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Jofarms

Posted 10/26/2023 21:26 (#10457415)
Subject: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Western Illinois

Just wondering what everyone thinks. Always had chisel plows and loved what they have done. Seems harder to find a descent used one….. not sure if many companies even make them anymore. Looked at the Deere 714 and seem a Landoll might have one. This makes me think the industry has went to a disc ripper style and left the chisel plow idea behind since everyone sells a disc ripper style. We use one for corn on corn and don’t want a big ridge but like to get rid of the residue.

Cliff SEIA

Posted 10/26/2023 21:35 (#10457431 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

A disk ripper is great to run deep to take out compaction, for residue management it's still tough to bean a Coulter chisel with 12-15" shank spacing and twisted shovels. Sunflower also builds a really nice chisel.

Too Tall

Posted 10/26/2023 21:41 (#10457438 - in reply to #10457431)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Northwest IA. Near Ft. Dodge

We use the Sunflower 8530 19 shank disc chisel. Smaller version is called a 4511. I always threaten to get an 875 Case IH ripper. But after each season I seem to be satisfied with the job it does. Nice to apply nh3 after it for the corn on corn ground. Leaves it level. We do have a coil tine harrow behind it. After saying all that , I would consider selling it for the right price though. 712-830-0390

Edited by Too Tall 10/26/2023 21:44

Boone & Crockett

Posted 10/27/2023 04:41 (#10457588 - in reply to #10457438)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

IMO, a person can wring out most of the benefits of a disc/ripper with a coulter chisel, at much less overall expense. Especially if next crop will be beans, as beans simply ain’t all that fussy. The big disc ripper market is all but about dead, with high speed type discs being all the rage. I’m still amazed at how good of a job 45 year old Glencoe soil savers do with good twisted shovels. Personally I don’t mind leaving ridges, going without a leveler, because the uneven surface exposes more of the soil profile to the air, promoting better drying in the spring. This is a trade off I’d be willing to endure, rough ride in spring pass vs earlier field operations, more uniform drying of the soil. My personal preference, as always your mileage will vary greatly I’m sure.

Edited by Boone & Crockett 10/27/2023 04:44

easymoney

Posted 10/27/2023 05:42 (#10457619 - in reply to #10457588)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

ecmn

Go to strip till. Corn did more to fight compaction than any iron ever will. Chisel plow and disc ripper are why you get compaction so easy

The corn on corn the strip tool can get your fertilizer below the layer of residue so you get less tie up. And you still get that good seed bed

AGDEAL

Posted 10/27/2023 18:45 (#10458536 - in reply to #10457619)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Illinois

easymoney - 10/27/2023 05:42

Go to strip till. Corn did more to fight compaction than any iron ever will. Chisel plow and disc ripper are why you get compaction so easy

The corn on corn the strip tool can get your fertilizer below the layer of residue so you get less tie up. And you still get that good seed bed

Corn roots make a huge difference. Put in some stalk fence this afternoon and huge difference in how soft the ground is between the row vs the middles

boakfarms

Posted 10/27/2023 06:02 (#10457634 - in reply to #10457588)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

New Castle, PA

Yep , nothing wrong with an old Glencoe soil saver or Landoll 275

SHR4010

Posted 10/27/2023 06:15 (#10457650 - in reply to #10457588)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

live in Spfd, farm located NW Macoupin county

Moose333

Posted 10/27/2023 12:40 (#10458198 - in reply to #10457431)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

NW Wisconsin

X2 6650 does an amazing job with 4" shovels... COC no issue stay off dirt when its wet and you wont have as near the compaction issues.

billonthefarm

Posted 10/27/2023 21:06 (#10458726 - in reply to #10457431)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Farmington IL

Cliff SEIA - 10/26/2023 21:35

A disk ripper is great to run deep to take out compaction, for residue management it's still tough to bean a Coulter chisel with 12-15" shank spacing and twisted shovels. Sunflower also builds a really nice chisel.

I have a really nice DMI 530b in the corner of the shed. I do use 2 sunflower chisel plows with flex bar spike harrows that do a nice job!

Edited by billonthefarm 10/27/2023 21:08

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bkadds

Posted 10/27/2023 07:23 (#10457732 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Dalhart, Texas

I still use our 714.

Schuerman Farms

Posted 10/27/2023 07:53 (#10457786 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

WC MN & Valley of the Sun, AZ

The disk chisel got sent down the road a few years ago. Hard to beat a disk ripper in COC if tillage is in the toolbox of processes. 2024 will be year five of corn on corn in this field and these are 300+ bpa stalks around the tractor on the flat. Tilled three days ago, mother nature is trying to freeze it solid this morning.

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CycloneZ

Posted 10/27/2023 15:41 (#10458359 - in reply to #10457786)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Central Iowa

How is the cornhead set up to chop residue that fine?

Schuerman Farms

Posted 10/27/2023 15:54 (#10458367 - in reply to #10458359)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

WC MN & Valley of the Sun, AZ

CycloneZ - 10/27/2023 13:41

How is the cornhead set up to chop residue that fine?

Capello chopping head plus ran a Case IH 330 over it. Here's the "raw" stalks before the 330.

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Morningdew

Posted 10/27/2023 17:46 (#10458464 - in reply to #10457786)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Cherokee iowa

That looks nice and mellow

Mikenesd

Posted 10/27/2023 19:37 (#10458591 - in reply to #10457786)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Clark SD

On behalf of my soils and cover crops i thank you for doing that.

brad c

Posted 10/27/2023 08:08 (#10457824 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Carbondale, KS

I think I'm glad that stuff left the farm 25 years ago.

DRester

Posted 10/27/2023 09:46 (#10457978 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Franklinton, LA

What are you really trying to do? Are you trying to do what your neighbors are doing, or do you really want to solve a problem you have? If so, what is your problem?

I am going to suggest getting a good soil compaction tester and do a lot of probing before you spend several thousand dollars. The soil probing will provide the most accurate results if the soil is very moist. Do you have a compacted soil layer ??? inches below the soil surface? How thick is this layer and how deep is this layer? The depth and thickness of the layer will probably vary from field to field. What will you accomplish by running a disk chisel or ripper if you don't have a compacted layer?

If the compacted layer is less than 6 - 8" deep, you may be able to shatter the layer with a disk chisel. For best results, the soil should be fairly dry and the tip of the chisel plow point should run 1 - 2" below the BOTTOM of the compacted layer.

If the top of the compacted layer is over 10" deep, you probably need a ripper of some type. By the way, what is the advantage of a disk ripper over a much lower cost ripper?

billonthefarm

Posted 10/27/2023 21:10 (#10458730 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Farmington IL

In my experience, this has been the optimum tool for corn on corn on my farm. Your results may vary.

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bkadds

Posted 10/27/2023 23:29 (#10458870 - in reply to #10458730)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Dalhart, Texas

Awesome! Just so time consuming!

tj_farmer

Posted 10/29/2023 08:54 (#10460511 - in reply to #10458730)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

NW central IL

same here, just trying to find enough 3pt parts to put a 735 behind the 14 as we speak...

Jofarms

Posted 10/27/2023 23:00 (#10458856 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Western Illinois

Got a sunflower 4212-11 currently with 4” twists. Seems to ridge a little if you aren’t just the correct spacing. Kinda wondering if it’s due to the 4” twists throwing so much

jdironman

Posted 10/28/2023 10:24 (#10459275 - in reply to #10457415)
Subject: RE: Chisel plow vs disc ripper

Nw Iowa

Here it is all disc rippers. A few hi speed discs. CIH 875’s mostly. Maybe 1 or 2% no till.

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