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WYDave
Posted 2/12/2007 02:18 (#103263)
Subject: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Wyoming

Here's something I've been toying with for years, and after this last year's experience, I'm just about convinced of the need:

I'm thinking of getting a bolt bin laid in here. The only outfit I know of that does them in the area is Lawson. I'm sure there must be others, because the Lawson catalog spends a great deal of time bragging on their bolts vs. "the others."

Is it worth it to deal with a bolt bin from an outfit like Lawson, or should I just buy a appropriate bin from {insert source of bin} and then buy bulk bolts from... who?

 

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pudding
Posted 2/12/2007 03:46 (#103267 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Somewhereville, Earth
lol......depends on how far it is to the bolt shop

great idea, go for it, price round first, you will find some larges variations in price.......and quality
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Don Kraft
Posted 2/12/2007 20:12 (#103672 - in reply to #103267)
Subject: Metric schmetrics!



Of course I have bolt bins filled with bolts. Unfortunately most equipment has metric bolts and nuts now. With the bins full of bolts I never have the right one.
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Matt neoh
Posted 2/12/2007 05:52 (#103271 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Make sure your not getting grade 2 when buying bolts
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Tom Russell
Posted 2/12/2007 06:11 (#103276 - in reply to #103271)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



McLeod County Minnesota
And make sure the grade 5 or 8 bolts are actually grade 5 or grade 8. I have read that some bolt importers are doing a tiny little bit of cheating in their bolt grading. But the articles I have read don’t offer a clue as to how the average guy can tell the difference until bolts start breaking.
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Jim
Posted 2/12/2007 23:13 (#103838 - in reply to #103276)
Subject: bolt test


Driftless SW Wisconsin
bogus imported gr 8 bolts are a real problem. you can test grade with a torque wrench. Take a bolt and nut and assemble with maybe a 1" plate or stack of washers. torque the head of the screw not the nut to gr 8 spec which you can from a number of websites or charts. a bogus bolt will feel like it gives or stretches or breaks before reaching the high end of the torque spec. A true grade bolt should be able to reach 110 percent of the hi end torque spec without yielding or breaking. Beware of gr 8 plated screws esp. They need a special bake process to avoid embrittlement.
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Tom Russell
Posted 2/13/2007 06:47 (#103934 - in reply to #103838)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



McLeod County Minnesota
Thanks for sharing, Jim. Do you test all cap screws or a representative sample? And secondly, have you found fake grade 8 fasteners to be comparable to decent quality grade 5?

There was a peddler selling bogus bolts in my area and since then a person doesn’t know of the grade we are buying is real or fake.
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Russ In Idaho
Posted 2/12/2007 09:13 (#103344 - in reply to #103271)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Matt there is a place for grade 2 bolts. We use them on irrigation wheel lines. You need to be able to snap bolts by hand, when you replace or repair lines. The biggest problem is keeping hired men from mixing grades when they take them back to the shop.
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Tim in WI
Posted 2/12/2007 07:42 (#103293 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



Embarrass WI

It is certainly worth it to have an organized inventory of bolts on hand. How you do it depends on how much the different options cost. I am sure Lawson has decent bolts, 30 years ago when I ran a dealer parts department, I got bolts from an outfit called Parts Associates Inc (PAI), don't know if they're still around. Their bolts had a slightly thicker head which was easier to get a grip on with a wrench.

I keep a small assortment of the most common SAE and metric sizes, but I am fortunate here in that there is a hardware store in our tiny village that has a complete inventory of Gr 5 SAE bolts. I only have to drive 1.1 miles to get just about any size SAE bolt. JD dealer 11 miles away(where I go 2-3 times/week anyway with sale barn calves) has just about any metric size I have ever needed. And there is a Fastenal store 12 miles the other way if I need something really special.

Anyway, I keep the assortment here to save running, once or twice a year I check the inventory and refill whatever is down. If I am doing some fabrication where I need a bunch of one size, I can get a supply of those on a regular trip. "Here", the JD dealer sells their bolts by the pound, and their price is quite competitive($1.25/# from foggy memory).

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Yammer
Posted 2/12/2007 07:57 (#103301 - in reply to #103293)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Lawson's are fine but pricey. The good thing is that they come in metal storage shelves. If you're on a budget and don't need fancy Rockford sells good bolts, only they come in little cardboard boxes set up in a wire rack. Not fancy but cheaper.
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Eric SW MO
Posted 2/12/2007 08:05 (#103305 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Southwest MO
I put up some shelves in the shop that were about 8" apart, then went to walmart and farm stores and bought a lot of bolt containers that were 4x4x6. also got some bigger ones for the bigger bolts. I then buy the bolts from farm stores where you can buy them in bulk. If you buy them from a place that charges so much per bolt it will be expensive. The quality will vary from place to place so you may have to check around

The thing I like about having the bolts in a container is I can pull the container off the shelf and carry it to where I am working. Cant do that with a metal bin bolted to the wall.


Edited by Eric SW MO 2/12/2007 08:16
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Ron in WKY
Posted 2/12/2007 08:05 (#103306 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


For me the cheapest grade 5's are bought by the box at Fastenal.This is a chain,and thehave a great inventory.I allready have the bin from years ago.Our CIH dealer also sells by the pound.
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pbutler
Posted 2/12/2007 08:11 (#103310 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



Macon, IL
I bought a "kit" from Harbor Freight for about $50-had wall racks, trays, labels and all the boltsm, washers, lock washers, and nuts. Bolts are probably junk but you can just replace them with whatever you need from other dealer-washers and lock washers are fine. For $50 I bet over the last 2 years it has saved me 5-6 trips to town-well worth it!
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Badger
Posted 2/12/2007 08:13 (#103311 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Huntley Montana
If you have a Fastenal Dealer anywhere close talk to them. The Fastenal dealers here will stop by now & then & check your inventory & keep you full. They seem like they are on the ball & are trying to supply more & more stuff for shop use yearly.
& they seem "reasonable"
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Chad H
Posted 2/12/2007 10:00 (#103362 - in reply to #103311)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


NE SD

Good idea. I trust Fastenal to have made in USA hardware. Are there any companies in your area that will come out to your farm once or twice a year to fill them and other supplies?

We have some bolt bins that have been in our shop for years. We'd be lost without them. While they aren't huge at about 4" x 3" x 10" deep, they for the most part hold everything we need to make it a whole year. Tool lady stops by in November and fills them, hose clamps, washers, etc. Makes for a real good deal rather than trying to keep up on inventory and then always being short on something because we didn't get it bought in time. Costs a little bit more but she's got everything from log chains to power tools and she comes right after harvest. Money mouth

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Badger
Posted 2/12/2007 18:22 (#103608 - in reply to #103362)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


Huntley Montana
Fastenal is not US bolts from what I've seen. Seem like good bolts, but made by fellows wit a squint
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Chad H
Posted 2/12/2007 19:04 (#103635 - in reply to #103608)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


NE SD
Sorry, it was my assumption that they carried USA products. Don't buy much from them, usually just some stainless bolts and rivets when we have a special project.
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dakota
Posted 2/12/2007 18:36 (#103615 - in reply to #103362)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



SC North Dakota
A month ago I bought bolts from Fastenal and they were not made in the USA. Wasn't a critical item so I took them home.
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Cliff SEIA
Posted 2/12/2007 08:36 (#103325 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


We looked into Lawson a few years ago and when we looked close at what they were selling it was far cheaper to buy our own bins and buy the bolts locally. I got lucky when a local factory closed down here about four years ago and I was able to buy three big bolt bins (I think they are 72 hole bins) for a total of $20. A local small town lumber yard said we could buy hardware in bulk from them (by the box) at a pretty good discount but so far we've just been buying what we need by the pound.

 


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cotman
Posted 2/12/2007 09:02 (#103338 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



NW Tennessee
I don't know what we would do without ours. Well, yeah, I do, we'd be making trips to town every day when working in the shop to get bolts. My dad bought our bins at an auction when a local "general store" closed down. We just take inventory and buy what we need at JD store or local farm store.
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FarmerTom
Posted 2/12/2007 09:07 (#103339 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: RE: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



Penobsquis, New Brunswick, Canada
some years ago, i bought 2 shelving units, 18" deep x 36" wide x 7' high with 13 shelves on each unit.

i filled 20 shelves with a pull out drawer/bin that is 6" wide x 4.75" high x 18' deep and then commenced to cut up plastic rectangular 1 quart oil cans just tall enough to sit inside these drawers. each drawer can hold 7 of these cutoff cans. where needed i use these to separate product to make finding it easier. all the drawer/bins are labelled

i used the space the last 6 shelves had, to put 31 different assortment boxes in this storage unit.

i store all my hardware from 1/4" to 1", UNC and UNF bolts and nuts, lockwashers, flat washers, clamps , special bolts, springs, and all kinds of unique groupings i need to repair equipment. the assortments are cotter pins, roll pins, special screws, and lots of unique stuff.

i buy lots of old equipment, and in the summer usually hire a couple of high school students to dismantle for the parts, and we keep the bins briming full using this technique. all the hardware is sorted and saved, and it is more than cost efficient, but new product is also purchased and stored in these bins.

the only problem seems to be , getting the product/piece in the correct bin is a big challenge. attention to detail is not a common thing these days.

this system has been a wonderful addition to the shop and the original $ 75 i spent on the shelving unit and drawers has paid for itself many times over.

it pays to be organized and the inventory on hand.

my 2 cents
FarmerTom

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george10
Posted 2/12/2007 10:13 (#103374 - in reply to #103339)
Subject: What ! No Torch!


That is the usual response when I want help dismantling equipment. I commend you, My Dad did that for years, hardly ever bought a new bolt until later in life, no one gives farmers credit for the real recycling we do and wise use of resources we practice everyday. I am not a enviro but waste is never a good thing. Our local hardware store which is very good will sell grade 5 bolts bulk I think for $2.00 or $2.79 a pound every day. They are usually rockford bolts. Baum Iron will sell you a premade kit with bolts and I think you can buy a steel shelf also.
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don@nebr
Posted 2/12/2007 11:42 (#103405 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?


I just bought some old crappy shelves,the assembled steel ones at a sale for cheap. Then I had quite a few of those plastic bins,when I ran out of those I started using larger tin or paper cans. just line them up each size on a shelf. easy to find. Labeled witha black marker,,,tip for getting spare bolts back in some what right bin,,,put an old tape measure across the front of a shelf.so it goes the entire length of shelves(dont skimp)(if you have to walk to get to measurer it wont happen. ) Easy to hold up to tape,see length and throw in proper bin!!

Get enough shelves for grade 2,5,and 8's,,,there is a place for all of them!! I have alot more stuff stacked on that whole wall of shelves,cheapest thing I ever bought. Dads old way is throw it in a bucket,all together,,if its wihin two sizes,diameter or length of something else in there right place,,,always took an hour minimum to sort thru and find right grade,length and size. Now I walk over to the proper shelf,pick it up and go. Each diametr has its own shelf. further left is shorter,further right is longer. Funny thing is dad walks over to the shelfs and bitches the whole time,,"Cant find anything over here"(must be TOO organized). I buy the bolts at Bomgaars on sale if possible. Havent found metrics by the pound YET!! Buy those at local NAPA as needed!(I hate that). Bomgaars have grade 2s for about a buck a pound a couple times a year. Otherwise try there 20% off sales for the 5's and 8's
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T800
Posted 2/13/2007 12:26 (#104125 - in reply to #103263)
Subject: Re: Bolt bins -- worth it or not?



Lee Co
my lawson dealer got pretty pricey too. he was ordering all grade 8 bolts then also grade 8 lock washers and grade 8 flat washers. that is where it came to a stop. grade 8 flat and lock weren't really needed. Now we have a 5 star bolt guy that stops and refills my lawson bins.
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