds. Often had clumps in the bin that would come down and block the auger so we took those slides right out. There was a shot put type ball that we could have used that would sit above the auger that would bounce off the flighting to break the feed up and keep it moving. This was in a poly bin. But no it never gave us any trouble running the auger with those slides out, maybe just dont throw them away
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Chip B
Posted 1/23/2011 13:39 (#1567167 - in reply to #1566776)
Subject: Re: Flex auger boot question


Van Meter IA
We put up a new barn in 07 that has a pass through system. We had to take the resrictors out of one of the bins, I forget which one. We also have the balls in ours to rattle. It doesn't make a bit of difference with them in or with them out. We never had problems with balls of feed as much as feed hanging up and it didn't help us a bit. You would have to beat on the bins everyday with a rubber mallet to knock the feed down. We switched feed mills and have not had the problem since.
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Kooiker
Posted 1/23/2011 15:49 (#1567519 - in reply to #1566776)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



Be very careful about taking those restrictors out.

 

If this auger only feeds out of one bin you probably wouldn't have any trouble taking the restrictor out because the tube on the anchor bearing limits how much feed can get into the auger.

If this auger can feed off of two bins DO NOT take the restrictor out of the bin that is closest to the building.  You WILL plug the auger, its not if but when.

Go ahead and try it if you don't want to listen to my experience.

 

Do you have the "shot put" balls in the boots?  If not I'd try that 1st, they seem to help "here".

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IowaMark
Posted 1/23/2011 22:33 (#1568540 - in reply to #1566776)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



NW Iowa. / SW Arizona
Thanks for the replies guys. Yes I do have the shot ball in the boot for rattling the feed. I am only feeding one feed line per bin. Ross I had heard from years ago about over feeding the auger system. That's kind of why I put a post on here to see what experiance anybody had trying to take it out. Did you say you did try it for a single feed line? I can see where feeding two lines could present a problem. Thanks again everybody. Mark
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Kooiker
Posted 1/23/2011 22:47 (#1568571 - in reply to #1568540)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



We've got several single bin augers that don't have any sort of baffle in them and have very very rarely had any problem with them.

The piece of tubing on the anchor bearing that slides inside the flighting acts as a restrictor to limit the amount of feed the auger takes.  As long as you never cut that piece of tubing shorter you should be fine unless your motor is undersized.

 

When you go to a tandem bin setup the second bin doesn't have an anchor and if you don't have a way to restrict the flow of feed into the flighting I'll promise you it will plug and it doesn't matter how big your motor is it isn't going to turn it.

 

I've got one plugged right now and I'm hoping it warms up soon because it is a real PITA to unplug a flex auger. Pretty much involves pulling the flighting out to empty it out and then reinstall it, never fun but even less fun when its sub-zero. 

I'm pretty sure my plugged up auger had to do with all of the snow that I got in the bins about 6 or so weeks ago (whenever that blizzard was), haven't needed that feed line since then but I will need it soon.

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Plow79
Posted 1/24/2011 00:05 (#1568711 - in reply to #1568571)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



Chilliwack BC
When you go to a tandem bin setup the second bin doesn't have an anchor and if you don't have a way to restrict the flow of feed into the flighting I'll promise you it will plug and it doesn't matter how big your motor is it isn't going to turn it


That is very true!

We converted two single bins to tandem systems a month ago and wish I had read this then. I can't beleive how much more of a headache the tandem systems are. And we doubled from 3/4 to 1 1/2 hp motors at the same time too.
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Kooiker
Posted 1/24/2011 00:13 (#1568726 - in reply to #1568711)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



The tandem system has advantages but it definitely has one huge disadvantage.

As long as you know about it and don't have inexperienced/uneducated people messing with the slides it doesn't cause too much headache but when it does it is a migraine.

 

The dual auger tandem AP boots that I have have a different baffle in them than the single auger tandem Chore Time bins do.  IMHO the AP baffles work better, more fool proof.

 

As for the bins, the AP bin seems like its built as thick as a pop can, the CT bins seem to be built better.

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Plow79
Posted 1/24/2011 00:41 (#1568769 - in reply to #1568726)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



Chilliwack BC
We put a felt pen mark so we only open the slide up a certain amount.
I also rivited a plate over the restrictor to close it up even more.
Put a 10 foot restrictor pipe in the core of the auger from the end, to the second bin.
Double the HP of the motors.
Removed some molases from the feed so it flows better and takes less HP to auger. The cows still seem to eat it alright.

A combination of everything and it seems to work well now. There was a couple weeks that every few hours an auger would plug and would have to pull it. Ours are all Chore Time. What does AP stand for?
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Kooiker
Posted 1/24/2011 00:53 (#1568776 - in reply to #1568769)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



plow79 - 1/23/2011 23:41  Put a 10 foot restrictor pipe in the core of the auger from the end, to the second bin.

 

I've had thoughts of doing that.  Did it help?  Have you encountered any problems from doing that? 

I'm assuming the bins would need to be lined up nearly perfect to keep from wearing a hole in the pipe between the bins.

 

AP = Automated Production Systems,  another company that sells feed bins, feed line parts and a whole lot of other stuff related to livestock.

http://www.automatedproduction.com/english/swine/swine.htm

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Plow79
Posted 1/25/2011 00:31 (#1571067 - in reply to #1568776)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



Chilliwack BC
As per the picture, when we set up the tandem auger, Bin B had feed in it and Bin A, being new was empty. Even with more stretch in the the auger than normal, the end of the flex auger would shoot out the end of Bin A, and it sounded like a combination of a jackhammer and jet engine.

Did it help?


The 10 foot restrictor stopped the auger from shooting out and made it run way quieter. It is a straight run between the bins so pipe worked well. The bin guys said they've heard of using a piece of hose.

Have you encountered any problems from doing that?


We thought we had the problem licked until Bin B emptied and we closed the slide and opened the slide on Bin A and it ran for about 10 seconds before plugging. We then tried all the other stufff i mentioned in the other post. I think the pipe does create more friction and resistance, but it is required for us when feeding out of Bin B. The auger tubing between the two bins should also be steel as there seems to be more wear. It is only a piece of 1" pipe welded to the core of the other bin and takes a couple minutes. It might be worth a try and you can cut it off if it doesn't work.


I sort of drew a picture of our setup and it still plugged so the rule of going to the right doesn't work here. Red in the picture is auger tubing. Blue is core restrictor pipe. Hope that helps.




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Ridger
Posted 1/23/2011 22:55 (#1568591 - in reply to #1566776)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



SMN
Have 9 CTB flex feed bins, all single feed. When replacing a boot I always take the restrictor plate out and toss it in the scrap pile. The tube in the bearing end can be cut to allow more feeding volume. This is how it was done all those years before they put the plate in, probably suggested by the legal department.
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fuelfarmer
Posted 1/24/2011 08:18 (#1568984 - in reply to #1566776)
Subject: Re: Flex auger boot question


Virginia
I run two systems with three bins on one auger. On the system where the auger turns to the right to enter the barn I have no problems at all. I can run all slides open at the same time. One tank out of three has no restrictor. The system that turns to the left to enter the barn was another story. I tried putting a long tube inside the flex auger past the third bin and that did not solve the problems of jamming, or the plastic auger tube wearing through in just a few weeks. I now have a second drive under the boot on bin 3 that pulls feed out of bins 1 and 2 and drops the feed into the auger that feeds out of bin 3 when bin 3 is empty. If I knew then what I know now, I would have moved the tank pad so both systems made right hand turns.
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IowaMark
Posted 1/24/2011 11:58 (#1569368 - in reply to #1568984)
Subject: Re: Flex auger boot question



NW Iowa. / SW Arizona
I was told 20 years ago to never have let hand turn if at all possible. It will definitely wear your corners out faster they say. I guess you can agree with that statement.
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IowaMark
Posted 1/24/2011 12:03 (#1569375 - in reply to #1566776)
Subject: RE: Flex auger boot question



NW Iowa. / SW Arizona
I talked with my auger system dealer this morning & he highly recommended not taking out the restrictor at the base of the boot. He said the chances of plugging the auger are alot greater by doing that. He thinks it could over load system. He says they put that in for a reason. So I guess I'll just leave things the way they are. Thanks for all the input. Mark
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