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stuartny
Posted 12/13/2023 15:23 (#10522916)
Subject: Shallow plowing


New York
I am looking for advice on moldboard plows for shallow (4 to 6inches). I currently have a 16inch plow which plows best at 10inches. But I'm getting too old to deal with the resulting rocks. Many moons ago I used to plough (shallow) at 12inch width. So I am looking at variable widths plows such as Kverneland and Kuhn to reduce the width, to reduce the depth. Any comments on these, or other thoughts.

Thank you
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Aaron SEIA
Posted 12/13/2023 15:26 (#10522923 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Guess the first question I'd ask is do you really need to plow? Lots of ways to move dirt at 4-6" without a plow.
AaronSEIA
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stuartny
Posted 12/13/2023 15:29 (#10522926 - in reply to #10522923)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


New York		Yes. Only plowing 20% each year, otherwise no-till and min-till.
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farmer_white
Posted 12/13/2023 15:30 (#10522929 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


SC WI		Somewhere I read width should be 2x depth.

Edited by farmer_white 12/13/2023 15:30
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1070
Posted 12/13/2023 15:33 (#10522933 - in reply to #10522929)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


south west in
farmer_white - 12/13/2023 15:30

Somewhere I read width should be 2x depth.
that's my understanding also. 16" plow 8" deep. 14" plow 7" deep.
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boog
Posted 12/13/2023 17:41 (#10523085 - in reply to #10522933)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing



That's an old wives' tale. We plowed about 200 ac this year. Run 16" IH plows 12" deep, 250+ corn, non chopping head no stalk prep ahead of the plows. Growing up back in the late '50s / earl'60s we plowed 10" deep with 14" plows. Did chop stalks back then with a flail chopper.
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thefarmers
Posted 12/13/2023 17:59 (#10523113 - in reply to #10523085)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Plowed,with 14, 16, 18, and 20. Always just plowed the depth we wanted iregardless of plow size. Usually 8-10”.
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Glenn W.
Posted 12/13/2023 15:33 (#10522932 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Southeast Washington		We used to plow in the good old days with a JD plow. Seemed like in our soil anyway there was no such thing as plowing shallow. It needs to be in the ground running dirt up over the moldboard to help hold it in the ground. Otherwise it could be slightly in the ground one moment and then skidding across the top in the straw the next moment. You may be looking at a disk, high speed disk or a vertical tillage tool to help be consistent at a shallower depth.
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jd4930
Posted 12/13/2023 16:30 (#10523001 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Central ND		I'm far from an expert but a moldboard plow does not seem like the appropriate tool for 4" depth?
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cyclones30
Posted 12/13/2023 17:13 (#10523047 - in reply to #10523001)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing



Midwest

jd4930 - 12/13/2023 16:30 I'm far from an expert but a moldboard plow does not seem like the appropriate tool for 4" depth?



x3

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pmartens07
Posted 12/13/2023 18:16 (#10523145 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Penn Yan, NY		Hey Stuart,

What do you have for a plow? We run kverneland s8 moldboards and take a 20” cut 5-6” deep no problem.


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provident
Posted 12/13/2023 18:22 (#10523156 - in reply to #10523145)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Central PA		kvernland #8 bottoms are better for shallow plowing. and i agree that plowing can work at 4-6" and be better than just "moving dirt". there are reasons for plowing
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jdbob8100
Posted 12/13/2023 18:44 (#10523188 - in reply to #10523156)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


ND		The few farmers that plow around here say corn yield or SBean yield is better by 8 to 16 bu/ac. The Organic guys seem to plow.
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Tomcat
Posted 12/13/2023 19:27 (#10523265 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing



Ludington/Manistee MI area

Sounds like a winner!!   The shallower you plow the plow pan your stuck on isn’t as deep and the ruts from plowing aren’t as deep so less follow up tillage. 

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ok2farm
Posted 12/13/2023 19:34 (#10523275 - in reply to #10523265)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


On our heavy clay soil we plow after wheat underseeded to red clover which is about every 3 years in our rotation. Kongskilde, (triple k) overum plow set at 12" roughly 5-7" deep. Cuts the roots good of dandelion, fleabane.
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jwal10
Posted 12/13/2023 21:10 (#10523425 - in reply to #10523275)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Western Oregon		We plow row planted peppermint 5" deep with a 5 btm Oliver 14" mounted plow behind a 3020 in 5th gear, power shift. 14" Oliver plows were made adjustable to be 12" or 16". We plow to spread the roots and leave ground open for the winter. Planted in fall in rows, harvested in August, roots dug in September down the rows, then plow to spread roots. 12" makes the smoothest job, 2 passes with roller harrow at 2 different 60 degree angles to the rows, in early May before peppermint begins to grow....James
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EastOnfarmer
Posted 12/13/2023 21:26 (#10523449 - in reply to #10523265)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Eastern Ontario, Canada
Tomcat - 12/13/2023 20:27

Sounds like a winner!!   The shallower you plow the plow pan your stuck on isn’t as deep and the ruts from plowing aren’t as deep so less follow up tillage. 



I have read enough of your plowing reply's to see you never knew how to plow properly or didn't have good equipment. newer plows have points on the shares that go deeper and seem to not cause a "plow pan". my plow jobs can be one pass in the spring and plant, but I always do two because being hay or corn field receiving manure you can run 12-15 mph across the field smooth as a kitten. there are no big ruts or dead furrows. you need to know how to work a plow. if I make a dead furrow, and I make them shallower than the rest of the plowing, I fill it back in the next time its plowed. field never gets out of level.

our fields layed water after 15 years of minimum till and notill, all dairy ground so lots of traffic, and the deep rippers and subsoiler solved nothing with the laying water. once the plow was brought back the water is gone and the yields are up. clay loam with grey clay subsoils here.
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pigshephard
Posted 12/13/2023 22:00 (#10523491 - in reply to #10523449)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


SENE		But.......no till will save us all from global warming, says the masses lol. We work it all! Keep it up!

Edited by pigshephard 12/13/2023 22:01
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EastOnfarmer
Posted 12/13/2023 21:14 (#10523429 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Eastern Ontario, Canada		I plow 6-7 inches deep anywhere from 12-22 inches wide, only difference is the narrow plowing stands the furrow more upright and the wider is complete inversion. 18 inch is where it is normally set at. KUHN plow with the standard moldboards. the Kuhn is heavy enough it is always in the ground.



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grtoutdoors13
Posted 12/14/2023 06:57 (#10523744 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


Iowa		Bednar.
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Supa Dexta
Posted 12/14/2023 10:17 (#10524041 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing



NS Canada		What is your current plough?
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stuartny
Posted 12/14/2023 13:10 (#10524273 - in reply to #10524041)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


New York		IH 165
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pigshephard
Posted 12/14/2023 20:31 (#10524861 - in reply to #10524273)
Subject: RE: Shallow plowing


SENE		What do you have for a tractor on it? I had a 155 international 5 bottom for plowing terraces up and let me tell you it pulled hard. I had a terrible time with side draft . Even plowing straight away I struggled to get it do a good job. Either it had to be buried or it would want to ride up. The iron on it was in better shape than the previous plow we used and use now after selling the 155.
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Dutchdeutz
Posted 12/14/2023 21:47 (#10524962 - in reply to #10522916)
Subject: Eco plow...


Peace River, AB, Canada		If you're looking for shallow plowing, look up, Ovlac eco plow, Kuhn Vari Onland ECO or Escudero Eco plow.
https://ovlac.com/en/
https://www.hermanosescudero.com/en/
http://www.kramer-eco.nl/
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