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wade4545
Posted 1/25/2010 00:38 (#1040027)
Subject: Pictures of Steers



 

 

Sold our steers last week (gave away you might as well say i guess) Anyways heres some pics. Questions/Comments Welcome

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wade4545
Posted 1/25/2010 01:40 (#1040063 - in reply to #1040027)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gftj1Ow9NiA
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melchor
Posted 1/25/2010 02:31 (#1040078 - in reply to #1040027)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers


South Dakota		Nice simm-hereford calves. Long bodied and heavy boned. It looks like you might be pushing them a little too much, though. Did you implant?
You're also not doing yourself any favors with those feather-necks.

Hows the cattle market in Canada?
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Jim
Posted 1/25/2010 09:25 (#1040266 - in reply to #1040078)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers


Driftless SW Wisconsin

I had the same thoughts on pushing and implants. The feathernecks also are a reason they come up and lick his hand in the video. Fun to work with cattle like that. And on the rail at the packer its the beef that counts, not the color on their neck.  Just need to find a better/different way to market them. Nice looking cattle but more stuff in their ears than a rock star.

Jim at Dawn

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jb50
Posted 1/25/2010 13:29 (#1040574 - in reply to #1040078)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers


What's a feather neck?
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wade4545
Posted 1/25/2010 19:28 (#1041020 - in reply to #1040078)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers



melchor - 1/25/2010 01:31

Nice simm-hereford calves. Long bodied and heavy boned. It looks like you might be pushing them a little too much, though. Did you implant?
You're also not doing yourself any favors with those feather-necks.

Hows the cattle market in Canada?



No implants. 64 steers averaged 958lbs after 4% shrink. 87 cents on 950 weight. 4 cent slide. Whats feather-necks suppose to mean?
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Roy@ranch
Posted 1/25/2010 20:23 (#1041159 - in reply to #1041020)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers


North Cental Mo.		I like the cattle, they should feed well. Have you ever tracked them and found out how they kill?

Why no implants, are you getting a premium for that?

Roy
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derby
Posted 1/25/2010 08:01 (#1040168 - in reply to #1040027)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers


good looking steers, what weight and price did you recieve, what commission do stock yards charge out there, here in ontario 7-8 weight sts. CharX are in the low 90,s to 95. Hfs are dime behind that.
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redoak
Posted 1/25/2010 12:46 (#1040521 - in reply to #1040168)
Subject: now i am hungry


deep SW On.		they look great....never see many hog guys posting pics of there pigs
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t-boss
Posted 1/25/2010 15:11 (#1040722 - in reply to #1040521)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers



sc ia		You need to come here and clean and bed my pens.
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BCFENCE
Posted 1/25/2010 19:35 (#1041036 - in reply to #1040722)
Subject: FEATHER NECKS?



What are feather necks
Thanks THOMAS
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Jim
Posted 1/25/2010 19:47 (#1041060 - in reply to #1041036)
Subject: RE: FEATHER NECKS?


Driftless SW Wisconsin

"Featherneck" is another term for pure Herefords or cattle with a lot of Hereford blood in them with the white on top of their necks. There are a few in one of the photos with the white neck. Used by some as a generic term for Herefords. Note in the video posted above how gentle these steers are.

Jim at Dawn

edit: As someone above posted, these appear to be Hereford/Simmental crosses which tends to lose the white feather. Beautiful steers though. I am just not a fan of the growth hormone implants I believe I see in a couple ears.

correction: those are rfid buttons not implants.



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BCFENCE
Posted 1/25/2010 20:27 (#1041175 - in reply to #1041060)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers



Thanks jim.
THOMAS
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Joelt
Posted 1/25/2010 20:44 (#1041231 - in reply to #1041175)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


perryton, tx		So what does it mean if what appears to be a purebred hereford but has no white at all on the neck?
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Jim
Posted 1/25/2010 21:00 (#1041272 - in reply to #1041231)
Subject: Herefords & Feathernecks - pic


Driftless SW Wisconsin

I am no cattle expert nor genetics expert. Nor Hereford or Simmental expert.

I do have a registered Hereford bull and mostly what I believe are pure Hereford, but not registered, cows. I do have one cow who is obviously a Hereford/Simmental cross.

Here is a picture of some of my weaned calves at treat time earlier this winter.

Guess which one of these calves pictured is out of my Hereford/Simmental cross cow? (hint: the cows number is 41)

Can you have a full Hereford with no feather? I don't know.

Jim at Dawn



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Joelt
Posted 1/25/2010 22:22 (#1041485 - in reply to #1041272)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


perryton, tx		Me neither-i have about 10 Herefords in my herd. This one i always thought there was something different about her but couldnt put my finger on it. She has pure white face and horn nubs, a hereford in every was except lacking the "feather neck." I bought her at a sale last year and she produced a hereford calf, although not a horned one. This year i bred her to an angus bull so it will be interesting to see what her calf looks like.
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eddie
Posted 1/25/2010 22:50 (#1041561 - in reply to #1041060)
Subject: How can you see implants in the steers in those pictures?


I don't see how it is possible to see if those calves are implanted or not from a picture.  Help me out.

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Roy@ranch
Posted 1/25/2010 23:02 (#1041605 - in reply to #1041561)
Subject: RE: How can you see implants in the steers in those pictures?


North Cental Mo.		I wondered that also.

Roy
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Jim
Posted 1/25/2010 23:55 (#1041732 - in reply to #1041605)
Subject: RE: How can you see implants in the steers in those pictures?


Driftless SW Wisconsin

I know someone who uses an implant or marker that looks a bit like the yellow buttons in the ears of a couple of the cattle pictured.  Looking at them closer, I see those are RFID tags, especially since these are in Canada. My mistake. Yes, one would not be able to see the injected  implants.

Jim at Dawn



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melchor
Posted 1/26/2010 01:54 (#1041829 - in reply to #1041561)
Subject: RE: How can you see implants in the steers in those pictures?


South Dakota		Hereford genetics impart remarkable feed efficiency but the downside to that is they are hard to feed with other cattle. They finish before continental influenced calves and they are relatively easy to get "over fat". Thats why feathernecked cattle are discounted at auction barns.

True hereford cattle are mature at 900-1000 pounds, have horns, white face, neck, belly, and socks. Almost all hereford genetics today have some simmental. The Hereford people crossed with simmental a long time ago to get polled herefords, increase size, and attempt to improve pigmentation to reduce eye problems. Thats how we have polled hereford cows with red legs and red eye patches weighing 1700#.

I had guessed about implants because it looked like a few of those calves had high tailheads.

You put em on a video auction?

Edited by melchor 1/26/2010 01:57
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Dave-ECIA
Posted 1/26/2010 09:03 (#1042047 - in reply to #1041829)
Subject: Ummm, I'm not so sure



As someone who grew up around commercial Herefords and incorporated Simmental into the mix, I've got a little history on the subject.

Herefords (horned), unless they were hard range animals, were not all mature at 900-1000 lbs. We were selling culls (aged cows probably 15yrs old +) back in the 70's that were weighing 11-1200lbs in the fall just after weaning and just off grass. Those old Herefords carried the traits that Jim is looking for now, thick bodied, moderate statured, heavy boned, easy keepers.

Polled Herefords showed up in the 50's. My memory says that they were developed from a genetically polled calf, and developed through a breeder finding the blood that caused it and line-bred for it. They were generally lighter framed, and lighter muscled. Definatly not traits of the Simmental breed at the time. Simmentals were imported in large scale in the late 60's, long after Polled Herefords were developed. I think a Canadian brought in a bull called Parisien, from France in 1967 or 1968.

The original Simmentals mostly varied from yellow belted to red spotted, were large framed, heavy boned and horned critters. No way that Polled Herefords at the time were in any way genetically related to them.
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Jim
Posted 1/26/2010 09:15 (#1042067 - in reply to #1042047)
Subject: RE: Ummm, I'm not so sure


Driftless SW Wisconsin

Thanks for the history, Dave.

Some other Hereford traits that are important to me is good disposition, good outwintering ability, good mothering and maybe most of all calving ease. Calving ease is my #1 as an absentee cattle owner. If she can't calve on her own she and her calf may both be dead by the time I find them.At that point it doesn't matter what color they are.

Simmentals are not known for calving ease but the dam must be mostly Hereford and has no problems. Hereford bulls impart a lot of those traits to other breeds.

What Herefords are lacking is some of the marketing of the Angus. I think there will be a time however when you will see "Certified Hereford Beef" on dividers at the grocery store.

Jim at Dawn



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eddie
Posted 1/26/2010 10:01 (#1042145 - in reply to #1042067)
Subject: RE: Ummm, I'm not so sure


So where are all the herefords going to come from to fulfill demand for certified hereford beef?  Half the hereford calves I see sell aren't worth a bucket of corn to feed them and the only place I hear anybody say anything good about them is on here.  Guys will fight over black cows at sales and watch herefords walk through with only a single bid, usually the slaughter cow buyer.
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Russ In Idaho
Posted 1/26/2010 10:23 (#1042193 - in reply to #1042067)
Subject: RE: Herfords and stores.....


We have a grocery chain in Idaho & Utah that markets Herford beef in it's stores. It just burns my butt to see buyers discount some red cattle as calves, then a year later those same cattle mixed in a group of yearlings bring the same money! A local guy here bought a bunch of heifers last year, 70% red 30% black. I asked him why on earth was he buying reds? He said they where cheaper. I told him they were the better heifers in the bunch, as they were bigger frame size. He agreed with me. When he sold them in the fall they all brought the same money!
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Harp4430
Posted 1/26/2010 10:42 (#1042221 - in reply to #1042193)
Subject: RE: Herfords and stores.....


Your saying the only thing that made them better was frame score?  Cattle breeding must be a lot easier than I thought, just line them up by height.  I got rid of that mind set years ago, sure seems to make thing work better in our enviroment.
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Russ In Idaho
Posted 1/26/2010 11:08 (#1042252 - in reply to #1042221)
Subject: RE: Herfords and stores.....


No i'm don't saying they were better, just by the height of them. I just have a hard time getting my point across. But tell me this black angus thing is getting to be a joke, yes they are good cattle. But tell me how come I can put Hol/black angus cross calves on a load of black angus calves, and the buyer can't tell them from the black angus? When that hide comes off there is no difference in a black or red angus calf. And I can't tell Herford from Angus beef in the store, it shore looks the same to me. Yes I agree on different cattle for different areas. I do know Herford, Black Angus, Red Agnus, etc. pretty much work here. The flop ear thin hided cattle don't work too well here.

Edited by Russ In Idaho 1/26/2010 11:13
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Roy@ranch
Posted 1/26/2010 12:46 (#1042350 - in reply to #1042252)
Subject: RE: Herfords and stores.....


North Cental Mo.		I'll only comment on the Hol/Angus cross part. Most buyers, and all good buyers can tell that difference.

Roy
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Joelt
Posted 1/26/2010 13:05 (#1042371 - in reply to #1042350)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


perryton, tx		You guys make interesting comments. What i wonder about is if you go to mcdonalds or sonic you can order their "angus burger"; are we to assume the meat in their other burgers is all from some other breed? The whole "angus beef" thing is getting a little out of hand IMO.
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Russ In Idaho
Posted 1/26/2010 21:38 (#1043153 - in reply to #1042350)
Subject: RE:Roy........


These calves I talk about were bred with black Angus bulls on first calf Hol. heifers. They came all black, with refined heads. They had no white hair on them, no stars, white stockings, etc. like you generally get breeding black to Hol. You couldn't pick them out of the herd, I knew which ones they were because I raised them here at the ranch, and put them on a Superior Livestock contract that fall. Yes I do know what the reg. Hol. Black Angus crosses give you, but these fit right in a 1,600 head contract. And believe me the Superior rep. knew his cattle, also the buyer was there with the rep. as well. they couldn't pick them out.

I also had another pen of those type of calves, I sold to a friend a group of ten head. He took them out to 800-900 Wts. He was right in top of market when he sold them. I will agree most all Hol. X Angus crosses come with the markings what I call a Mormon holstein, white stockings, stars in forehead, etc. They stick out like a sore thumb. I quit breeding Hol. heifers to black bulls at least fifteen years ago. These two lots I talk about were the case the bull bailed over the fence and bred the Hol., It wasn't done on purpose. I sure wish I would have took pics of them. Call me stupid or what ever you what, but I do know it to be true.

By the way doesn't the Black Angus have Holstein bred into them way back? I've read that before, I wish I could find that article as well.
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MU1979
Posted 1/27/2010 08:59 (#1043785 - in reply to #1043153)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


Missouri		What you write is true and so funny. Get and have to be really careful as we see some of these black dairy calves, only so many one can put on a load before they get noticed. They have trouble grading on the kill sheet. Remember years ago actually ran some straight spots in the feed yard and would put one on every pot that went to the killers, (pre qrid days). The Angus breed tries hard to forget where frame size and hard feeders, came from. That article is buried, with many of the breeders that did it. Have a Good Day.
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Russ In Idaho
Posted 1/27/2010 10:17 (#1043916 - in reply to #1043785)
Subject: Re:I found the article


I remembered reading it a few years ago. What is a Breed? http://beefmagazine.com/mag/beef_breed/index.html I also found this when looking for the first one, It talks about what Five river feeders wants in their cattle http://www.bifconference.com/bif2006/pdfs/Brink.pdf

Edited by Russ In Idaho 1/27/2010 10:23
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Jim
Posted 1/28/2010 00:33 (#1045305 - in reply to #1043916)
Subject: Re:I found the article


Driftless SW Wisconsin

Russ, that second link regarding Five Rivers preferences in feeder cattle is very interesting. Thank you for the link. Seems like my Herefords are not even on their map.

Looking into it a bit more it looks like they were purchased by JBS from Brazil in 2008 along with Packerland, Swift and a couple others. It appears a good part of the US beef industry is now owned by a Brazilian company???

Jim at Dawn

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Dave-ECIA
Posted 1/26/2010 15:04 (#1042530 - in reply to #1042252)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers



***Joke/sarcasm warning***

If a buyer can't tell the difference between a black holstein and an angus fat steer, what kind of spindly-legged, skinny-assed angus are you raising out there????

***end joke/sarcasm***

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Carry on......

Dave

Dave
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melchor
Posted 1/27/2010 21:05 (#1044786 - in reply to #1042047)
Subject: RE: Ummm, I'm not so sure


South Dakota		I should have clarified. The original polled herefords would fall apart when the ranchers treated em like their hardy horned cattle. And I am talking about range cattle. The simmental breeding was introduced to try and gain back what they had lost by breeding for polled at the cost of every other trait. There were simmental cattle in the country before the 1960's but thats when everyone says they showed up because of that bull. In any case it was around that time the Hereford breeders started crossing with those simmentals, who could be horned or polled, to gain frame, muscle, and eye color. Today's hereford are not your grandpa's herefords.
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wade4545
Posted 1/26/2010 02:33 (#1041835 - in reply to #1040027)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers



No implants in these steers guys... Ill say it again. Yes they are Rfid tags (your required to have them in every animal when its born) Im sure they will be implanted now at the feed lot when they start getting barley. No just sold them to a guy. I think these "feathernecks" are a lot better animals than some of these black animals i see around.
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Russ In Idaho
Posted 1/26/2010 05:04 (#1041856 - in reply to #1041835)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


I sure like your cattle, I raise black and red Angus, also a little Hereford and Gelbvieh influence in them. I would take your cattle any day. Here is a market report from a sale barn 70 miles from last week http://burleylivestock.com/marketreport.htm
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Dave-ECIA
Posted 1/26/2010 09:21 (#1042080 - in reply to #1041835)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers



Good looking cattle Wade. That last calf picture should be a magazine cover, pretty picture.

Those calves look like they should do well in the feedlot. Looks like they are ready to be pushed and should be very profitable to the buyer. Can you give us a little more info? Age, any creep, backgrounding, etc? Always interested in hearing how others do their thing.

They remind me of the calves we were raising when first crossed Simmys to our old Herf cows. I think we're going back there again. The black hides mean less on a fat today than they used to.

Dave

Edited by Dave-ECIA 1/26/2010 09:28
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wade4545
Posted 1/26/2010 16:31 (#1042626 - in reply to #1042080)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers



Dave-ECIA - 1/26/2010 08:21

Good looking cattle Wade. That last calf picture should be a magazine cover, pretty picture.

Those calves look like they should do well in the feedlot. Looks like they are ready to be pushed and should be very profitable to the buyer. Can you give us a little more info? Age, any creep, backgrounding, etc? Always interested in hearing how others do their thing.

They remind me of the calves we were raising when first crossed Simmys to our old Herf cows. I think we're going back there again. The black hides mean less on a fat today than they used to.

Dave


Thanks Dave, Age= 9-11 months i guess. (most being in that 10 months, we start calvin heifers in mid-end feb. Then cows start March 1st. Bulls are pulled after 60 days. They are on oats all summer, then we had them on barley silage mixed with some oats and free choice hay for 80 days after we weaned them.

Ya dont get me wrong there is lots of quality black cattle, but i get sick of hearing this "Angus Burger" beef is beef in my mind. Ill be willing to bet those "Angus Burgers" dont have as much "Angus" in them as they say. Its just they have brain washed city people into thinking Angus is the best. Maybe its time us "feathernecks" started a marketing campaign?
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Jim
Posted 1/26/2010 09:22 (#1042084 - in reply to #1041835)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


Driftless SW Wisconsin

Wade, you do such a good job with your steers that they LOOK like they have been implanted! I agree, they are an excellent looking group of cattle.

I like your video clip. Some other breed steers would NOT be licking your hand...

You raise them pretty intensively compared to mine but there are many ways to raise good cattle.

Very good job on them and thanks for putting up the pictures.

Jim at Dawn



Edited by Jim 1/26/2010 09:24
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wade4545
Posted 1/26/2010 16:35 (#1042632 - in reply to #1042084)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers



Jim - 1/26/2010 08:22

Wade, you do such a good job with your steers that they LOOK like they have been implanted! I agree, they are an excellent looking group of cattle.

I like your video clip. Some other breed steers would NOT be licking your hand...

You raise them pretty intensively compared to mine but there are many ways to raise good cattle.

Very good job on them and thanks for putting up the pictures.

Jim at Dawn



A wild cow isnt welcome by me. She charges me or is just plain wild, she takes a one way trip to the auction. Too many good cattle to be needing to deal with the wild ones.
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David in MD
Posted 1/26/2010 12:29 (#1042332 - in reply to #1040027)
Subject: RE: Pictures of Steers



Finish 30 head a year for freezer beef that are bought as various size feeders, mostly black, a few herefords, and some crosses. We'll feed anything except holsteins (eat too much, too dumb, greater tendancy to bloat on pasture, twisted stomachs, tear up fences, etc.) and brahma x which are just too wild. When it comes time to select one for my freezer I always pick a hereford. I think a calmer animal makes better beef and I haven't had any bad beef yet. If we have any extra to sell at the auction we'll always take angus as we hate to get a nickel less for herefords when they are just as good if not better eating..
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V_Key
Posted 1/26/2010 15:12 (#1042535 - in reply to #1040027)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


Gilroy 35 Miles Over the Hill From Santa Cruz		101 LIVESTOCK AUCTION
http://www.101livestock.com/marketreview.htm

Info needed for Source & Age Verified Calves

Electronic Tags
Paper work includes
Premise #
Vaccination Program
Calving dates (example: 1st calf born Sept. 1)


To get your premise number you can log on to www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/pais/ or call (916)654-1447

Premise number must be valid to use 840 tags. If you don't have a premise number we can sell you 982 tags but must have a affidavit signed and on file for source.



Required Vaccination Programs to go with Electronic ID tags



*Program 1— 8-WAY w/ Pasurella W/ Bacterin & Toxoid (must be modified live);

4-WAY + LEPTO 5 Modified Live Virus (must be modified live)



*Program 2— 8-WAY w/ Pasurella W/ Bacterin & Toxoid (must be modified live) BOOSTED

4-WAY + LEPTO 5 Modified Live Virus (must be modified live) BOOSTED

Although Pasturella is not required we recommend it.



BOOST AT LEAST 2 WEEKS PRIOR TO SHIPPING. Follow lable directions.



Note: Do not vaccinate just prior to shipping, follow label instructions. No Killed Vaccines.

*Program 3 - Weaned calves must be off cow 45 days or 21 days with nasel device.



Edited by V_Key 1/26/2010 15:14
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V_Key
Posted 1/26/2010 16:05 (#1042591 - in reply to #1040027)
Subject: Re: Angus &/or Herefords


Gilroy 35 Miles Over the Hill From Santa Cruz		As per My Dad
He worked foe 5 or 6 top Hereford Ranches in the 50's - Hereford Breeders in general were down on Polled Herefords - it was generally thought that one had to sacrifice to many good Traits to breed off the horns.
It was about this same time the Angus Assoc. Started building the Angus Breed and was the 1st breed to realy do so - they had No Horns to worry about.
It took Herefords 20 years to get "Ride of their Horns" and start working on Traits - in the past 20 years they have done a good job of "Catch up"

Edited by V_Key 1/26/2010 16:07
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johndeere1
Posted 1/26/2010 17:31 (#1042718 - in reply to #1042591)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Steers


Central Saskatchewan Canada		I beleive the Angus association has done a great job of selling there brand. Its not there fault the have succeded in building a market that thinks "angus beef" is better. I sell some fats to Brooks plant and was getting a few cents per pound more if they had any angus in them. I don't care whats better I will grow what ever makes me more money.
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