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mounder
Posted 12/21/2010 09:03 (#1498400)
Subject: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


N.W. Illinois
I'm going with Pioneer 3780. Hard to believe that the 3780 genetics is almost 40 years old. For us 3780 had no peerrs. High yields, especially for a fairly early corn,great plant health, and very good dry down. Our Pioneer dealer(SW Wisconsin) sold 8,000+ bags a year of 3780 for a number of years. Anyone know who the geneticist was that came up with the 3780 breeding for Pioneer?
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usafarmer
Posted 12/21/2010 09:10 (#1498421 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Newfane NY
Old ones for us would be Pioneer 3901, 3905 and Dekalb XL-12.

Modern ones for us would be Bird B-56v and the Bird family of B-64.

I am sure 1st Choice will have some in there next year.

John
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fminder
Posted 12/21/2010 11:48 (#1498676 - in reply to #1498421)
Subject: 3901


Wasnt 3901 the one with the long shank, and stuck straight out? Really "showy" looking?
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dmanuel
Posted 12/21/2010 09:16 (#1498428 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


In 1977 drought (iowa ) neighbor had a full 80 of 3780 and didn't fill a 400 bushel grain truck .
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pbutler
Posted 12/21/2010 09:17 (#1498429 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



Macon, IL
52-59 holds the record on my farm, unfortunately it was only over about 4.5 acres. The next year I put it on 20 acres it was one of my worst.

Year in year out 61-69 has been my best.
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mounder
Posted 12/21/2010 12:42 (#1498745 - in reply to #1498429)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


N.W. Illinois
52-59 would be second on my list for all time favorite. We've planted it 4 or 5 years know and it just keeps cranking along. Without a fungicide application it would be history for us. It is a disaster without Headline. From what you said I think you are to far south for it to perform year in and year out.
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FromtheFlats
Posted 12/21/2010 09:22 (#1498441 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


EC IL
pioneer 3394 i think someone said back in its day that number alone was would have been the second largest seed company. But as with all of them something had to go wrong :)
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mid-mo
Posted 12/21/2010 09:35 (#1498469 - in reply to #1498441)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


cooper county Missouri
I agree with 3394...in 35yrs still the best I've ever had....
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jtmcc57
Posted 12/21/2010 12:34 (#1498733 - in reply to #1498469)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Bloomfield, KY.
Another vote for P3394. It was the best yielding corn for us up to that point.

We didn't plant a lot of it because most of our corn went for silage, and I seem to remember that it was not a big robust corn like you want for silage. In fact, I remember it as a rather ugly corn. That is until the combine pulled into the field. Then it turned into Angelina Jolie!

Jack McClaskey
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Ed Winkle
Posted 12/21/2010 10:48 (#1498607 - in reply to #1498441)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Martinsville, Ohio
I think so, in least in my time.

c38 and US 13 always came up from my dad and grandpa.

Any hybrid out performed open pollinated in those days.

My modern day vote would be B-81D from Bird Hybrids. It has to be my all time favorite, made me the most money.

There is a new 115 day hybrid that has big pearly kernals as my friends describe that acts like earlier season corn in our early notill.

3369 would be hard to beat but there was one before it that ruled the midwest, can't remember the hybrid, it was planted at the pre Farm Progess Show a few years ago if not later.

Ed
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Scott (OSU)
Posted 12/21/2010 20:51 (#1499537 - in reply to #1498607)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



Dalton, OH
I think I know which 115-day variety your're talking about and I'll be trying some this year. Hope its not too long for me on my southern ground.
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soil-life
Posted 12/21/2010 21:07 (#1499589 - in reply to #1499537)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


North Central Ohio, across the Corn belt !

Scott (OSU) - 12/21/2010 20:51 I think I know which 115-day variety your're talking about and I'll be trying some this year. Hope its not too long for me on my southern ground.
a 114 day corn was the best yielder very close to Your Southern Operation Scott.  

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NoTillBill
Posted 12/21/2010 21:53 (#1499715 - in reply to #1499589)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Beck 6733 has been dominate in our area the past few years. and I mean DOMINATE
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Scott (OSU)
Posted 12/22/2010 07:06 (#1500247 - in reply to #1499589)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



Dalton, OH
That makes me feel a little better. Currently been planting 110-112 day corn. Could have had 120-day corn this year, but who knows waht next will bring!
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Scillfarmer
Posted 12/21/2010 09:32 (#1498462 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



southern edge of central illinois
I'll second 3394. It was the best for years. You could plant it anywhere. Came up great. At the end though, epic fail.
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soil consult
Posted 12/21/2010 09:39 (#1498477 - in reply to #1498462)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


SE SD
In the shorter maturity 3751 had a long run in a few areas
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Ed Winkle
Posted 12/21/2010 10:50 (#1498612 - in reply to #1498462)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Martinsville, Ohio
It was like glyphosate, too many people used it too long.

Ed
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Owatonna
Posted 12/21/2010 09:49 (#1498492 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: When it comes to market share, . . .


. . . Pioneer 3780 was the all time leader - hands down.  It was a game changer for Pioneer, sending them on a 30 year dominance of the seed industry (and making millionaires out of a lot of employees).  No one hybrid will ever come close again, mainly because there are too many offerings and the life cycle of a product is too short.

Edited by Owatonna 12/21/2010 10:04
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flatlick farmer
Posted 12/21/2010 09:54 (#1498503 - in reply to #1498492)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



West Kentucky
7997 or 7916 Becks has been hard to beat in the last 10 years.
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KBomar
Posted 12/21/2010 18:59 (#1499245 - in reply to #1498503)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Henry Co. Tenn
My first time to grow 7916 was this year and I really like the plant health. Never seen a corn in such drought and excessive heat conditions to stand out and literally proclaim "what you think this is hot"
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MRK
Posted 12/21/2010 10:00 (#1498514 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


LG 2540, Its a workhorse, 10 years old and still running strong today. Never seen it fall flat of have stalk quality problems. consistant performance every year for us. How many hybrids 10 years old do you still see in the book today?
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kmk
Posted 12/21/2010 14:05 (#1498870 - in reply to #1498514)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



West Central IL
Agrigold 6395 has been one of the best of all times hands down.
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SeedGuy1
Posted 12/21/2010 19:17 (#1499292 - in reply to #1498870)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


without 6395 monsanto would probably own Agrigold and all the sister companies.
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notilltom
Posted 12/21/2010 10:03 (#1498521 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: was 3780 a B73 cross?



Oswald No-Till Farm Cleghorn, IA
If memory serves, I am thinking that 3780 was an early Pioneer x B73 and 3541 was a later B73 cross. 3541 didn't work "here" that well as we didn't have the heat to drive it while 30 miles away 3541 was a barn burner. Between those two, Pioneer sold a lot of seed especially considering that both had quite a bit of ear flex requiring only 2/3 the population we use now.

We used a lot of 3780 on this farm at the time. It "made" Pioneer around here similar to how some of the hot Dekalb (Monsanto) parents "made" a market for Dekalb 5 years ago.

3780 could really get hit with corn borer with respective ear drop. On the bean walking crew there were times we could see where Dad planted it the year before due to the amount of volunteer corn. Even with ear drop, it would often out yield other genetics. It was the beginning of high yield/moisture expectations that we all enjoy now.

I think the last big year for that line was in the early-mid 1980's. By then, 3732 Pioneer came along and would beat 3780 IF you were to increase population for 3732 to run. I began running the planter in 1984 and remember my first year planting at 24,000 moving up to 26,000 now up to 32-34,000.

1983 was hard on 3780 due to heat sensitivity. By 1988, 3475 was dominating Pioneer sales around here and it too had issues with heat because it set-up grain fairly early and often died prematurely.

By the early 1990's Pioneer dominated with 3737/3751 in the early slot and 3394 through the heart of the cornbelt. At its peak, 3394 was on more acres than any other seed company had in total acres. But, we eventually learned that GLS would take it big time.

I don't remember other brands much before then as I was too young but do know that Grandpa liked Dekalb more than Pioneer because Grandpa didn't like Wallace's politics from way back.

The history of the seed industry is rather interesting for sure.

Tom



Edited by notilltom 12/21/2010 10:06
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Owatonna
Posted 12/21/2010 10:11 (#1498544 - in reply to #1498521)
Subject: I believe . . .


. . . it was.  Don't you ever think it would be interesting to put a couple of those products in our plots today, just for curiosity's sake?  I suspect the seed companies have done so and know the results. 
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mounder
Posted 12/21/2010 11:24 (#1498646 - in reply to #1498521)
Subject: RE: was 3780 a B73 cross?


N.W. Illinois
Pioneer had quite a run going in our area too. 3732 was the first corn we ever planted that could yield 200 bu. It used to turn purple if we had a cool wet spring but always came out of it. 3475 had a natural toxin for corn borer. Of course now corn borer are a thing of the past. We use to fly on granular Furidan for corn borer control on 3732.
For us the shorter season Pioneer numbers just didn't cut it after 3732. 3563 was just ok. DSM always had a excuse for why it wasn't better. 3417 was good for 2 years then fell apart. 3394 lasted 3 years here before GLS made it into a 100 day corn or less. Pioneers run was over here after 3394. One other thing I forgot about 3780 was the heavy test weight. 3780 was ahead of it's time in so many ways. I wish I still had a 3780 metal field sign.
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BSchroeder
Posted 12/21/2010 10:09 (#1498537 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Devils Lake, ND
Pioneer 3162 in the SW.
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Red/Green
Posted 12/21/2010 10:21 (#1498559 - in reply to #1498537)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Elizabethtown,KY
Back in the day Pioneer 3369A was hard to beat down here.
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mltaseia
Posted 12/21/2010 10:52 (#1498614 - in reply to #1498559)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


agency, iowa
weve had good luck with pioneer 33p67.
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jtmcc57
Posted 12/21/2010 12:29 (#1498723 - in reply to #1498559)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Bloomfield, KY.
P3369A ruled the UK trials for several years.

Took me 2 years to talk my Dad into spending that much for some 69A seed. It cost $34.50/bag in 1974. Outrageous!

Jack McClaskey
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cil
Posted 12/21/2010 12:06 (#1498696 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


central Illinois
dekalb 45 but that tells my age
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OHKen
Posted 12/21/2010 12:08 (#1498700 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Ohio
I remember dad planting Dekalb XL45 and my memory tells me a hybrid that was really popular for a short time T1100 (Trojan?) . Pioneer 3535 was a real workhorse in it's day.
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jtmcc57
Posted 12/21/2010 12:25 (#1498720 - in reply to #1498700)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Bloomfield, KY.
A Pioneer rep from Michigan told me that in 1992(?) 3535 stood for 35% moisture and 35# test weight. Must not have liked that year.lol

I'm sure it was a good one, just not in Michigan that year!

Jack McClaskey
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cornspank
Posted 12/21/2010 13:18 (#1498784 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Pioneer 3394 was the rise and fall of Pioneer. That thing alone was the 2nd largest seed company out there. A buddy of mines dad was a DSM for them back in the day and sold 150,000 units of it! As far as I know he still holds the record for Pioneer for the largest volume ever. But then Gray Leaf Spot showed up and there was an epic failure. Pioneer's breeders clung onto that female like glue and that's why they have had all the problems that they do since then. Most of their hybrids look the same and aren't very healthy. Just goes to show how important genetic diversity is in your hybrid lineup.
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Mark (EC,IN)
Posted 12/21/2010 13:41 (#1498817 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana
This is going to vary a lot with where you are located, but for my area (and myself) a few that seemed to be a round a long time were:

Dekalb XL45A

Pioneer 3369A

Golden Harvest 2600 (had to enjoy running the head low and going one way but it would yield (LoL))

Pioneer 33Y18

And the most recent has been Dekalb 61-72 (my refuse corn....has been in the top three the past three years).

I suppose it is the new breeding, but a hybrid doesn't seem to last as long as they used to.

................................Mark
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Illini Fan
Posted 12/21/2010 20:58 (#1499563 - in reply to #1498817)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



Greene County, Illinois

I think you're thinking of Golden harvest 2500.  Great yield, but liked to lie on the ground.

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Growbig123
Posted 12/21/2010 13:45 (#1498831 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: 61-21 LOL


ND
Okay maybe not from what I've read here the last month or two.
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deereman05
Posted 12/21/2010 14:01 (#1498864 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Your moms house
For Nebraska in the early 2000's it was P33B51 and 33P67.
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DSJRC2008
Posted 12/21/2010 14:21 (#1498895 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


52-40 and 60-18 Dekalb were two hall of famers that brought people back to the company. I would also put a nod in for Mycogen 2652 and 2657
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Midsize farmer
Posted 12/21/2010 18:20 (#1499165 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


north central il
136 LH 82 then Pioneer 3394 then 1064 LH 185( best white cob in the 90s) then 311 LH 287, and today 6169 Dekalb holds todays title in our area.
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flatlick farmer
Posted 12/21/2010 22:38 (#1499874 - in reply to #1499165)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?



West Kentucky
I am going to have to admit KC that I am a little disappointed in your list. LOL!
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Midsize farmer
Posted 12/21/2010 22:53 (#1499918 - in reply to #1499874)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


north central il
Yea I know Flatlick but like honest Abe I can't tell a lie. Two those hybrids I'm sure you know and one of them you probably planted alot of. A full season 22 family if you get my drift. KC
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SeedGuy1
Posted 12/21/2010 19:16 (#1499288 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


One of the best numbers i ever saw was 33T90, that was till the ear would fall off to the ground. If Pioneer could have figured out how to keep that hybrid from dropping ears a lot of seed companies would have been out of business!
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ohio474
Posted 12/21/2010 19:25 (#1499311 - in reply to #1499288)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


north east ohio in the snow belt Ashtabula co

1973 up here ,Funks 4252 and Dekalb Xl 25 thats back when a lot of corn was still ear picked!
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mounder
Posted 12/22/2010 00:10 (#1500074 - in reply to #1499311)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


N.W. Illinois

Did you plant any Funks G4444? Another good hybrid in it's day. Easy one of our farms top 5. My Dad sold Funks and I remember 4444 being resistant to Southern Corn Leaf Blight which struck with a vengeance in 1971. My Dad planted a lot of 4444 that year not knowing the warm wet summer would bring one of the worst corn crop in years from the blight. Just dumb luck on our part. Southern Corn Leaf Blight was a disaster for Dekalb hybrids which had little to no resistance to it. It would take DeKalb 20 years to recover. Side note Funks sold out to Ciba Geigy and faded away. Ciba Geigy merged with Sandoz and became Novartis.
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pigfarmerj
Posted 12/21/2010 19:23 (#1499309 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


nw illinois
Forrest Troyer was the breeder of 3780 and another popular hybrid( I think 3751 but not sure).
http://cropsci.illinois.edu/faculty/troyer/

Another article I read said he developed 40 commercial hybrids that sold 60 million units of seed.

Edited by pigfarmerj 12/21/2010 19:27
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pharmer79
Posted 12/21/2010 21:56 (#1499721 - in reply to #1499309)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


EC WisconsiN
Dekalb 52-63 in my short career in farming. It set the bar high with its yield potential!
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mounder
Posted 12/21/2010 22:46 (#1499893 - in reply to #1499309)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


N.W. Illinois
Thanks for the name and link. I googled Forrest Troyer and came up with this http://magissues.farmprogress.com/PRA/PF06Jun09/pra003.pdf The James Dean connection is really something.
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pigfarmerj
Posted 12/21/2010 23:37 (#1500031 - in reply to #1499893)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


nw illinois
I met him once, he was being honored by the U of Ill. Seemed to be a genuine, humble man.
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twinrowboy
Posted 12/21/2010 22:00 (#1499742 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: MAX 86 nt


E.C. MI
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west illini
Posted 12/21/2010 22:58 (#1499933 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


IL
Burrus BX26 was the most consistant hybrid I have ever planted. I let Tom Burrus know my displeasure when they discontinued it
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wrangler82
Posted 12/21/2010 22:59 (#1499936 - in reply to #1499933)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


Enid,OK
P 3162 before GLS took it out
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cornerpost
Posted 12/22/2010 11:16 (#1500640 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: RE: Nominations for best seed corn variety of all time?


SE MN Still in Pothole Country
Farm east of Owatonna. If memory serves Pioneer 3751 came out in 1988 or 1987. It was good but not dominating until 1992. The years before that had plenty of heat units. In 1992 and 1993 3751 was absolutely the best hybrid you could plant here. One of those years we had a county corn growers plot. 3751 was not in the plot but planted in the rest of that field. It outyielded anything in the plot by 25 bushels an acre. 1992 and 1993 were cool years. In 1994 we had excellent conditions but no corn borers and 3751 was again as good as anything but maybe not better. In 1995 the corn borers attacked and they really liked 3751. I have to say that 3751 was the last dominant variety that Pioneer had for us. We liked 36B08 until 2005 when we got swamped by extended diapause rootworms. Quite an experience to have Croplan 364 standing like little soldiers on review while the 36B08 next to it looked like it was low crawling under machine gun fire.
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NoTillBill
Posted 12/22/2010 20:56 (#1501515 - in reply to #1500640)
Subject: RE: MidSize Farmer???


You talkin pedigrees?? that 311 LH287 had some flex like you wouldn't believe!! that thing was and is still dominate.

In fact, the 287s still dominate illinois. they are fantastic!!!!!!!
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Midsize farmer
Posted 12/22/2010 23:34 (#1501919 - in reply to #1501515)
Subject: Are you a Agrigold dealer?


north central il
Just kidding, I thought that male would have been done after the sheriff but everyone keeps crossing that thing. And yes there is a few good ones out there.
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nkrules
Posted 12/23/2010 00:04 (#1501961 - in reply to #1498400)
Subject: WHITE COB WONDER


NW Iowa
NK BT/LL version came out in 1996, was N67-T4, I think the exp number was 6800BT that first year. 110day corn sold by alot of companies at that time. Midwest 7711 was the same genetics in the mon810 bt version, but could never hang with NK BT11 version. Great corn, on irrigated ground with late season Nitrogen, 220-230b/acre.

More recent would have to be Dekalb 60-18TS. Brings a tear to my eye that they no longer offer it anymore. Never let me down, across the scale this year 244b/acre on a 40 acre field. Small plant with little trash in the Fall and a big flex ear.



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