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Enginerd
Posted 3/3/2023 05:22 (#10120849)
Subject: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


NW Ohio
Recently had an Ag Leader system installed on our planting tractor. Have a JD 4240 with InCommand 1200, GPS 7500 and Steady Steer systems along with seed tube monitoring. I wanted to see if anyone had tips/tricks to improve our first time use of the system. Been rather wet here so need to calibrate the Steady Steer once the weather improves. We will be running WASS to start out to get our feet wet, in regards to steering am I further ahead to make boundaries before planting? Have most of my planter/tractor information added to the display just want to be ahead of things before planting starts. Thanks!
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tedbear
Posted 3/3/2023 06:48 (#10120949 - in reply to #10120849)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


Near Intersection of I-35 & I-90 Southern Mn.
It is wise to be thinking about these items. The more you mess around with the display, the more you will become familiar with it.

I have an InCommand 1200 in the planting tractor but I'm using the Steer Command Z2 working through the CAN system on the 8310R. Last year I installed Steady Steer assisted steering in my combine. I performed the calibration in both systems. It went well. Find yourself a reasonably large area with no obstacles to perform the calibration steps listed on the screen. It can be done with obstacles but is just plain easier in wide open spaces with no obstructions for the tractor or GPS. I thought I had a problem with the calibration on the tractor but it was fine. I confused myself by doing a "test" through the area where I had just done the calibration.

Maybe you can find an area to perform the calibration some cold morning when the ground is still frozen. Once calibrated you can test the steering by driving down a road, setting an AB line, turning around and engaging on it. This should point out any problems and may bring up questions so that you will be more confident when planting time comes.

You mention using WAAS and Steady Steer. This may result in some drift in the steering which would be acceptable for tillage but not quite what you desire for picture perfect straight rows. Your 7500 can be unlocked for TerraStar Pro C (a one time charge) that requires a subscription to utilize it. The subscription is available in short term or year long plans. It is rather expensive but I feel it is worth it. I purchase the yearly subscription and move the 7500 and InCommand to our Hagie sprayer and Deere combine to utilize the subscription more of the time.

As far as boundaries, they are not required although they can be very helpful. I have boundaries for some of our fields and not for others. The boundary can be created on the first pass around the outside of a field but this may be confusing the first time you do this. I wouldn't get too hung up about creating boundaries until you are more familiar with the system.

Several seed modules are available. Some deal with hydraulic or electric drives, Some work with Section Control. Some work with down force. It sounds as if you are just using the Seed Tube Monitoring Module (STTM). It needs an implement switch connected to the short stub cable on the STTM module. The implement switch must be mounted or wired so that it completes the circuit when the planter is DOWN in the planting position. Different styles of implement switches are available. Some are mounted on the planting unit itself and others on the frame. Some have two branches and you use one branch or the other. You choose the one that has the correct action for your mounting position.

Each Spring prior to planting I test my seed monitoring system. I choose my planting configuration and either lower the planter or use a jumper for the implement switch. I remove the boxes or planting units and start at Row 1 and dribble a few kernels of corn down the seed tube. The monitor system should notice these kernels and come to life. After the kernels have stopped passing by, the system should sound an alarm indicating a planting failure. If another person is in the tractor the row that was tested should come up on the display. Repeat the process with the other rows to verify that they will sound the alarm in case of a failure. Instead of using actual kernels of corn, running a seed tube cleaning brush up/down the seed tube would be equivalent. There are various settings for how "touchy" the alarms should be etc. For now, I would just leave those settings as the defaults, Later as you become more familiar with the system you may want to change them.

I believe testing your system is important especially for your first experience. There are different cables available to connect your planter monitor harness to the Seed Tube Monitoring Module. It is possible to use one that is designed for another brand. Several connecting choices use the AMP 37 pin connector. Just because you have one that mates doesn't guarantee that it is the correct cable. By performing a test on each row with a brush or actual seed should prove that your wiring and setup will work when it's time to plant.



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Enginerd
Posted 3/3/2023 07:55 (#10121068 - in reply to #10120949)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


NW Ohio
tedbear - 3/3/2023 07:48

It is wise to be thinking about these items. The more you mess around with the display, the more you will become familiar with it.

I have an InCommand 1200 in the planting tractor but I'm using the Steer Command Z2 working through the CAN system on the 8310R. Last year I installed Steady Steer assisted steering in my combine. I performed the calibration in both systems. It went well. Find yourself a reasonably large area with no obstacles to perform the calibration steps listed on the screen. It can be done with obstacles but is just plain easier in wide open spaces with no obstructions for the tractor or GPS. I thought I had a problem with the calibration on the tractor but it was fine. I confused myself by doing a "test" through the area where I had just done the calibration.

Maybe you can find an area to perform the calibration some cold morning when the ground is still frozen. Once calibrated you can test the steering by driving down a road, setting an AB line, turning around and engaging on it. This should point out any problems and may bring up questions so that you will be more confident when planting time comes.

You mention using WAAS and Steady Steer. This may result in some drift in the steering which would be acceptable for tillage but not quite what you desire for picture perfect straight rows. Your 7500 can be unlocked for TerraStar Pro C (a one time charge) that requires a subscription to utilize it. The subscription is available in short term or year long plans. It is rather expensive but I feel it is worth it. I purchase the yearly subscription and move the 7500 and InCommand to our Hagie sprayer and Deere combine to utilize the subscription more of the time.

As far as boundaries, they are not required although they can be very helpful. I have boundaries for some of our fields and not for others. The boundary can be created on the first pass around the outside of a field but this may be confusing the first time you do this. I wouldn't get too hung up about creating boundaries until you are more familiar with the system.

Several seed modules are available. Some deal with hydraulic or electric drives, Some work with Section Control. Some work with down force. It sounds as if you are just using the Seed Tube Monitoring Module (STTM). It needs an implement switch connected to the short stub cable on the STTM module. The implement switch must be mounted or wired so that it completes the circuit when the planter is DOWN in the planting position. Different styles of implement switches are available. Some are mounted on the planting unit itself and others on the frame. Some have two branches and you use one branch or the other. You choose the one that has the correct action for your mounting position.

Each Spring prior to planting I test my seed monitoring system. I choose my planting configuration and either lower the planter or use a jumper for the implement switch. I remove the boxes or planting units and start at Row 1 and dribble a few kernels of corn down the seed tube. The monitor system should notice these kernels and come to life. After the kernels have stopped passing by, the system should sound an alarm indicating a planting failure. If another person is in the tractor the row that was tested should come up on the display. Repeat the process with the other rows to verify that they will sound the alarm in case of a failure. Instead of using actual kernels of corn, running a seed tube cleaning brush up/down the seed tube would be equivalent. There are various settings for how "touchy" the alarms should be etc. For now, I would just leave those settings as the defaults, Later as you become more familiar with the system you may want to change them.

I believe testing your system is important especially for your first experience. There are different cables available to connect your planter monitor harness to the Seed Tube Monitoring Module. It is possible to use one that is designed for another brand. Several connecting choices use the AMP 37 pin connector. Just because you have one that mates doesn't guarantee that it is the correct cable. By performing a test on each row with a brush or actual seed should prove that your wiring and setup will work when it's time to plant.




Thank you for the information, our installer asked us about an implement switch but told us we would be okay without it to start out. Does the implement switch plug into a hardness on the STMM or is there a separate module needed? After some quick research it seems like a simple proximity switch would do the job versus the whisker switch.


Edited by Enginerd 3/3/2023 07:55
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tedbear
Posted 3/4/2023 07:14 (#10122682 - in reply to #10121068)
Subject: More on implement switches


Near Intersection of I-35 & I-90 Southern Mn.
Many Ag Leader modules have an implement switch stub branch. Generally an implement switch or a jumper is needed.

The idea is with an implement switch, the system would then "know" when a tillage implement, planter, applicator or other tool is in the operating position or in the transport position. The system could make decisions based on the status of the implement switch. These decisions control mapping and acreage totals. In other situations they also control the application itself.

For the Ag Leader modules that provide an implement switch, this will be a stub branch out of the black connector. It is quite short and terminates in a 3 pin Weatherpak connector. The wires are ground, 12V out Out and Signal In. The signal is Pin 10 and 12V Out is Pin 12. The switch would go between Pin 10 and Pin 12. The ground is generally not used but is provided for convenience.

For many situations, it is very desirable/necessary to have an actual working implement switch installed. For other situations such as a crop sprayer, there is no "raise on the ends" movement and a jumper is placed on the stub branch.

When using planters with seed modules, the planter is raised on the ends and the need for the system to "know" when the planter is UP or DOWN may be important. For example, if you had a Hydraulic Drive, it would be desirable for the system to "know" that the planter was raised so that the system could stop the Hydraulic motors. Otherwise the operator would need to shut them ON/OFF.

In your case, if you only have the Seed Tube Monitoring Module, an implement switch may or may not be needed. I suspect your installer may have put a Jumper with the wire loop on the stub cable coming out of your STTM. If so, the system would give an alarm on the ends for a bit but I believe it would eventually quit once seed flow has stopped from all rows. This would be similar to how stand alone seed monitors behave. Ag Leader diagrams do show an implement switch

When several seed modules are involved (not your situation) the implement switch situation is a bit more confusing. Here's a link to the Ag Leader Knowledge base that shows this. According to this you should have an implement switch connected to the STTM. In my case I use both the Clutch Control Module and a STTM so I have my implement switch(es) connected to the Clutch Module.

I use two of the Deere switches shown in a reply below. I have one on each wing of the planter and they are wired in parallel. Actually I posted that picture several years ago

In Summary: Must you use an implement switch? Probably not, if the connection is jumped. Could you use one? Yes. Should you use one? I would. I do notice that the Ag Leader diagram uses the word "requires" in the lower box in the link below.

https://portal.agleader.com/community/sfc/servlet.shepherd/version/r...

Edited by tedbear 3/4/2023 08:03
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caseihfarmer
Posted 3/3/2023 07:25 (#10120998 - in reply to #10120849)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


East Central, Nebraska
i wouldn't make boundrys on waas.
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ljadx160
Posted 3/3/2023 07:41 (#10121029 - in reply to #10120849)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


North Central Iowa
I would partially agree with caseihfarmer on boundaries. Even on WAAS, they are kind of nice just to get a field area and see where you are at, rounds left, etc. whether you do ahead of time? Ehh. That being said, the boundaries from or using WAAS aren’t worth a thing for trying to autosteer along a fence or spraying. So if you upgrade signal corrections, the boundaries would likely need to be done again to be useful for working along them if trying to use autosteer.

When I switched to using RTK I then went around and made very accurate boundaries and cleaned them up in SMS along with making guidance lines at all critical areas (end rows, around crp, field edge next to neighbors with no fence in place, around acreages, etc). I can now use autosteer at all these locations and be at the same place/same edge every year, along with any tillage and spraying.
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4WD
Posted 3/3/2023 09:06 (#10121191 - in reply to #10120849)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

Here's an older thread, about implement switches, with some part numbers, too. ( I run 2 switches, with them wired in parallel = if one row unit, dropped on a hole, the circuit still is alive, due to the second implement was still active)

https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=546103&DisplayType=nested



Doesn't take too much room, to calibrate the SteadySteer = think a bit larger area, where the tractor can perform its own "figure 8" pattern ( I did it, in the corner, of a cattle pasture)



When I installed the SteadySteer anti-rotation bracket, in my JD4440; I wasn't happy with Ag Leader's clamp style, to go around 4440 steering column/tube = I added a 2" muffler clamp, underneath with a couple little welds, to Ag Leader's clamp, and that muffler clamp holds VERY well.


Did you get a Engage/Disengage foot pedal and/or momentary switch, to control the autosteer function?
{note: I found, last June, during replanting of my hailed soybeans, that "pushing the screen icon" for autosteer, and bouncing in the tractor, I would sometimes "Double-bump" the icon, using just the screen/monitor {= I have since added momentary switches and wires going to terrain compensation controller to give me a better control, for engage/disengage function = this should help me, I hope}



I did use WAAS, during the replant of soybeans, BUT that wasn't a critical planting either, at that moment, because some of the damaged soybeans, would/did come back. I have since upgraded the TerraStar-C Pro , on of my GPS7500 receivers, ($2000 unlock fee) and will buy the 4 month yearly subscription, around April 15th, for $825.

Note: Ag Leader will give you a free 5 day trial period, before you buy TerraStar-C Pro = I used that 5 day trial peroid, to go around, in December, to make new Outer and Inner boundaries ,in all my fields  {Erased old WAAS boundaries, before hand; as I was pretty sure I was going to spend the $2000 unlock fee, for the upgrade, for planting this coming Spring 2023}


Edit: You didn't mention about any row shutoffs, but make sure your measurements are correct for GPS Globe, 3 point, drawbar hole, distance of planter's hitch hole to seed drop area = maybe your installer did this, doesn't hurt to verify either.


You could add your seed corn number and soybean numbers, into the products area, ahead-of-time.



 




Edited by 4WD 3/3/2023 09:11




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cyclones30
Posted 3/3/2023 10:44 (#10121336 - in reply to #10120849)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks



Iowa

Don't worry about boundaries at all at this point. 

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Round Prairie Farms
Posted 3/5/2023 16:52 (#10125023 - in reply to #10120849)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


Whitewater, WI
Use smartpath. It lets you toggle between headland and field lines easily.
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Expensive Hobby
Posted 3/7/2023 11:46 (#10127757 - in reply to #10120849)
Subject: RE: Ag Leader Tips/Tricks


NW Missouri
I was in the same boat as you last year. Don't make any boundaries. Just pull into the field and use smartpath for your endrows, then line up in the direction you want your straight rows to be and use the heading feature to lay off a straight land. Using WAAS you'll want to start towards one end of the field. If you lay off a land in the middle of a field and work one direction from there, when you come back to that original pass later to start going the other way, your line will be off. Same thing will happen if you stop to fill up with seed, etc.

I was already done planting corn when my system arrived last year. WAAS worked good enough for planting beans, but I wouldn't have been happy with it for planting corn. I upgraded for this year. Terrastar C Pro would be plenty accurate enough for what I'm doing, but I didn't like the $1095 per year cost, so I jumped to RTK. Required an extra unlock and a BR1 modem to get GPS corrections from the free MO Cors network. But now my only recurring cost will be $25 a month for a data plan from Data Activation Center during the months I use it (couple months in the spring and a couple months in the fall). The savings will pay for the extra unlock and BR1 modem in 3 years. I plan to use the system a lot longer than that.

I also don't have any implement switches or anything on my planter yet. Still using the KPMII monitor rather than paying to switch it to the 1200. I've got it set to paint when the autosteer is engaged, and I have to manually hit the button when I'm on an outside pass or shutting off the autosteer (like on curvy endrows, where I can put the planter on the mark better than the autosteer can). The acreage planted figure on the 1200 isn't always perfect, but that doesn't concern me (I use the planter acreage counter for dividing seed between farms anyway, as I need to include overlaps).
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