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mirageflats
Posted 12/14/2022 21:23 (#9983726)
Subject: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Nebraska
8230 (1070 Sep Hours) Standard cone, cage, rasp bars. Corn, pintos, & previous owner did some small grain.

Everything is worn out. Got started taking things apart and couldn’t stop. Looking for some advice.

Going through Feederhouse. Drive sprocket, bearings chain, Ihle floor. Spline shaft is shot on Feeder drive. Beater shaft drive is fine. There’s play in the feeder drive to rock trap. Do I rebuild gearbox or can I just replace front shaft? Is there a kit? Anything else on feeder? Re-did the bottom feeder seal. But my frame mounted spring loaded door does not work right. Any thoughts?

Putting in Ihle Reman Cone w/vanes and hardox liner. Welding in front lip and 4x7 hardox on 3 o’clock wear spot. Ihle rotor cage liner and new OEM transition vanes.

We combine 16 moisture corn. Had some loss this year. Are standard bars with large wire ok? Std, 8 spike, 6 straight? LW or round bar with corn and pinto beans? Looking for perspective. I’m amazed at the wear in spots. I see lots of aftermarket concaves.

How bout the grain pan seal? Mine is trashed? Anyone bolt in something heavier?

Pulled clean grain elevator to put SS liner from IHLE. Run at 3500 bushel max with trucks. High speed or low all time?. Chain has been adjusted but not religiously enough.. It’s worn a spot in the upside center divider. Doing the top and bottom Ihle boot liner with clean grain and rethrasher ss IHLE liner kit. I see a lot of the bushings are shot on the idler pulley arms. Where else do you look? I have a little wobble in my 2 speed pulley on CG clutch. Pull it? Im hoping the shaft isn't bad.

Does a guy Re-flight at John Baasch or new oem augers?

SS bin liners, new Ihle hard surfaces Vertical auger and liner. I let water get in gearbox pitted shaft leaking seal. Going with reman vert gearbox. Should we pull the unload system? How bout the rotating spout update?

Just looking for advice. Listed my main concerns open to others. I’ve got a service manual. Definitely helps.

Thank you

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haystack91
Posted 12/14/2022 21:39 (#9983756 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Eastern kansas
Take a look at your feeder house floor. With that much being wore would think the floor would be getting thin also. We usually just buy a 4x8 sheet of ar400 and cut it to fit for the floor and then some of the other wore out pieces you can use the extra for them.
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Shimmy1
Posted 12/14/2022 22:27 (#9983831 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild



Central ND
Went through the exact combine last winter. Couple suggestions. We replaced the grain pan seal with a new one. Getting that rotor cage out is a bast@rd.

When you go back in with the rotor cage, make sure you trim off a the vane bolts. Keep those spreaders that come on the new one, you WILL need them, along with a porta-power. Get ALL the bolts started before tightening anything. The transition cone is an absolute SOB. Be prepared to die-grind holes, possibly redrill at least one, and again, get all bolts in before tightening any. DO NOT WELD ON ANYTHING before installation, if you do you may not get the new parts in. Good luck, it is a miserable, bloody process.
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catmendoo
Posted 12/14/2022 23:04 (#9983880 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Northern edge Mahnomen County
I put Ihle feeder floor liner in last year. Fit very well and would do it again.

This was my first year combining corn. I used 4 round bars in the front, with LSW concaves and 4 flat bars and 8 spikes in the rear. I was happy with the results but had to watch the cobs and adjust as needed. I had to make changes more than expected but not excessively. 17 to 23 percent moisture.

I have used the original grain pan seal. Not sure anything heavier will flex enough/as fast as the pan moves.

Putting A&I vertical unload auger in. Heavier, cheaper and I believe has hard weld on it.

Rebuilding unload gearbox. Approx $600 for shaft, bearings and seals vs. $2000+ for reman box.

I am curious about using a Gordon rasp bar on postion 0 and 1 on the rotor. It is angled and bolts on to both mounts as a single unit. I wonder if it would help move the crop from the cone onto the concaves.
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mirageflats
Posted 12/14/2022 23:14 (#9983892 - in reply to #9983880)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Nebraska
I’ve got a new A&I in the shop. Have you bought yours?

As far as Gordon rasp bar. I’m using Kile in Row 0 now.

Thanks for info on grain pan seal.

Have you done any of these other major repairs?
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catmendoo
Posted 12/14/2022 23:30 (#9983905 - in reply to #9983892)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Northern edge Mahnomen County
I replaced upper rotor cage and cone in my 8010. Had the rotor out 2 different times.

Replaced the grain pan seal on my 8010 and 8230

Rebuilt unloader gearbox on 8010. The top seal was out of it.

Have the unloader gearbox out of 9230 now. Will be putting in new shaft, bearings and seals and new A&I auger. I haven't seen the auger yet, waiting on other parts to get in at the dealer for a parts run.

Need to replace rasp bars on front half of rotor on 8230 this winter and seriously thinking of using the Gordon bar on position 0 and 1.
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Clay SEIA
Posted 12/14/2022 23:18 (#9983897 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild



If you aren't spiking much over 3500 bph, I'd for sure keep it in low.  In fact, I wish there was a three-speed elevator drive with a slower one I could use for soybeans.   

Ihles have great product and have never steered me wrong, except when they told me unload auger screws would outlast the horizontal tube 2:1.   That was WRONG.    

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Kooiker
Posted 12/15/2022 09:07 (#9984369 - in reply to #9983897)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild



We put a bunch of Ihle parts in our 8010 the past couple years rebuilding the feeder house, transition cone, grain tank and unloader.

Everything fit pretty well and went together pretty smoothly other than the unloading auger elbow.    They don't manufacture it, I believe its from Abilene Machine.    Anyway it didn't fit right, we had it next to the old one and did several measurements on it eventually figured out where it was off.  They said all of the ones they had on hand measured the same as the one we had (I sent them pictures of where I was measuring) and they had never had problems with them before.   So I called up the local CIH dealer and asked if they had a new elbow on hand which they did so I went there and measured it. It measured the same as our old one so we took it home with us and put it on the combine.  Fit like the old one did.

Anyway, Ihle treated us well on the deal, they paid the shipping and we returned it for a full refund.   Other than a little extra time we weren't out anything.   It won't deter me from getting parts from Ihle in the future.    They have other stuff that I know we're going to be installing over the next few years.


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wire farms
Posted 12/15/2022 10:30 (#9984538 - in reply to #9984369)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Nebraska
yes the ihle turrets are not good. They need to figure that problem out, thats gonna give them a bad rep on the rest of their stuff.
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Vigarfarms
Posted 12/15/2022 02:57 (#9983942 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


rochester IN
I would check the splines in upper unload gear box.
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johnny skeptical
Posted 12/15/2022 05:32 (#9983988 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild



n.c.iowa

Couldn’t tell by your pic, is the unloading auger drive fine splined or does it have coarse splines?

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SDman
Posted 12/15/2022 09:16 (#9984385 - in reply to #9983988)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Yup, if your vertical auger has the fine splines, now is the time to update it to the coarse spline couplers and auger.



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TORQUE
Posted 12/15/2022 08:56 (#9984344 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


SC Iowa
You can buy the unload gear box new from Abline Machine for $1000 or they have the shafts for a couple hundred each. Mine needed shafts, bearings and seals, new was easier.
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40DODGE
Posted 12/15/2022 12:53 (#9984806 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


Very typical of "standard wear" package.
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Tazzerblue
Posted 12/15/2022 12:55 (#9984811 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: Bushels harvested on 1050 sep. hrs?


SW MN
That sounds like a lot of wear for the hrs. need to know the bushels..
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Kooiker
Posted 12/15/2022 19:57 (#9985592 - in reply to #9984811)
Subject: RE: Bushels harvested on 1050 sep. hrs?



Tazzerblue - 12/15/2022 12:55 That sounds like a lot of wear for the hrs. need to know the bushels..


I’ve seen machines with less hours that needed all of that and more.

 

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IdaGuy
Posted 7/17/2023 11:24 (#10320032 - in reply to #9983726)
Subject: RE: Flagship 8230 Rebuild


NW IA
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