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Byron ECIN
Posted 7/3/2010 11:15 (#1259017)
Subject: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


United States
Earlier Post about John Deere Sprayers got my interest, What options would you not want to be with out on the sprayer, or is there something you could live without
what boom size are most running with and nozzle spacing ? Thank for sharing

Byron ECIN
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lolamay
Posted 7/3/2010 11:23 (#1259024 - in reply to #1259017)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


woodstock
4730 100' boom,20" spacing, stainless steel high flow, 5 way nozzle bodies, auto susp level, autoboom height, swathpro, autosteer.............all a must as a custom applicator
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Magfarm
Posted 7/3/2010 11:30 (#1259028 - in reply to #1259024)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


EC IL
15" spacing is alot better. Lets you easily put on drops or band. Swathpro and autosteer are a must.
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Matt NCOK
Posted 7/3/2010 15:04 (#1259173 - in reply to #1259024)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



The 15"  also allows you to own half as many tips for some situations.  We can run 5 gpa on 30" spacing then run 10 gpa on 15"  with the same tips. 

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mennoboy
Posted 7/3/2010 12:16 (#1259057 - in reply to #1259017)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Rivers, MB
3`` fill would be a must as well. Maybe that`s a std option now but every sprayer should have 3`` fill. Autosteer, swath control, mapping, stainless steel tank, and floater tires for mud, and 100' would be a must. Never had the boom height control so can't comment on that. Neighbors that have them say they really like it. Probably have it on our next sprayer.
A good nurse system is high on the list of things that improve productivity. One neighbor has a 4930 and a 60's model 2 ton truck with a 1200 gallon tank. Can't see how they can keep up with that.
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dvswia
Posted 7/3/2010 12:33 (#1259066 - in reply to #1259057)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


sw corner ia.
I know how he keeps up- he fills the sprayer one time then while sprayer is working he refills his nurse tank. Then the nurse truck can be wherever the sprayer runs out instead of the sprayer running all over creation to find it. This is how I do it and it is fast. Way cheaper and easier to use than a semi rig. My wife pulls mine with a 3/4ton pickup.
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jasonl
Posted 7/3/2010 14:19 (#1259139 - in reply to #1259066)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


midwest
Glad it works for you, although when it only takes about a half an hour to empty the sprayer and and over an hour to get water it doesn't work out to well.  Just about all that time is road time so carrying a bunch of water is a good thing.
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dvswia
Posted 7/3/2010 19:49 (#1259417 - in reply to #1259139)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


sw corner ia.
It does work for me and I can think of about four different places I can pick up a full load of h20 in about 5 minutes that are within 10 minutes of where I will be working. I don't know too many sprayers that can dump it that fast.
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mennoboy
Posted 7/4/2010 00:25 (#1259716 - in reply to #1259417)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Rivers, MB
Our land is all within 12 miles from home. No way we could make the round trip to get a tank of water in fungicide season where we are spraying out a tank every 40 minutes. the loading time is what kills us. Plus, then i need a second person. With our semi trailer with 5000 ga. of water, I can be a one man sprayer show for the day so that the other guys can be off doing other stuff.
The farm I'm referring to farms 6000 ac. plus spread over 35 miles. I think they may be running 2 trucks to keep up.
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dvswia
Posted 7/4/2010 07:20 (#1259819 - in reply to #1259716)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


sw corner ia.
I guess I am lucky that my wife works full time with me. No way do I want to be a "one man show".
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steveMIfarmer
Posted 7/3/2010 12:30 (#1259063 - in reply to #1259017)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



West Michigan
Does anyone know how much 15" vs 20" nozzles cost. Seems every sprayer around here is on 20" and therefore can't run drops. Can you find 15" used for sale??? On a year like this drops are a must.
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jd4930
Posted 7/3/2010 13:27 (#1259102 - in reply to #1259063)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Central ND
I feel an adequate nurse unit is just as important as the sprayer, the sprayed doesn't get anything done if its waiting for a water tank to return. Our nurse trailer never leaves the field, when spraying 10 gpa it only takes a half hour to empty the sprayer, not enough time for a nurse truck to leave, refill, and come back. Nurse trailer stays there all the time and when low on water someone else brings the tanker out and refills it.(when there is someone else there to drive the tanker that is!lol)
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blakezr2
Posted 7/3/2010 14:41 (#1259155 - in reply to #1259017)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



WC Iowa
If I was to put the options in order for our area it would be swath-pro, boom-trac, auto air ride, auto-trac. Its neat to hear how others can run a sprayer load off in a half hour, I sure could use some of that kind of going. I average about 1 1/2 to 2 hours to run 80 acres and fill, thats just the kind of going we have. If I could i would like stainless steel on a non high flow boom and i think they should come up with row sense for the sprayer . 4730 90' boom 20" spacing
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CaseFarmer
Posted 7/3/2010 15:56 (#1259212 - in reply to #1259155)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Flora IL
Lightbar and norac boom height are a must. Autosteer and boom section is handy but not necessary. If u look at red machines aim command is a must and very nice option
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farming101
Posted 7/3/2010 17:05 (#1259277 - in reply to #1259212)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


I would say swath control, autotrac, boomtrac, stainless steel, then direct injection!! Cant believe the number of acres added in a day being able to fill with chemical once a day and the rest of the time just filling water. Cuts down the amount of time it takes to rinse before changing chemicals, all I do is flush the booms and switch valves on the chamical tanks. On the CASE machines AIM Command is just a Capstain system that I had once and did not like it, with the new nozzles I got from HYPRO I can do the same for $7 a nozzle instead of a $17000 option.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 7/3/2010 19:07 (#1259378 - in reply to #1259277)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Flora IL
U can spray 25 psi at 18mph?? Or 50-70 psi at 4 mph and keep rate?
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1755 man
Posted 7/3/2010 19:27 (#1259394 - in reply to #1259378)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Southern IL
These sprayers are great you definitely want swath pro, auto steer, and auto boom. Also i purchased a full set of floaters used from a dealer. First thing in the spring you can tred lighter and no ruts. Plus it only takes us two hours to change wheels with two jack stands, two bottle jacks, and 1 inch impact and a forklift.
I ran a apache 850 for 5 years this JD has alot of nice options . You will say I cannot wait to get back in there to spray, even after several long days. I also
recorded all my spray records and just printed some spray maps.
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agboy
Posted 7/3/2010 19:33 (#1259399 - in reply to #1259378)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Flandreau, SD

I guess my question is why would I want to do that? 

 

I don't see the point?

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kwsteve
Posted 7/3/2010 20:01 (#1259431 - in reply to #1259277)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


West Central Oklahoma
what do you use for direct injection?
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farmerboy50
Posted 7/3/2010 19:30 (#1259396 - in reply to #1259017)
Subject: Hydraulic Tread is a must! NT


West Texas
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Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 7/3/2010 19:56 (#1259422 - in reply to #1259017)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Chebanse, IL.....

I'm uncomfortable about spending your money, but....

Hydraulic tread

Dlx cab & air ride seat

15" spacing x 5-way nozzles

100' boom

3" fill (if it's an option)

Cold weather starting (I think that's an option).

All the lights JD offers for you. You'll appreciate that in night ops.

Auto Boom

Auto Trac

What I don't use? I sure didn't need the ss inductor. That just takes up space for me. Also, as I've mentioned before, I don't use or need foam markers. I don't have them, I'm just saying they're history...here. Not applicable for everyone, I realize.

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SamsDad
Posted 7/3/2010 23:22 (#1259655 - in reply to #1259422)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Western EC Iowa
I'm suprised you don't use the inductor.  Our nurse trailer is set up with two and we still use the one on the sprayer.  Makes putting in the dry stuff like AMS, atrazine, and the like much easier(for our setup anyways).  When we trade sometime down the line, we will have another.  Ben
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Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 7/4/2010 07:26 (#1259824 - in reply to #1259655)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Chebanse, IL.....

I've used a pressure (venturi) inductor on the nurse truck for many years. Actually, I think it was Monsanto that came out with them many years ago for one of their dry herbicides back then. My early venturis were all steel. I decided a long time ago that I no longer wanted any type of dry material. like ATZ. I did use some Canopy this spring, but that's low-volume, minimal usage. We always mix on-site, never "hot" loads. Also, I was clear to say that I (me!) do not use the sprayer inductor and probably should not have ordered it. But, it's not a big deal. I just don't use it. In fact, I've never opened the cover on it. Maybe there's something in there I should check on. Byron asked what I could live without & I told him.

I'm not arguing, but I'm not clear on "why" you use multiple inductors. And...to answer another reply here....I've never poured any products in the top hatch.

This ACE Full-Drain Blow Molded tank is the best thing since sliced bread for a nurse trailer.

http://www.ohiovalleyag.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=48_49&products_id=1992



Edited by Ron..NE ILL..10/48 7/4/2010 07:39
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SamsDad
Posted 7/4/2010 07:52 (#1259841 - in reply to #1259824)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Western EC Iowa
We use two inductors primarily for individual products.  We don't hot mix either and rarely do full loads, so the tender driver can have 1/2 or so of two products pumped and ready when the sprayer gets there to minimize waiting.  We also don't use much extra atrazine or AMS, but when it calls for it, we do.  The inductor on the sprayer is superior to dropping either one in our tender inductors, we don't have venturis in there.  One nice thing on the eductor on the sprayer is the jug rinse.  Just turn the jug upside down and put it over the nozzle, push down and it thoroughly cleans the jugs.  Don't use this a lot as most chems come in bulk, but it is very handy.  Wasn't being argumentative at all, we actually didn't think when we got it that it would come in handy, but we were wrong in our case.  Different tender setups will probably dictate whether you need it or don't.  Ben
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Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 7/4/2010 08:58 (#1259899 - in reply to #1259841)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Chebanse, IL.....

OK...I'm still not clear on how/why your pesticides get into the sprayer-mounted inductor. What is it that "someone" is pumping pesticides into before the sprayer arrives? Or, did I mistinterpret?

I often have only 1 person present during filling...the sprayer guy. As you can see, we can pump about 4-5 products simultaneously into the pressure inductor while the sprayer is filling. I have a container rinse device on the inductor also. It works on 1 gal containers, 2.5's, or the graduated measuring container. I hate non-minibulk products, but they happen sometimes, too often.

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IL Corn
Posted 7/4/2010 17:22 (#1260368 - in reply to #1259824)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Ron-

Looks like reinforced EVA hose running to your inductor cone?

If so, how does it hold up to Crop Oil or Roundup? Seems like we are replacing the EPDM hoses on the mini-bulk pumps every year with those two products.

Thanks for any info.

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Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 7/4/2010 19:22 (#1260487 - in reply to #1260368)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Chebanse, IL.....

I'm not sure how long it lasts. The pumps for the glyphosate are sitting on top of the minibuiks & that same hose (1") is at least 2 yrs old. But, it will get HARD in the off-season. Sometimes it can be salvaged, sometimes not. We use coiled eva tubing for the supply lines to the pumps. They won't collapse. But you're right, COC will make the clear hose definitely stiff in the off-season, worse than glyphosate or other compounds.

The clear hose is pretty easy to work with & we find lots of uses for it. We'll keep using it.

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dvswia
Posted 7/4/2010 07:22 (#1259820 - in reply to #1259422)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


sw corner ia.
when did you trade off the hagie, ron?
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Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 7/4/2010 07:30 (#1259829 - in reply to #1259820)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Chebanse, IL.....

Traded late in 2009.

It was a good machine. It went just a few miles down the road.

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dvswia
Posted 7/4/2010 17:36 (#1260380 - in reply to #1259829)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


sw corner ia.
Ok, I just didn't remember seeing a deere sprayer in your yard!

Do you have video too? Great pictures as usual..

Edited by dvswia 7/4/2010 17:40
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IL Corn
Posted 7/3/2010 22:20 (#1259577 - in reply to #1259017)
Subject: RE: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Can't add to what others have said. There is one option that I wish was available, 120' booms on the 47 & 4830.

Hello.... Deere? Anyone Home? If the current sprayer won't handle the boom, design one that will!

I'll hang up and listen to your answer...





Edited by IL Corn 7/3/2010 22:23
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shakes_24
Posted 7/3/2010 23:18 (#1259645 - in reply to #1259577)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?


Sw ontario
For us it's autotrac swathpro 90ft 20in ....... inductor is a must don't see why you would not want it . Climbing up and dumping all the chemical seems ridiculous. also good tires ... we have had good like with michelins
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bosshogg88
Posted 7/4/2010 10:06 (#1259969 - in reply to #1259645)
Subject: Re: 4730 John Deere Sprayers ?



Ontario
http://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=49301&posts=6#...

Edited by bosshogg88 7/4/2010 10:12
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