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SOULESY
Posted 10/8/2010 13:01 (#1388188)
Subject: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT FIRES IN JD 60 SERIES COMBINES. MY HUSBAND JUST GOT ONE IN AUGUST AND IT CAUGHT FIRE WHILE DOING BEANS ON SUNDAY. BY THE TIME HE WAS NOTIFIED BY ONE OF OUR WORKERS THAT IT WAS ON FIRE THERE WAS NO TIME TO PUT IT OUT. NEEDLESS TO SAY THE COMBINE COMPLETELY BURNED.  IS IT TRUE THERE IS PROBLEM WITH THIS SERIES?  SEEMS TO BE AN AWFUL LOT OF FIRES THIS PAST WEEK AND A LOT ARE JD COMBINES.



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scott nelsen
Posted 10/8/2010 13:04 (#1388192 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Leeds, North Dakota
gotta keep them clean, its a issue with every color, darn dust sticks to everything, could try dragging chain to help with static electricity, scott.

Edited by scottnelsen 10/8/2010 13:05
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JohnW
Posted 10/8/2010 15:15 (#1388269 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


NW Washington
Combine fires are an endless battle. I think that insurance companies are eventually going to raise the cost of combine fire insurance high enough that Mother Deere, Agco, Claas and Case will have do more to control this problem

Edited by JohnW 10/8/2010 15:18




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bmw
Posted 10/8/2010 17:31 (#1388320 - in reply to #1388269)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


SCIL
Our 9660 STS nearly burnt last week. The air conditioning compressor locked up and sparks started flying. It was a very windy day so we had fire on both sides of the combine as well as on top of the fuel tank. We did manage to put it out with minimal damage.
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pjt
Posted 10/8/2010 20:42 (#1388474 - in reply to #1388269)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Princeton,IN
As long as the insurance is equitably priced between colors, why will the manufactures care what you pay for insurance? If one color becomes significantlly higher to insure, then and only then will the manufacturer care.
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PaKettle
Posted 10/8/2010 16:29 (#1388294 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES



Lenawee Co Michigan
Worst thing with the new combines is that plastic fuel tank. A small fire gets huge fast once it melts.

Never had a fire with our 6620 or 7720. Never had a neighbor burn one either.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 10/8/2010 16:50 (#1388306 - in reply to #1388294)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Flora IL
Did 9600's and 9610's have plastic fuel tanks? Seen a lot of those burn. It does seem like the 60 series is a bit popular for burning. On a year like this anything is possible. Very dry and lots of wind
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balefire
Posted 10/8/2010 22:50 (#1388694 - in reply to #1388306)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES



Oxford County, ON
Our 9610's tank is plastic.
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cornfrmr
Posted 10/8/2010 18:20 (#1388348 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


South Central Nebraska
They all will catch on fire, Deere by far has the biggest problem. I see the problem being Deere is all plastic, you can't put them out. The problem will not go away until Deere puts some steel back in them.

A couple of Lexions, including ours have showed up in the area partially because of all the Deere fires.
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SA USA
Posted 10/8/2010 18:28 (#1388355 - in reply to #1388348)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Hopkinsville KY
any of them will burn



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PaKettle
Posted 10/8/2010 18:46 (#1388373 - in reply to #1388355)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES



Lenawee Co Michigan
Good gravy! Burnt the tires clean off!

That combine was red at one time, right?
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SA USA
Posted 10/8/2010 18:50 (#1388376 - in reply to #1388373)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Hopkinsville KY
yup 2388, never found the source of the fire
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Eric9870
Posted 10/10/2010 07:41 (#1389832 - in reply to #1388376)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES



Upstate New York
Local salesman said that case has an issue with fuel lines cracking and causing fires. I had a neighbor that had his burn up, looked almost identical to your picture.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 10/9/2010 01:01 (#1388884 - in reply to #1388355)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Flora IL
Any will burn but some are more common than others. U don't see a lot of 2388's toast.
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Lil' Hoss
Posted 10/8/2010 19:23 (#1388407 - in reply to #1388348)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


NESD
There are more fires in Deere combines simply because there are more Deere combines in use, Law of averages.

I am not real familiar with the Red, Yellow, Silver combines but I doubt that they have a lot less plastic and it isn't likely to change any time soon.
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SOULESY
Posted 10/8/2010 19:39 (#1388420 - in reply to #1388407)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Never really thought about that, good point! Most of the combines around here are JD!
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cornfrmr
Posted 10/8/2010 22:38 (#1388673 - in reply to #1388407)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


South Central Nebraska
Around 5 out of 6 combine fires are Deere. I think they have about 3 in 6 market share now, correct me if wrong. That includes resales from all the burned ones.
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Chad H
Posted 10/9/2010 04:53 (#1388929 - in reply to #1388673)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


NE SD

More like 7 to 3 Deere to all others.

Our 7720 burned in Sunflowers though dad was able to put it out. No problems or any indications of problems here in recent years. Have to wonder what some of the combines look like before the fires.



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SOULESY
Posted 10/9/2010 09:58 (#1389148 - in reply to #1388929)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


SAW YOUR POST AND THOUGHT I WOULD POST A PICTURE AS TO WHAT OURS LOOK LIKE THE DAY OR SO AFTER WE GOT IT. HE HAS THE CORN HEAD ON BECASUE THEY DID A FEW ACRES OF CORN JUST TO GET THINGS SET UP.
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Chad H
Posted 10/10/2010 01:14 (#1389747 - in reply to #1389148)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


NE SD

Thank you, I couldn't tell whether it was an early or late 60 series by the burnt pictures. Ours are later model 60 series like that and we have had no problems, but usually, being overly dry during soybean harvest is not an issue here. Our engine compartments seem to stay very clean, unlike on the 96x0 walker machines we used to run.

As a side note, using all capital letters is the equivalent of yelling on most internet forums.

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Newguy
Posted 10/8/2010 22:53 (#1388703 - in reply to #1388407)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Renville Minnesota
Im with ya on law of averages, but FYI, Lexion is about 90% less plastic than red, green, other yellow, dunno bout silver.
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cornstalk
Posted 10/9/2010 00:56 (#1388881 - in reply to #1388703)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES



Anderson County Kansas
Lexions have very little plastic.

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Millhouse
Posted 10/8/2010 22:46 (#1388687 - in reply to #1388348)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


South-central Nebraska
When weighing Deere verses Lexion the fact that our 9660 had a couple small fires followed by burning up 60 acres and a lot of wiring helped us lean towards the Lexion. The engine compartment stays much cleaner on the Lexion and it has steel sidepanels, not plastic. I'm sure it will burn too so we try to take as many preventative measures to prevent as possible.
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cornfrmr
Posted 10/8/2010 18:27 (#1388354 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: NT/duplicate


South Central Nebraska
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Edited by cornfrmr 10/8/2010 18:30
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il weedman
Posted 10/8/2010 18:38 (#1388367 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


St. Charles, MO & Piper City, IL
60 series has a rotor issue that was fixed by replacing the roter 2 years ago on a 9760 I was operating then. It will start in the back of the rotor in the front support because of a gap issue. The new rotor fixes that problem. Only way to tell is remove the rotor. It will start in the front and spread out the back of the machine after it ties up in the rear beater and then through the chopper. With a tail wind it will start on the trash by the fuel tank. Happened to me more than once. Was lucky enough to catch it all the time until they replaced the rotor at no cost.
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John..neAR
Posted 10/8/2010 22:38 (#1388672 - in reply to #1388367)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES



Caraway, AR

Any 9760 w/bullet rotor built before 1/1/09 can start a fire at the rear of the rotor. It will go from there to the beater then be thrown out, sometimes catching the field on fire. If the wind and other conditions are right then the combine.

If you smell smoke and the fire is under the rear plactic covers (either side) then the rotor clearance is probably the cause.

I've heard there are three issues that cause this:

1. During the manufacture the rotor tube and the rearcone are crimped and welded together leaving a grove about 3/4" deep around the circumference (backside....can't be seen or felt w/ rotor installed)and on the back side of the rotor. To fix the rotor must be slid forward enough to get behind it. Sand off all rust and fill the grove w/body putty (bondo) and paint back side of the rotor to an automotive finish so that no dust can stick to it.

2. clearance is to close.

3. The bulkhead that holds the rotor gearcase and also the back of the rotor is to light and along w/ the clearance issue......when the rotor slugs at one time or another will warp the bulkhead and thus cause the rotor to rub and cause sparks.

If you want to check the part # you will see that these parts were updated..........I  was told on 1/1/09.

My 9760 was out of warranty and I was the third owner so I had to do the mod I spoke of in para 1.

It's run a few hundred hours since then with no problem.

Clear as mud,?

John

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Kelly
Posted 10/9/2010 00:09 (#1388838 - in reply to #1388367)
Subject: RE: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


NC KS
Nice theory but there has been some very new ones burnt up in the last month. As in new this fall. A great way to increase "market share". (Market share is counted by how many new machines are sold in a specific area-doesn't matter whose buying them)
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Red Painter
Posted 10/8/2010 20:35 (#1388467 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Guys around here with old 66XX series hillside Deere combines used to buy leaf blowers to blow off their engines to keep as much cumbustable chaff and dust off the hot manifolds. Saw a pic on here some years ago I think that someone put a small fan someplace in the engine compartment of an sts as he was finding chaff or dust under some shielded parts.
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Scillfarmer
Posted 10/8/2010 21:38 (#1388551 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES



southern edge of central illinois
I dont want to start an argument but there are way more JD fires than any other color, regardless of the #s of each out. Ask your insurance company.
I have.
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Lil' Hoss
Posted 10/9/2010 00:17 (#1388853 - in reply to #1388551)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


NESD
As I said in my post above, there are more JD combines in use so therefor it stands to reason that there is more possibility of more fires in JD combines.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 10/9/2010 01:06 (#1388890 - in reply to #1388853)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Flora IL
There could be less deeres and they would still be ketching on fire! There's a flaw somewhere.. One guy on here had one keep ketching on fire so he went in back and sparks were comeing from his muffler

Also I know a guy who runs and is around several jd machines and talks about the buildup of junk around the engine compartment. So makes a guy wonder....

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cornfrmr
Posted 10/9/2010 08:02 (#1389026 - in reply to #1388890)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


South Central Nebraska
There are so many reasons Deere combines catch on fire, with all of that plastic and trash buildup on these things you can't get them out. We had a new 9760 catch on fire under the cab the once, could not find any reason other than a wiring harness as a possibility. Lucky we did get this one out but it took 45 minutes to find all of the smoldering spots. Deere covered all of the parts burned under warranty...hmm.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 10/9/2010 15:51 (#1389300 - in reply to #1389026)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Flora IL
Glad to hear they did.
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msb
Posted 10/8/2010 22:52 (#1388699 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: Opportunity abounds.


Lapel, In
Someone come up a kit consisting of heat sensors that are strategically placed on the combine and a pump up,water filled sprayer.Tripped sensor would give the location of the fire. Problem solved. Should get a reduced insurance premium ,enough to offset the cost of the kit. Send me a free kit for the idea. lol.
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jdflyer
Posted 10/9/2010 00:41 (#1388868 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Centralia, MO
Insurance companies are the kings of statistics and liability. If there were any combine model or manufacturer that stood out in a meaningful way you can bet they would respond in kind with substantially higher rates or flat refusal to cover that particular machine or manufacturer. A meaningful statistic would be entail actual counts of all fires versus the popularity of the unit as opposed to the endless drivel of anecdotal (meaningless) evidence spewed endlessly on this site.
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Jon Hagen
Posted 10/9/2010 01:03 (#1388887 - in reply to #1388868)
Subject: This may work, looks simple.



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM2YH91gVkM

http://www.firetrace.com/english/product/?page=direct-release-syste...

Edited by Jon Hagen 10/9/2010 01:14
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KelB
Posted 10/9/2010 01:43 (#1388904 - in reply to #1388887)
Subject: The link Jon has makes sense



Ayr Queensland Australia 4807
Seems to work
20 years ago i worked in a wheat growing area and i recall seeing MF combines with water tanks up top in case of fire it would only cost a few thousand dollars to do ,to have a combine catch fire during harvest would cause a loss of productivity i would much rather put that money into a fire suppression system or alarm
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DRYLAND
Posted 10/9/2010 01:22 (#1388897 - in reply to #1388188)
Subject: Re: 60 SERIES JD COMBINE FIRES


Northern NE Panhandle
Guys that custom farm around here have a 9660 and a 9650 do a lot of sunflowers which are prown to this, they put out little fires on the 60 every other round while the other one might have one a day. We run a 9600 and a 9500 and have yet to have a fire, knock on wood. We are prepared for one but don't have the problems they do with the newer rotaries. They are having problems in both oils and confections.
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