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ahay68979
Posted 12/24/2009 18:57 (#984179)
Subject: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Saronville NE
What can you tell me about the old detroit diesel engines? What series were the screamers? What is there to watch out for? Are the old V series the screamers? How would they be for a 3k mile a yr farm truck? Thanks for any info you can give me.
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hillfarm91
Posted 12/24/2009 19:08 (#984192 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Holton,KS
Had a V6-71 in a field queen it is loud. Still going strong. Also have a 6V-92 it doesnt seem near as loud. Dont know why.
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Gerald J.
Posted 12/24/2009 19:10 (#984197 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?



All the screamers were two cycle engines, made inline and V. The smallest was 53 cubic inches per cylinder then there was a line of 71 and a bigger one. They included a roots blower for intake that pressurizes a chamber around the cylinders for piston intake valves. That chamber accumulates oil and condensate so is vented to the ground giving the impression the engine needs a diaper all the time.

The 2-53 was used in the JD435 tractor and 3-71 were used in some Olivers. And several have been used to replace factory engines in all makes.

Modern engine they aren't, but they will do a day's work so long as you don't mind leaving a trail of oily water. Bigger ones are used on yachts. Google Detroit two cycle diesel, and you will be entertained for days.

Gerald J.
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Detroit
Posted 12/24/2009 19:13 (#984204 - in reply to #984197)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Crawfordsville, Arkansas
4-53's were used in 1900/1950 Olivers. Best sounding tractor on the farm in my opinion.
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tommyw-5088
Posted 12/24/2009 19:13 (#984205 - in reply to #984197)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Texas
neat , tough old engines , the smallest were a 2 -3 cyl. 53 cubic in per cyl .

the latest model was a 92 cubic inch / cyl.

while searching google " silver 92 series ".
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cutncrop
Posted 12/24/2009 19:12 (#984203 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Clarksdale Delta Dixieland
The 238's are the screamers, rev up to about 2500rpm, with the right exhaust, they sound the best. 318 drips a little oil out of blow by. Green 92's pretty good engines, but silver 92's are the best. A 6v92tta would be my choice for farm truck. 350 hp and pretty good torque. Runs real good with a 9 speed tranny. Keep your idle time to a minimum to reduce blow by. These engines run best if you drive'em like they are gas burners.
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Badger
Posted 12/24/2009 19:17 (#984212 - in reply to #984203)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Huntley Montana
Don't drive like a gasser. SLAM your fingers in the door & drive them like your P!SSED.. They don't like to be lugged. Neighbors will know when your within 10 mi. Good old engines, they just "mark " their terratory.
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ndk4320
Posted 12/24/2009 22:43 (#984423 - in reply to #984212)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


eastern, Pa
drive it like you stole it
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smfarms
Posted 12/24/2009 19:20 (#984216 - in reply to #984203)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Northern IN.
Wouldn't have one in a truck for any money! No lugging power. Only good if you drive it like you stol it!
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il weedman
Posted 12/24/2009 19:55 (#984255 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


St. Charles, MO & Piper City, IL
53 series was the screamer. Topped about 3250 and sounded great with straights. The 71 series topped about 2550 and the 92 series about 2350. Very good engines if you drove them hard and didn't idle them. Idleing killed them as the would "carbon up" and get a grit inside the motor from not being hot enough. They were notorius for throwing fan blades and when they got above 200 degrees you could just about figure on replacing heads. No lug on the 53 & 71 but the 92 had a little more bottom end. They did build a 149 series that was in generators and marine applications. Saw a 12V-149 in a semi and the louisville truck show once in a showtruck but don't think it was "road legal". All show and no go!

Edited by il weedman 12/24/2009 19:56
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Fla Veggie Farmer
Posted 12/24/2009 22:51 (#984439 - in reply to #984255)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Southeast Florida
"Saw a 12V-149 in a semi and the Louisville truck show once in a show truck but don't think it was "road legal". All show and no go!"

How in the Hell did they fit it under the hood? While in Hawaii we leased a farm that was a former Del Monte that had a 12V-149 for the irrigation motor. That thing was huge! 1,000 HP continuous; 4, turbochargers, 2, blowers and twin 12" exhaust pipes. I'm 6'5" tall and I had to climb a latter to do anything. The Amarillo Gear head had a man hole on the side and was 10' tall.
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il weedman
Posted 12/24/2009 23:03 (#984450 - in reply to #984439)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


St. Charles, MO & Piper City, IL

Was in a long strech KW cabover. Like 300" WB. The engine stuck way out the back of the double sleeper cab and had an allison auto behind it. It was quit the deal. Would have liked to hear it run once!

 

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Fla Veggie Farmer
Posted 12/24/2009 23:25 (#984479 - in reply to #984450)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Southeast Florida
It would have to be pulling it's own tanker to any real pulling, LOL. The motor burned around 55 gph of diesel pumping 2,200 gpm @ 60 psi. It had a 1,100' lift.
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Ernie
Posted 12/25/2009 13:01 (#985219 - in reply to #984479)
Subject: Wifes Cousin had one in a



North End I-15
Cab over Pete . Took it out and put in a Silver 92 . Sold the V12 to an oil company . It went to AK for a rig .
Monster engine.
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RB55
Posted 12/24/2009 20:30 (#984282 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


NWKS
I have an 80 pete with a 8v92 OO engine. I've run it for 17 or 18 years now on the farm and in the silage field from Texas to Neb. The v engines are not that noisey do lack for low end compared to a 4 stroke engine. The dripping oil is a sign of worn rings had mine rebuilt a few years ago and almost no drips at all. We put 100 ml injectors in at rebuild time so it's 475 hp. Usually grosses around 66000 with grain and will carry it 70 mph uphill and down. If its in good shape and the price is right I would not be afraid to own it. Don't drive it like your mad you take care of it and it will give you some good years. I did hear that parts for the 2 strokes are getting hard to find might be something to think about.
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Jon Hagen
Posted 12/24/2009 21:46 (#984345 - in reply to #984282)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
The old 2 cycle Detroits with the iron pistons could be put to work almost immediatly after a cold start, unlike an engine with aluminum pistons where the pistons need to heat up to fit the cylinders. Great for a truck that gets cold sitting in the field, then needs to be started and immediatly driven.

I had to laugh at the engine starting instructions for my old Allis Chalmers HD5 track loader with a 2-71 Detroit.

Instructions are," push the throttle wide open, crank the engine, when it starts, let it run fast until it hits on both cylinders and reduce throttle setting to 3/4. As soon as the oil pressure stabilizes, the engine can be put to work. " Try that crap with an aluminum piston 4 cycle diesel and watch the parts fly.

Have used 4-53--2-71--3-71--6-71--8V92TI for 30 + years and love the old guys. Only the 8V-92TI tells you to restrict engine rpm to 1500 until the oil warms so as not to oil starve the turbo bearing.

I still keep the old 8V-92 semi tractor around that I have run for almost 30 years. Only replaced it with two day cab trucks with 4 cycle 6 cylinder engines when we got old enough to not want to climb up in a cab over rig 10 times per day.
When your used to an engine that fires all 8 cylinders every revolution of the crank, it is darn hard to like the way those 4 cycle 6 cylinders run when firing only 3 cylinders per revolution of the crank, rough as heck compared to an 8V anything..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1XbZYJwsaA

Edited by Jon Hagen 12/24/2009 22:11
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Hay Hud Ohio
Posted 12/24/2009 21:23 (#984321 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Yes they will run backwards



SW Ohio
air starters sound cool too!
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Stormwatcher
Posted 12/24/2009 21:42 (#984338 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


WCMO-SWMO Area
Great old engines back in there day and still capable of getting the job done today. Back in the 1960's-70's probably half of the nations freight was hauled by 238 or 318 Detroit powered trucks. Even in the early 1980's several of the grain haulers that loaded out of my grain bins ran 318's and one had an 8V-92. I always had to listen to them leave as they were one of the most unique sounding engines ever built.
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lancef53
Posted 12/24/2009 22:16 (#984384 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Portland, ND
We have a couple on the farm, they are tough old buggers. We have an '83 Freightliner Triple Axle with a 6v92 silver. I have been expecting it to blow up for about 5 years, but it keeps going. We use it in the yard around the seed plant, so it idles alot. It drips and blows by lots of oil, and we have to add oil often. We have the mate to it in a parked truck that isn't stretched, we figured we would just swap engines when the triple blew up--we are still waiting.

When I was young and dumb, I had a strait pipe on it. on a quiet night you could hear it coming for 5 or 6 miles. They really scream at about 1700 rpm.
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rollig
Posted 12/24/2009 22:51 (#984438 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


SCMN
6V71 in a tri-axe Ford, loud and leaks like a sieve. If it isn't leaking oil you better add some. If it's on the dipstick you are usually good for the day. Good for bees wing control around the dryer as they stick to the oil. Rev er up and go!
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mike85
Posted 12/24/2009 23:17 (#984466 - in reply to #984438)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


E.C. IA
When I was on the wheat harvest in '86 87 had 318's in Ford 9000's. A couple of them had turbos as well as the blower. They were not as loud as blower only. Good running trucks, usually gross 62-65000. One was overhauled & had larger injectors. On a calm day you could follow the smoke trail back from the elevator. We still have a Cockshutt Golden Eagle with a 4-53 transplant. The neighbors know every time we use it-earplugs are pretty much mandatory. Decent engines but $$ to overhaul as I remember. They do like to mark their territory.
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ahay68979
Posted 12/24/2009 23:36 (#984502 - in reply to #984466)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Saronville NE
Well thanks for some info guys. Just thinking about a older grain truck, that I found with one in it, I would use it to haul grain outa the bins in winter and haul silage in the fall. I learned how to drive 13 spd behind a old screaming detroit back when I was young, helping a neighbor cut silage, it was an old early 70s IH, with a airride cab, everybody knew you were coming with that thing. This is a later model Detroit in like a 79 Truck, but cant remember the exact number of it right now.
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plowboy
Posted 12/24/2009 23:56 (#984534 - in reply to #984502)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?



Brazilton KS

If the engine and truck are in good condition, you won't go wrong for your use.  Fuel efficiency will kill them on the road, but @ 3000 miles per year that's hardly worth considering.  An 8v71, 6v92, or 8v92 won't cost much to replace from a salvage yard, either.  They are tough old engines....if you can get it started, it will run all day no matter how worn out it is.  There used to be some TS14 scrapers around here which took most of a can of either per engine to get started, but they ran 'til the job was done, and probably the next one, and the next one, and...

 

I remember some literature I had back in the late 80s which was talking about the things Jon mentioned. The page on generator applications had information on the lag between the time the generator was tiggered and when it came online @ full power.  The lag of the 2 stroke DDA was something like 1/4th that of the nearest competition.  When it cranks, it hits on every cylinder the first round and it's off, then it accellerates to synconous speed much faster then a 4 stroke. Plus, it has no restrictions on going to full load immediately at startup @ normal room temperatures.   I guess it's useless information, but in a way it's similar to the life of a farm truck.

 

Nothing smoother then an 8v71 @ 2350 rpm.... over 300 times per second a cylinder is hitting.  An 855 @ 1900 hits less then 100 times per second.  Well, maybe a 12v would be smoother.....someday I want a truck with a 12V71 or 92...that would take it up to almost 500 fires per second!

 

Yes, the 2 stroke DDA is said to be the most efficient device created to turn diesel fuel into noize, but it will 'haul the mail'

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bullhauler
Posted 12/25/2009 11:01 (#984971 - in reply to #984534)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Denhoff,ND right in the center of the State
I run a 1974 IH cabover with a inline 6-71 Detroit, 238 HP and 13 speed trans. Not the fastest on the road but will pull anything that the big HP trucks do just a little slower at getting there, I hauled home some 1,300 bushel loads of wheat off the fields this fall with it, that old Detroit could be heard for miles and miles away, also hauled home nearly 3,000 large round bales with it this fall. My dad bought the truck brand new, it was a single axle and he stretched it and added a air liftable tag axle on it. It has over 1.3 million miles on it and and still looks and runs like a top. Terry

Edited by bullhauler 12/25/2009 11:05
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il weedman
Posted 12/25/2009 13:03 (#985222 - in reply to #984971)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


St. Charles, MO & Piper City, IL
Got any pics? I love the old iron.
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fuelfarmer
Posted 12/24/2009 23:37 (#984505 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Virginia

We sometimes use an old 6-71 to pump water. Years ago a pump was installed onto an oid truck frame. The emergency shut off shuts of the air, not the fuel, because they can run on the crank case oil for a while after something bad happens.  Won't win any best in show awards. Jlynn was running veggie oil in it this summer. Only running 1550 RPM in yuotube clip. Turn up the volume while watching.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhR10JUbi3U 

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dixonman
Posted 12/25/2009 00:57 (#984613 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Have a v-6 53 in a GMC tandem, bought it cheap because no one wants the 2 strokers, has been very good to me. Driving reminds me of my younger days hauling grain with the old 2 strokers, buddy had an old w900 with a 8 v92 silver with 2 turbos on top of the supercharger and a allison tranny it would run over 100 with 1100 bu of corn, don't ask me how I know this.
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JohnW
Posted 12/25/2009 02:23 (#984666 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


NW Washington
I read once that the GM/Detroit 71 series engine was in production for over 50 years. It first came out in 1938/39 and had a great run. Air quality standards were their down fall. Just not a good way to clean up the exhaust good enough to meet current standards.
Allis Chalmers crawlers also used the 2-71 through 6-71 in their crawlers until they bought out Buda engine co. and had a source of their own diesel engines.
An old ex-Marine friend told me that the Sherman tanks used by the Marines in Asia in WW II were powered by two 6-71's. That must have been a joy for the tank crews to live with those too screaming Jimmy's as they used to be called before they changed the name to Detroit Diesel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Diesel_Series_71
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95h
Posted 12/25/2009 10:05 (#984875 - in reply to #984666)
Subject: RE: You can't sneek up on a Bombing range ....Found the pics


Kittitas Co. Wa. State

I have to wear 2 sets of hearing protectors and after 8-9 hours I still get headaches from the noise !!

Neighbor over a mile away Upwind hears me when I'm running this thing. Yah it's old, (new engine thou,, 4-71) and it moves dirt !  Just not real fast, especially uphill.

Wish it had more power than it does.

Pic 1 is where I hauled dirt to. 3-4 fill over 200 feet long by 30 feet wide, and new irrigation system I put in.

Pic 2 is where I hauled dirt from.  I tapered the cut from 50-60 feet back from road down to road level. There was a 700 foot bank along the road 10 feet high. The the top of the road sign was the level of the field when I started. Took 2 weeks of 9 hour days to haul All the dirt.  



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Joel Harman
Posted 12/25/2009 08:56 (#984776 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


N.C. Oregon
6v71 in a P&H trackhoe. Makes the canyons reverberate when I fire it up.
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Ind Dave
Posted 12/25/2009 11:00 (#984969 - in reply to #984776)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?



Edinburgh, IN 46124
Back in early 70s used to drive a 68 GMC crackerbox with a 6-71 238 10 spd Talk about an experience! wouldn't keep up with the Cummins 250's But when you got in the mountians of Ky it would run off ond leave them.
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BOGTROTTER
Posted 12/25/2009 11:55 (#985081 - in reply to #984969)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Kingston,Mi
When I was in training in the army to be a generator mechanic, one of the engines that we disassembled and reassembled in the engine class was a 6-71. The test at the end of assembly was to have the instructor balance a dime on the instrument panel on these industrial engines. You passed this particular engine rebuild when the dime stayed upright on it's edge while the instructor revved it up and brought down thru several cycles. These engines are so ell balanced that the engine stands where not bolted to the floor like the Continals or Cummins. The engine can be made to run in reverse by sticking the cam in the opposite side of the engine and switching the cam gears over. Strickly for emergency use this way such as when powering a boat. There is of course the correct cam and gear set available to do this correctly. One of the instructors was very adament about having the damper connected on all test stand engines, as he had rebuild 6 of the 6-71 in a rebuild shop and had attached them to test cells (generators powering load banks). He had not connected the damper as nothing was going to go wrong. Fired up one engine and motored the other five to life and started the test. One of the motors started to run away (probably sucking oil thru a bad seal in the blower) could not shut it down since it was drawing fuel from the crankcase. Since the 6 engines were running on a synchronised system where one went five followed. The engines were pasted 6000 rpm when they let lose. He had wisely left the test cell when they could not be shut down.
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MKing
Posted 12/25/2009 12:07 (#985111 - in reply to #985081)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


NW IN
I have a 3-53 and a 4-71 as stationary engines running drainage pumps. They are very fuel efficient for what we do with them. A times they will run for a month straight with only shutdowns for service. the 4-71 is 1950s vintage. It has to have 15,000 hours on it since I've owned it. Don't know how many before me. It probably has been rebuilt at some point in it's life, just not since I've known it.
Also had a 6-71 in a GMC "crackerbox" back in the early 80s that was intresting to drive.
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Ernie
Posted 12/25/2009 13:06 (#985229 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Cousin in AK



North End I-15
was comercial fisherman . Said the detroits were the engine to get you home . Tough to walk away from a fishing boat @ sea :>)
He ran a 6 cylindar one with the front end of engine glowing red . It had spun out a bearing but it got him to port . Never started or ran again . Like he said , not an easy walk home from a dead boat in rough seas.
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JohnW
Posted 12/25/2009 13:50 (#985299 - in reply to #985229)
Subject: RE: Cousin in AK


NW Washington
I was talking to an old retired trucker one day and the told me he put a million miles on a truck with a 8V-71. He said it never got me anywhere very fast, but it always got me home.
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Steiger Man
Posted 12/25/2009 13:46 (#985296 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Sunburst Montana
Does anybody know were the 6-110 series come in?  Never even heard of the engine until my neighbor gave me a whole bunch of service manuals for farm and construction machinery. 
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il weedman
Posted 12/25/2009 14:35 (#985338 - in reply to #985296)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


St. Charles, MO & Piper City, IL
Thats a new one on me. So it would be a 110 cubes per cylinder. Wow. 6-110 would fit in a truck or tractor!
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Jon Hagen
Posted 12/25/2009 15:04 (#985373 - in reply to #985338)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
il weedman - 12/26/2009 13:35

Thats a new one on me. So it would be a 110 cubes per cylinder. Wow. 6-110 would fit in a truck or tractor!



I have only been around one 6-110, built in the 50's and 110 CI per cylinder.

Besides being somewhat larger, the thing that most distinguished it from the 71 series was that it use a big centrifical gear driven blower at the rear of the engine in place of the more common Roots style blower on the side of the 71 series.

It's been so long, but I seem to remember that the 110 series was made only as an inline 6, the 6-110.

Another oddball was the valveless 51 series of the 50's, it used only intake and exhaust ports like a weed eater engine. The only thing for the camshaft to operate was the injectors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQVRr62XCpw&NR=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Diesel_110

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Diesel_Series_51

Edited by Jon Hagen 12/25/2009 21:08
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lancef53
Posted 12/25/2009 23:04 (#985891 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Portland, ND
I know for a fact that a 6V92 silver will run backwards, I have done it by accident. I was moving our old semi with a full load, and killed it on a grade. It rolled backwards and started up, but the oil pressure light came on. I let out the clutch, and the first gear was reverse. I could rev the engine, but I shut it off because of the oil light. I started it up and it ran fine afterwards.

I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't been behind the wheel.
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fuelfarmer
Posted 12/26/2009 08:49 (#986123 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Virginia

One interesting thing about our 6-71, don't know about other models, you can pull some covers and see the pistons through the intake ports. We have been running veggie oil so it is fun to peer in every now and then to see if bad thing are going on.

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ronm
Posted 12/26/2009 13:54 (#986505 - in reply to #986123)
Subject: ring inspection-


Fruita CO
Take a pick or little screwdriver & push on the rings, if it's not springy, you've got a broken or stuck one....how is it liking that VO?
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dondozer
Posted 12/27/2009 17:51 (#988695 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: Re: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


NW Ohio,near Findlay
The screemers were the 53 series, most would only rev to around 3000. Any higher would be bad. If you don't own one, don't buy it unless to plan to repower. Where I worked we had at one time about 10 pieces of equipment with 53 series motors in them. Was the number one reason company about went under, nothing would stay running.
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OleWestPrairie
Posted 2/28/2015 13:31 (#4420807 - in reply to #984179)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


Tri-State Area (WI, MN, IA)
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nekfarmer
Posted 2/28/2015 14:20 (#4420886 - in reply to #4420807)
Subject: RE: What can you tell me about da old detroit diesels?


NE KS
We have a 6v-53T in a floater liquid truck. Doesn't get alot of hrs a year but it hasn't let us down. Has plenty of power for what we need. It won't lug at all but it does run like a striped assed ape up top. Its not too loud, but ours has a muffler.
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