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2wdonly

Posted 7/31/2010 10:58 (#1295071)
Subject: pull type combine

does anyone still make a oull type combine or is there any discontuied models that can handle a big tractor 180 hp ?

Rusty6

Posted 7/31/2010 11:17 (#1295087 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

S.E. Sask.

Far as I know there are none in production since IH dropped the 1682 pull type and JD quit the 9501 Maximizer. I think either of these would be fine with 180 hp. Neighbour used to pull his 1682 with a 4494 Case.
Former owner of my 7721 JD also used a 4494 to pull it. I'm going to run mine with a CIH 7130. JD recommends a minimum of 125 hp on the 7721 pull type. I'd guess more for the 9501. You need a heavy tractor to handle the weight of a big combine especially when the hopper is full.

2wdonly

Posted 7/31/2010 11:32 (#1295099 - in reply to #1295087)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

wasthe 9501 a prototype or somthing i can find any for sale on tractor house or any thing on google

Jon Hagen

Posted 7/31/2010 13:07 (#1295187 - in reply to #1295099)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND

2wdonly - 8/1/2010 10:32

wasthe 9501 a prototype or somthing i can find any for sale on tractor house or any thing on google

I remember reading that the JD 9501 was built by Buhler in Canada.

http://www.harvesting.com/combine/deere/general_forum/messages/1547...

sledgehammer

Posted 7/31/2010 11:33 (#1295100 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

manitoba

9501 was a production combine. it looked like a grasshopper.

Dennis SEND

Posted 7/31/2010 11:47 (#1295113 - in reply to #1295100)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Here is one for sale @ a dealer in Canada

http://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machine/1051767

Dennis SEND

Edited by Dennis SEND 7/31/2010 11:48

sledgehammer

Posted 7/31/2010 11:59 (#1295125 - in reply to #1295113)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

manitoba

Dennis SEND - 7/31/2010 11:47

Here is one for sale @ a dealer in Canada

http://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machine/1051767

Dennis SEND

$32,000???? they're insane! you can get a very nice shape 8820 for that, have self propel and a bigger combine.

Dennis SEND

Posted 7/31/2010 12:03 (#1295128 - in reply to #1295125)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

sledgehammer - 7/31/2010 10:59

Dennis SEND - 7/31/2010 11:47

Here is one for sale @ a dealer in Canada

http://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machine/1051767

Dennis SEND

$32,000???? they're insane! you can get a very nice shape 8820 for that, have self propel and a bigger combine.

Never said the price was in good or not, someone asked if they were prototypes as he could not find any for sale I was just simply pointing out one that was for sale!! Don't shoot the messenger!! Dennis SEND

Edited by Dennis SEND 7/31/2010 12:04

Jon Hagen

Posted 7/31/2010 12:32 (#1295158 - in reply to #1295125)
Subject: Re: pull type combine (PIC)

Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND

sledgehammer - 8/1/2010 10:59

Dennis SEND - 7/31/2010 11:47

Here is one for sale @ a dealer in Canada

http://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machine/1051767

Dennis SEND

$32,000???? they're insane! you can get a very nice shape 8820 for that, have self propel and a bigger combine.

Agreed on the price, a clean 1482-1682 with as much capacity as the 9501 , goes for $1500-$4000 in the central ND area.

I used a 1482 for years, tried it behind a 4450, but found it too little HP and too light for that size combine. My little Steiger KR1225 was about a perfect match for HP and weight to control a combine that weighs 30,000 pounds with a tank full of wheat. My 1482 would bury a 1480 (or 8820 for that matter) in grain because it was being powered by a L10 Cummins (611 CI) in the Steiger, VS a 466 in the 1480 or 8820.

Edited by Jon Hagen 7/31/2010 13:26

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Adam Suess

Posted 7/31/2010 13:15 (#1295200 - in reply to #1295158)
Subject: Re: pull type combine (PIC)

Hanska, Minnesota

Would there be any 8650 White pull types floating around North Dakota? Would love to add one to my collection.

Jon Hagen

Posted 7/31/2010 13:23 (#1295205 - in reply to #1295200)
Subject: Re: pull type combine (PIC)

Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND

Adam Suess - 8/1/2010 12:15

Would there be any 8650 White pull types floating around North Dakota? Would love to add one to my collection.

One was scrapped at Waynes combine salvage at Fessenden ND, I bought the magnetic unload clutch off it.

The Madock to Minot area was good for White equipment (strong dealers). The Farmers Union oil co in those towns were the White dealers, a call to them might lead to finding a PT white combine.

Edited by Jon Hagen 7/31/2010 14:01

Ed Boysun

Posted 7/31/2010 13:43 (#1295228 - in reply to #1295205)
Subject: Wayne's Combine salvage?

Agent Orange: Friendly fire that keeps on burning.

Would that be Wayne Rice?

Had some dealings with Rice. Very, very positive!

Jon Hagen

Posted 7/31/2010 14:00 (#1295242 - in reply to #1295228)
Subject: RE: Wayne's Combine salvage?

Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND

Ed Boysun - 8/1/2010 12:43

Would that be Wayne Rice?

Had some dealings with Rice. Very, very positive!

At the combine salvage place west of Fessenden it is Wayne Hildibrant. (sp ?), another good guy. :-)

Yes, Mr Rice is a good guy to deal with.

collegeboy

Posted 7/31/2010 17:07 (#1295417 - in reply to #1295158)
Subject: Re: pull type combine (PIC)

Slicker than a Yes album.

How long would that 1482 last behind 300 hp? Or maybe that steiger wasn't that much. Seems like that's a lot of oomph to put through a machine designed for less. Or maybe I'm thinking wrong numbers.

Have never seen one in operation or in person. Be kind of neat. Did you get good enough to unload on the go, too?

Jon Hagen

Posted 7/31/2010 18:19 (#1295499 - in reply to #1295417)
Subject: Re: pull type combine (PIC)

Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND

collegeboy - 8/1/2010 16:07

How long would that 1482 last behind 300 hp? Or maybe that steiger wasn't that much. Seems like that's a lot of oomph to put through a machine designed for less. Or maybe I'm thinking wrong numbers.

Have never seen one in operation or in person. Be kind of neat. Did you get good enough to unload on the go, too?

I believe my little Steiger KR1225 is 225 flywheel hp and 195 PTO HP. Thats near the max torque the combine gear box can stand. I had to replace the grade 5 bolts in the combine gear box with grade 8, as the Steiger would stretch and finally pop the heads off the grade 5 bolts. I exploded a gear case once while abusing it trying to clear a slugged rotor.
Never tried to unload on the go.

Edited by Jon Hagen 7/31/2010 18:57

Rusty6

Posted 8/1/2010 00:50 (#1295963 - in reply to #1295499)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

S.E. Sask.

I was wondering about the gearbox being the weak link in this chain. That much horsepower and trying to put through tough material at high speed would likely push the limits. I've heard of a few of the IH pull types breaking either something in the gearbox or the main thresher belt when pushed too hard. That gearbox can cost as much as a used combine if you have to replace the whole thing from what I hear.

j.p

Posted 8/1/2010 03:59 (#1296011 - in reply to #1295417)
Subject: Na, thats not that much power

NWIL

This is a lot of power going through one......

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magnum8930

Posted 7/31/2010 11:49 (#1295116 - in reply to #1295100)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

RRV, MN

we ran a 1682 up until a few years ago, combine worked very nice. For the capacity it is a very cheap combine to run. We pulled it with a 7130 mainly, and a 8930 alittle bit. Was a nice match for hp, but i wouldnt want to go any smaller than the 71. We sold it to a neighbor who pulls it with a 8300 JD.

2wdonly

Posted 7/31/2010 11:50 (#1295117 - in reply to #1295100)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

most not have made very many of them since aint nun for sell

2wdonly

Posted 7/31/2010 12:10 (#1295138 - in reply to #1295117)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

im looking on tractorhouse and there are quite afew 1970's combines cheap on thier with moderate hours

Rusty6

Posted 7/31/2010 14:40 (#1295280 - in reply to #1295138)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

S.E. Sask.

Theres cheap ones out there alright but sometimes cheap is not the best way to go. I looked at some of the cheap ones and would not want to take them home. I paid good money for this 7721 I think but its one of the best kept used machines I"ve ever seen. Always stored inside, greenlited every year and used on a small farm. Unfortunately theres not a lot of those out there after 20 years.
Yes, the 8650 White pull types still show up for sale once in a while. As well as the Masseys 751, 852. I've seen the occasional 9501 but they were never as numerous as the older 7721 and 6601. The limitations have been pointed out above. These pull types are best at picking up a swath. Not even sure if a straight header was an option on the JD machines.

lancef53

Posted 7/31/2010 12:13 (#1295142 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Portland, ND

We ran a 1482 a few years back, 180 hp is the minimum you would want to put on it. Some of the sugarbeet guys up and down the valley ran pull types until pretty recently, they are a cheap way to harvest when you have the tractor to pull it sitting in the yard. 250-300 hp will make them work real well, and they will run circles around their self propelled counterpart.

If you are gonna use it in the hills, keep the hopper half full or less, or put a big (heavy) tractor on it. They will throw a tractor around.

WTXCottonguy

Posted 7/31/2010 12:20 (#1295151 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Lorenzo, tx

Ok I'm new to combines new they made pull type peanut combines but not grain. Could these cut wheat milo? This would bhea great option for us we kinda need a combine but not really right on the line. This would be perfect. Are they hard to run? What's the differences? Please educate me!

need-more-rain

Posted 7/31/2010 12:51 (#1295174 - in reply to #1295151)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Post, Texas

Hey Cottonguy,I've got a AC 2 row in the barn for you, just bring a Super M and come on down.

Jon Hagen

Posted 7/31/2010 12:53 (#1295175 - in reply to #1295151)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND

WTXCottonguy - 8/1/2010 11:20

Ok I'm new to combines new they made pull type peanut combines but not grain. Could these cut wheat milo? This would bhea great option for us we kinda need a combine but not really right on the line. This would be perfect. Are they hard to run? What's the differences? Please educate me!

The limitation of a big pulltype combine is that they are best as a winrow machine, eating a 40 ft double swath.
With the hitch and PTO shaft on the left, almost all of the header has to stick out on the right side. That limits them to about a 17-20 ft header. I direct cut wheat, sunflower and flax for years with a PT 1482 with a 17 ft header.
Kind of a white knuckle deal if you need to cut pretty low. You need to run a 7-8 mph to satisfy the capacity of the combine.

A direct cutting PT combine is best when it works with a SP machine that opens the field so the PT combine / tractor does not have to run down any grain to open the field or turn at the ends. A pt is also limited to going around and around a field, instead of back and forth like a SP combine.

Let the SP machine cut the field into big blocks with plenty of turn around room around them , then let the PT combine with the big HP tractor shine as it devours those big blocks of grain with it's superior HP..

http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=108364&mid=767...

Edited by Jon Hagen 7/31/2010 13:17

pennypincher

Posted 7/31/2010 17:04 (#1295411 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: RE: pull type combine

Ontario

I have a Deere 6601 pull type really like the machine but the direct cut head is all but done would like to find another one ,cheap to run and no engine to worry aboy Rob

Larry in AB

Posted 7/31/2010 18:10 (#1295490 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Alberta, Canada

A seed farm my way has 2 JD pull types and a self propelled combine. The pull types work good if you are set up for them. Them old JD or IH pull types run for ever, just replace the medal here and there over the years.

lancef53

Posted 7/31/2010 22:09 (#1295774 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Portland, ND

My neighbors (the beet guys) ran 1682s on a 7250 magnum and a new holland 9480 with PTO. The gearboxes would last longer with synthetic oil, but they would still give up every few years.

jwilliam33

Posted 8/1/2010 13:57 (#1296512 - in reply to #1295774)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Waldron, MI

So do these pull type units use standard, quick attach feederhouses so, in the instance of a JD 9501, you could put a 20' grain head and a 6 row corn head on it? Nothing I'd do but it'd be interesting to see if anyone is using them that way.

Rusty6

Posted 8/1/2010 14:53 (#1296591 - in reply to #1296512)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

S.E. Sask.

I think not. Just looking at my 7721 and the operators manual I don't see there being enough room for any bigger header without running into the hitch on the left side.

lancef53

Posted 8/1/2010 14:39 (#1296578 - in reply to #1295071)
Subject: Re: pull type combine

Portland, ND

No, the header on the case-ih models are a little different, and are offset. Not sure on the JD model.

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