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Priley

Posted 8/27/2010 09:11 (#1334579)
Subject: Black Baldy ????

If I breed a Bwf bull to a bwf cow will I always get a bwf calf. Bwf bull to a black cow?? Bwf bull to a White &black mottled face cow? I'm new and bought a few cows and haven't had any calves yet. Thanks Pat

Ben

Posted 8/27/2010 09:41 (#1334619 - in reply to #1334579)
Subject: RE: Black Baldy ????

North Mo.

The word [always] is troubling. So I would guess the answer is no. [Some times] the answer would be yes. The white face is rather dominate but something made them white faced and more than likely it was a red white face in the mix. Ben

Priley

Posted 8/27/2010 10:17 (#1334679 - in reply to #1334619)
Subject: RE: Black Baldy ????

Are we talking 50/50, 80/20? Does it matter to which cow the bwf bull breeds to? I assume I have a better chance of getting bwf calves with the bwf cows but if the white face is dominate will the chances be the same with the black cow and the mottled face cow?

Markwright

Posted 8/27/2010 12:54 (#1334842 - in reply to #1334679)
Subject: RE:If you use a "solidified" genetic Black Baldy,

New Mexico

meaning the bull used is out of a 2 generation BWF cow and was sired by a 2 generation BWF sire,

You will get 95% BWF calves out of Black or BWF cows...other 5% are Red Baldys.

And on ANY color other cows you use the bull on You will have 85 to 90% BWF calves...other 10 to 15% of course are Red Baldys.

Exception is char cows....calves will be black nosed kinda char baldies ( color same as an Angus/Char cross calf but with a white/bronkle head ).

Edited by Markwright 8/27/2010 12:54

play in the dirt

Posted 8/28/2010 00:03 (#1335598 - in reply to #1334842)
Subject: RE:If you use a "solidified" genetic Black Baldy,

south central IOWA

Huh? What? Am I reading your reply wrong or what?

So you're saying there is no chance of a solid black calf.

And even if I have a homozygous black cow and Homozygous black bull both with a white face, I still have a 5% chance of a red baldy.

Huh? What? Set me straight cause I read your reply over and over and still can't make sense of it.

Markwright

Posted 8/28/2010 00:35 (#1335633 - in reply to #1335598)
Subject: RE:Of course there's a solid black calf chance..and a solid red

New Mexico

calf chance too.

btw, your not going to find many supposed true homozygous blacks in numbers re bwf cows...that's why the red baldy calves.

You can always try a homozygous tested Black Hereford bull, problem is your going thru alot of testing to come up with a set of homozygous black bwf cows ( test 300 to 500 head and you might come up with 30 of em ).

play in the dirt

Posted 8/28/2010 01:00 (#1335651 - in reply to #1335633)
Subject: RE:Of course there's a solid black calf chance..and a solid red

south central IOWA

Markwright - 8/27/2010 23:35

btw, your not going to find many supposed true homozygous blacks in numbers re bwf cows...

Do you know much about the Simmental breed?

Markwright

Posted 8/28/2010 01:07 (#1335656 - in reply to #1335651)
Subject: RE:Just that the U600 bull was perhaps

New Mexico

one of the best that's ever walked ( of any breed ).

Simmy folks send me the magazine every month out of Bozeman, it gets some use here.

Edited by Markwright 8/28/2010 01:11

play in the dirt

Posted 8/28/2010 01:17 (#1335665 - in reply to #1335656)
Subject: That's 600U for anyone that knows Simmentals

south central IOWA

Study up on them Mark. I will almost guarantee there will be stuff on them that you will find interesting. There not like what they use to be.

Did you know that it is easier for a 1/2 Angus 1/2 Simmental to meet the mark of CAB then it is for a purebred Angus?

And in case you missed my pictures a while back. All of them are purebred Simmental http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=181030&posts=6...

Markwright

Posted 8/28/2010 01:35 (#1335671 - in reply to #1335665)
Subject: RE: Easier for most any Half Angus to run

New Mexico

higher CAB percentages than the strait Angus.

It's the cross breeding affect. Main thing is crossing em helps your Yield Grade.

Ya the Simmys have a decent grid up program...been watching it some.

Best bull I passed on this year was perhaps a Red Fleckvieh bull, sure woulda bought him just did not have anything going that would have synched with him this year.

Have You ever heard of a Black Simmy cow named "Miss Princess?"

play in the dirt

Posted 8/28/2010 01:42 (#1335673 - in reply to #1335671)
Subject: RE: Easier for most any Half Angus to run

south central IOWA

Markwright - 8/28/2010 00:35

Have You ever heard of a Black Simmy cow named "Miss Princess?"

No, sorry, not interested in the show side of the breed. Also I'm not familiar with all the sire's dam's

Markwright

Posted 8/28/2010 12:21 (#1335989 - in reply to #1335673)
Subject: RE:She turned out to nick real well with the Legend Angus bull

New Mexico

and she was a big flush producer.

t-boss

Posted 8/28/2010 10:04 (#1335875 - in reply to #1334579)
Subject: Re: Black Baldy ????

sc ia

The baldy gene is dominate but if both baldy parents carry the solid gene then 25% of the calves will be solid. The same formula works with black and red with black being dominate. I had a solid black calf born from baldy parents this year.

Joelt

Posted 8/28/2010 18:53 (#1336351 - in reply to #1334579)
Subject: Re: Black Baldy ????

perryton, tx

My black baldies bred to purebred angus bulls have had predominately solid black calves or just a little white on the face. With that said, i dont know anything about the genetics of these particular cows as they came from the sale barn.

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