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BryceH

Posted 1/15/2023 18:17 (#10041846)
Subject: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Nunn CO

https://www.agupdate.com/theprairiestar/news/crop/brand-new-big-buds...

senorthdakota

Posted 1/15/2023 18:21 (#10041850 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Oh it be nice!!! I wonder if will have a demo to run at big iron in fargo this summer...

dmswil

Posted 1/15/2023 18:57 (#10041926 - in reply to #10041850)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

mascoutah, IL

I’ve got 2 on order!

jd8850

Posted 1/15/2023 20:28 (#10042116 - in reply to #10041850)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Roseglen, North Dakota

Be amazing if it's done by Big Iron 2024

wheat fallow

Posted 1/15/2023 19:07 (#10041948 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

west Nebraska northeast Colorado

Maybe in 1/64 scale!

dmswil

Posted 1/15/2023 19:10 (#10041956 - in reply to #10041948)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

mascoutah, IL

Not sure I could afford those either!

BFarm

Posted 1/15/2023 19:16 (#10041969 - in reply to #10041956)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

WCIL

If you let me run one of your new ones for a couple hours, I'll buy you a toy! Lol
Big Buds sure draw lots of interest for no more than they made. Major cool factor

MaineFarmer

Posted 1/15/2023 19:16 (#10041973 - in reply to #10041956)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

coast of Maine

When I buy one of them there EZ farms out west,,I will need one for a tax deduction,,,so I have read on here,,hehehhe

Walton Farms

Posted 1/15/2023 19:22 (#10041987 - in reply to #10041973)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

SW Indiana

MaineFarmer - 1/15/2023 20:16

When I buy one of them there EZ farms out west,,I will need one for a tax deduction,,,so I have read on here,,hehehhe

Here you go Vincent! Over a 1000 acres about 40 miles from me. Close up the strawberry patch, write a check and move to Indiana and live the easy life lol

https://www.landwatch.com/knox-county-indiana-farms-and-ranches-for-...

Larry_minn

Posted 1/15/2023 19:24 (#10041992 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

I maybe could afford the inner tires.

Claas740

Posted 1/15/2023 19:40 (#10042015 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Postville Iowa

Said 750 horsepower. Wouldn’t it take 100 horse just to move itself?

MaineFarmer

Posted 1/15/2023 19:54 (#10042047 - in reply to #10042015)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

coast of Maine

Wes,thats just right,read on here profits are 1000$ acre now,,headed to the moon soon,,,several guys have 900,000$. NET a year ,, out west I have read on here.Thats some pretty EZ dealing right there ,,Im in for 20 million,,hehhehe.,,,A million net its only 20 years and she all mine,,Oh I forgot the income taxes,,,oh why I bought a Big Bud,,hehhee

jd8850

Posted 1/15/2023 20:42 (#10042138 - in reply to #10042047)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Roseglen, North Dakota

I will follow this with interest, like many others. A somewhat poorly written article, leaving many.unanswered questions. Appears someone with no farming knowledge.

Positives I see:
C-18 cat
Cat transmission
Clark axles
Rome is involved

Question marks I see:
Cost. I doubt $1.500,000 will buy it
Compaction. Has to be a factor at 200,000 pounds
What if it has to be hauled somewhere? How many days. How many $ Disassebly.required
Will need today's modern hydraulics.
Will need today's modern GPS.

The last 2 components alone can shut the rig down. It won't be like calling up your local Deere dealer to get those parts going

It will be interesting

Edited by jd8850 1/15/2023 20:43

Steiger Man

Posted 1/15/2023 20:53 (#10042167 - in reply to #10042138)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Sunburst Montana

jd8850 - 1/15/2023 20:42 I will follow this with interest, like many others. A somewhat poorly written article, leaving many.unanswered questions. Appears someone with no farming knowledge. Positives I see: C-18 cat Cat transmission Clark axles Rome is involved Question marks I see: Cost. I doubt $1.500,000 will buy it Compaction. Has to be a factor at 200,000 pounds What if it has to be hauled somewhere? How many days. How many $ Disassebly.required Will need today's modern hydraulics. Will need today's modern GPS. The last 2 components alone can shut the rig down. It won't be like calling up your local Deere dealer to get those parts going It will be interesting

As others have alluded to, I think the 200,000 lbs is a typo because elsewhere in the article it mentions 70,000 lbs. If you want to know how this is going to work, just ask the guys who run self propelled sprayers built with off shelf components and GPS.

illinois-kris

Posted 1/15/2023 21:13 (#10042201 - in reply to #10042167)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

The 200,000 was the rating on the 988 axles. The Clarke axles mentioned were in the part about the original 747, it said multiple times cat axles for the new machine. It's not going to be new territory for them on the hydraulics or gps, they've been rebuilding and updating the original big buds as well as Versatiles for decades. YouTube has quite a few videos of big buds pulling modern implements with modern hydraulics in straight lines not possible without guidance. They aren't starting from scratch, they have quite a bit of experience and knowledge.

Steiger Man

Posted 1/16/2023 10:49 (#10042887 - in reply to #10042201)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Sunburst Montana

illinois-kris - 1/15/2023 21:13

The 200,000 was the rating on the 988 axles. The Clarke axles mentioned were in the part about the original 747, it said multiple times cat axles for the new machine. It's not going to be new territory for them on the hydraulics or gps, they've been rebuilding and updating the original big buds as well as Versatiles for decades. YouTube has quite a few videos of big buds pulling modern implements with modern hydraulics in straight lines not possible without guidance. They aren't starting from scratch, they have quite a bit of experience and knowledge.

It’s funny listening to you tell me all this when I live 100 miles from were they are made, own a Big Bud, been around several more, been in the facilities before they burned down, been in the old factory, had some discussions with Ron Harmon who told me exactly how he went bankrupt, have seen the 747 in person half a dozen times including once out at the farm were the brothers had the hood/grill off because they were swapping the engine out for another one. I have pics of me and my friends standing next to the grill on the ground. Tell me other things I don’t know like when did Big bud first use cat axles

Edited by Steiger Man 1/16/2023 12:21

jd8850

Posted 1/15/2023 22:34 (#10042300 - in reply to #10042167)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Roseglen, North Dakota

As I said before the article is poorly written. Y someone with no tractor knowledge. It has to be more than 70,000 tho cuz the 747 weighs that and this is supposedly bigger

Steiger Man

Posted 1/15/2023 22:55 (#10042323 - in reply to #10042300)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Sunburst Montana

jd8850 - 1/15/2023 22:34 As I said before the article is poorly written. Y someone with no tractor knowledge. It has to be more than 70,000 tho cuz the 747 weighs that and this is supposedly bigger

I'll know by the end of the week what it is because they are going to be at the MAGIE show which is in my backyard. Always go.

illinois-kris

Posted 1/15/2023 23:27 (#10042350 - in reply to #10042300)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Either you read a completely different article or your reading comprehension skills aren't all that great. It was pretty clear and I'm dyslexic.

747 = 1100hp
New big bud = 750hp
1100 > 750

747 = 135,000lbs
New big bud = +-70,000lbs
135,000 > 70,000

747 > new big bud

Edit to say: Nowhere in the article does it say that the new tractor will be bigger than the 747.

Edited by illinois-kris 1/15/2023 23:29

iseedit

Posted 1/16/2023 05:45 (#10042455 - in reply to #10042350)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

central - east central Minnesota -

illinois-kris - 1/15/2023 23:27 Either you read a completely different article or your reading comprehension skills aren't all that great. It was pretty clear and I'm dyslexic. 747 = 1100hp New big bud = 750hp 1100 > 750 747 = 135,000lbs New big bud = +-70,000lbs 135,000 > 70,000 747 > new big bud Edit to say: Nowhere in the article does it say that the new tractor will be bigger than the 747.

From the article - "The new Big Bud is going to have a Cat (Caterpillar) engine, Cat transmission, Cat axle, and we are going to use the heaviest axles used in the farm industry ever, including heavier than the 747. They are axles out of a 688K loader. Just the base unit will weigh between 170,000 and 200,000 pounds, so we’re using really heavy components,” Harmon explained. " (article should correct the loader description - it's a 988, no such thing in Cat as a 688)

The article also says " The new Big Buds will have about 640-750 horsepower, but they can be custom built to any horsepower."

As mentioned, the article is poorly written with conflicting info . . . .

illinois-kris

Posted 1/16/2023 09:41 (#10042786 - in reply to #10042455)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Look up the gross loaded weight of a 988k. Oh ****, it's 170,000-200,000lbs. How could someone ever decipher such information, oh wait, COMMON SENSE!

Since I can get it in any horsepower I want, think I'll order mine with 40million horsepower and have it weigh 20billion pounds. I'm using your rationale that common sense doesn't need to be used because I can just take word "any" entirely too literally. I had my 6th grade niece read the article and asked her questions, she had no problem answering them. You're proving common sense isn't so common anymore.

JAnderson

Posted 1/15/2023 21:07 (#10042187 - in reply to #10042138)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

McCanna, ND

I bet they were told “seventy to one hundred thousand pounds” which got mistaken for 200,000lbs.

Still might be a good tractor if built right. I’m guessing the LSW 1250-1400s dualed up will be the standard size tires.

Hydraulics and gps wouldn’t be a problem.

roddfarms

Posted 1/15/2023 22:28 (#10042293 - in reply to #10042138)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Is emission compliance something a small manufacturer with a small production run can achieve with off the shelf components?

Does CAT have all the hardware and software to run a DEF system in a plug and play type controller that BigBud could buy and use?

Excalibur

Posted 1/15/2023 23:24 (#10042346 - in reply to #10042293)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

SC WI

I believe over 750hp is exempt from emission compliance (def).

Also there have been aftermarket exhaust filters, common on California pre emission trucks. On top of that, if emission system is needed it would be sourced through engine manufacturer.

Edited by Excalibur 1/15/2023 23:27

Schuerman Farms

Posted 1/16/2023 11:33 (#10042977 - in reply to #10042293)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

WC MN & Valley of the Sun, AZ

roddfarms - 1/15/2023 20:28 Is emission compliance something a small manufacturer with a small production run can achieve with off the shelf components? Does CAT have all the hardware and software to run a DEF system in a plug and play type controller that BigBud could buy and use?

Yes and yes.
https://www.cat.com/en_US/by-industry/industrial-power/engines.html
https://www.cat.com/en_US/by-industry/industrial-power/engines/power-profiles/mobile-track-solutions-mts-3630t-and-3630w.html
https://www.mobiletracksolutions.com/tracked-tractors

caseihfarmer

Posted 1/16/2023 03:45 (#10042410 - in reply to #10042138)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

East Central, Nebraska

i can put auto steer/gps on anything with an steering wheel and something without. in my mind that in no way would be a question mark.

i dont see hydraulics being a problem either. if they are trying to keep it simple fine but i would believe a large on board generator would be more important today than high performance hydraulics.

Orfarmer

Posted 1/15/2023 20:35 (#10042127 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Roanoke, IN

It's neat, but I don't see one having a place on my farm.

rosiesdad

Posted 1/15/2023 20:49 (#10042162 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Western-Central Lower Michigan

I skimmed over the article, 640-750 HP, weight 70000 lbs. Im going to guess these arent going to be "friendly" to drive on road due to width and weight (lots of bridges around here have 30000lb max weight) for guys who farm out and away from the shop.
Maybe this is why the original B B's went to the Western States, where there are more large contiguous farms.

jd8850

Posted 1/15/2023 22:36 (#10042304 - in reply to #10042162)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Roseglen, North Dakota

You can't derive anything meaningful from that poorly written article. But it says bigger than 747. And that's 120000 lbs

johndeere1

Posted 1/16/2023 02:30 (#10042399 - in reply to #10042304)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Central Saskatchewan Canada

You better slow down when reading the article. All the info is there. And 750 hp is not bigger than 1100 hp.

jd8850

Posted 1/16/2023 05:51 (#10042461 - in reply to #10042399)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Roseglen, North Dakota

I meant weight wise

It says 200,000 pounds
You're right all the info is there; it just doesn't mean anything
You don't keep the weight at 70,000 lbs with inch and half frame

johndeere1

Posted 1/16/2023 07:13 (#10042556 - in reply to #10042461)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Central Saskatchewan Canada

jd8850 - 1/16/2023 05:51

I meant weight wise

It says 200,000 pounds
You're right all the info is there; it just doesn't mean anything
You don't keep the weight at 70,000 lbs with inch and half frame

The equipment they are using the axle from can weigh up to 200,000 loaded. Not the damn tractor.

He said 100 pounds per hp.

bkadds

Posted 1/15/2023 22:41 (#10042309 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Dalhart, Texas

Pull a 300 ft field cultivator?

Kochia

Posted 1/16/2023 03:38 (#10042408 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

MT-ND

They're going to have the same issues as 40 years ago: no one can afford them until 40 years later.

pbutler

Posted 1/16/2023 05:19 (#10042433 - in reply to #10042408)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Macon, IL

There are many perils-but people are paying 1 million for combines-a few around here bought multiples.

I think for some folks who would buy one price may not be the deal breaker.

pbutler

Posted 1/16/2023 05:19 (#10042434 - in reply to #10042408)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Macon, IL

There are many perils-but people are paying 1 million for combines-a few around here bought multiples.

I think for some folks who would buy one price may not be the deal breaker.

Kochia

Posted 1/17/2023 23:18 (#10045688 - in reply to #10042434)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

MT-ND

They'll be pushing 2 million for the small one, otherwise they wouldn't be a Big Bud.

mac4440

Posted 1/17/2023 07:54 (#10044437 - in reply to #10042408)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Kochia - 1/16/2023 03:38

They're going to have the same issues as 40 years ago: no one can afford them until 40 years later.

I'd say the people who actually need one could afford it.
There's a heck of a lot of chatter on here from people who will never in a million years buy one or have a need for one.

Kochia

Posted 1/17/2023 23:19 (#10045689 - in reply to #10044437)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

MT-ND

Well, need is where you get into a debate.

Tomcat

Posted 1/16/2023 05:46 (#10042458 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Ludington/Manistee MI area

For 1.5 million I could have Morton put up another polebarn and fill it with 8960’s or 9400’s. Just the width of a Big Bud would be a deal breaker.

Edited by Tomcat 1/16/2023 05:47

Claas740

Posted 1/16/2023 06:23 (#10042492 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Postville Iowa

Hauling big bud

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c_mayer

Posted 1/16/2023 08:23 (#10042663 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Jeffersonville, OH

That tractor would never need to weigh 200K lbs to be an effective tractor. The 747 is 135K and is 1100hp, and will pull anything built with a hole for a hitch pin.

130-140lbs per HP is about the most you ever need to do field work at a reasonable speed, and new tractors from most OEM's normally run under 120lbs/hp. Most are closer to 100lb/hp, if they are even that heavy. The weight requirements change with speed, speed goes up, weight requirements drop. So, slow speed tile plow work in hard ground is about the most demanding use we see these days, short of maybe some of the California or Southern US deep ripping they do...which is also where the market will be for these tractors...

So, 750HP at 150lbs\hp is 112,500lbs, again, even lighter than the 747, and with proper tire selection for the job should do ANYTHING it has the power to do. Again, keep in mind most tractors built currently don't weigh 100lbs/hp, and that math is high at 150lbs.

They built the 740's during the run of the Series 4 tractors, I would imagine they will be closer to that build weight and size than the 747 that was in a league of it's own, and forever will be!

GPS and Auto steer is bolt on parts, Deere/CIH/AGCO don't design any of that on their own, most is Sauer-Danfoss...I have their programs and adapter able to interface directly with their parts outside of my AGCO diagnostic software...not hard. Same with Hydraulics, they can buy the same CAN controlled hydraulics everyone is using, and make it simpler by not having to integrate it all into the same display as the GPS/Autosteer. Even if someone wanted Deere on it, if it has S-D components, a call to Reichardt and some cable and module work would likely get that all working just like it was a new CIH with their GreenFit system.

AutoSteer is not rocket science, even when using all integrated OEM components. I put Reichardts GreenFit on a 2008 model MF 8480 even though Reichardt didn't have a kit...I called Reichardt, we talked about what it needed, and the CAN architecture is basically the same from 2008 to 2018, so I built some cables, plugged into the right spots in the network, and bam, GreenStar.

It's a big world out there folks, you don't have to have 50 or 500 engineers in a company to figure out how to make a quality product with creature features...
Chris

WisTreemover

Posted 1/16/2023 09:09 (#10042741 - in reply to #10042663)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

East Central wisconsin

+ 1. Agreed the basic engineering of it is easy. Where it gets messy, is when they try to go buy product liability insurance for it, and when the lawyers and accountants and the EPA/gov regulations all get involved.

dogg4585

Posted 1/16/2023 09:21 (#10042766 - in reply to #10042741)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

sc ks

I see lots of yellow versatile delta track machines doing construction around KC. C18, prob cat trans, and narrow road width. Seems a better fit than that monstrosity to me.

centralmnangus

Posted 1/16/2023 09:46 (#10042800 - in reply to #10042766)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Ft. Ripley MN

When I read the article and it said Rome was partnering on this project… I got the take they were gonna build something similar to the MTS tractor that could be used for scraper work. Mentioned at the bottom of the possibility of tracks in the future. They are building a tractor similar to construction equipment… something that can go 20-30,000 hours, be rebuilt and do it all over again. The high price point these will have will be a none issue.

I’m sure there are the deep rippers in California and the south that will be interested in these along with the western small grains operations.

I have a hard time believing they are gonna sweat over it not being the best fit for Midwest crop farmers…

GM Guy

Posted 1/16/2023 10:45 (#10042879 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

NW KS/ SC ID

I bet Deere will start lobbying to do away with any EPA regulation advantage that 750+ hp has, just to show the american farmer that they care about them.********

Steiger Man

Posted 1/16/2023 10:52 (#10042901 - in reply to #10042879)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Sunburst Montana

GM Guy - 1/16/2023 10:45

I bet Deere will start lobbying to do away with any EPA regulation advantage that 750+ hp has, just to show the american farmer that they care about them.********

Funny you say that because the new JD 18l doesn’t use Def.

KMG

Posted 1/16/2023 11:40 (#10042993 - in reply to #10042901)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Central MN

So they meet the requirements with out it, or it's over 750hp?

Steiger Man

Posted 1/16/2023 11:52 (#10043009 - in reply to #10042993)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Sunburst Montana

KMG - 1/16/2023 11:40

So they meet the requirements with out it, or it's over 750hp?

I haven’t every detail on it but I saw somewhere it was 755 hp.

c_mayer

Posted 1/16/2023 12:46 (#10043085 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Jeffersonville, OH

What does it matter on emissions if they aren't all above 750hp? They say 640-750hp which means NONE of them will be above the 750hp cut off for emissions requirements

As long as the emissions package is serviceable without dismantling half the tractor, it will be better than most other OEM's
Chris

massey175275

Posted 1/16/2023 19:40 (#10043707 - in reply to #10041846)
Subject: RE: Who’s buying a new Big Bud!

Northeast Indiana

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