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JGS

Posted 10/8/2022 15:58 (#9878462)
Subject: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

NEMO

I am thinking about upgrading balers before next year. Currently I run a 688 New Holland, twine only with no monitor, that is starting to act it's age. Usually put up 550-600 bales a year and would like to have net wrap. I've seen a few Roll-Belt 560's that are priced as reasonable as anything right now. Are they good balers and what should I look for on one or should I look at something else? Would kind of like to stay with the New Holland/Case because of the dealer situation but not opposed to other brands. Open to opinions. Thanks in advance.

JAnderson

Posted 10/8/2022 16:19 (#9878475 - in reply to #9878462)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

McCanna, ND

Commenting to see replies. Girlfriends folks run the same baler and wanted to upgrade to a BR7090. The price difference between a low bale BR and RB isn’t much it seems.

AVP_Matt

Posted 10/8/2022 16:53 (#9878495 - in reply to #9878475)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Hennepin, IL

Skip the BR and go right to the 560. We've had all 3 models mentioned and the 7090 was the most troublesome. To be honest, you know your 688 pretty well by now I'd imagine, so the things to look for on a 688 are going to pretty much be the same on a 560. You're going to notice quite a few things beefier on a 560 though. Basically chains, sprockets, pickup teeth and bands, (not sure how to get to the cam exactly as we've never had this one apart in 6k bales), check belts/splices if it has them. Ideally I'd run it for say 15 mins then take a temp gun to all the bearings, make sure none are hot. Short of the net wrap, this one has been pretty much trouble free. About the only issue other than taking the first bearing out this summer is the cogs in the belt kick-out clutch wore down to the point they were tapered and wouldn't hold. Might be something to check. We eliminated part of that contraption so the belts just run constantly now. IIRC the dealer said if you can raise the door in 6 seconds or less, you don't need the clutch.

JAnderson

Posted 10/8/2022 17:05 (#9878503 - in reply to #9878495)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

McCanna, ND

I run a BR7070 silage special. Just turned 7k bales and the cogs for the belts is giving fits now exactly like you describe. What all is required to be changed to get rid of the clutch? Run a NH 8670 on it so hydraulic flow isn’t a problem.

AVP_Matt

Posted 10/8/2022 21:03 (#9878762 - in reply to #9878503)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Hennepin, IL

There's a small section of chain that's used like a linkage. We took that chain apart and that sliding ramp deal falls out. It's sitting on a shelf in the shop.

If that clutch is giving you fits, switching that won't make it better, but it likely won't get any worse. You'll probably end up changing it at some point fairly soon.

Edited by AVP_Matt 10/8/2022 21:05

JGS

Posted 10/9/2022 11:24 (#9879358 - in reply to #9878495)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

NEMO

I've ran this 688 for 15 years. What kind of net wrap problems have you had? I've never been around a baler with wrap to even know anything about it.

AVP_Matt

Posted 10/10/2022 08:23 (#9880446 - in reply to #9879358)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Hennepin, IL

The first few years of the 560 everyone had problems getting them to wrap consistently. It was a different system from the previous balers that were just about flawless. Since then there have been some updates and most techs can set them to be almost as flawless as the old system. They are still a bit finicky if they get out of adjustment. About the biggest issue I've had is the net taking a full revolution or more to spread to the edges on random bales. Didnt matter how I drove, filled the baler or anything, just completely random. I think I've pretty well got it fixed though.

Edit: Guess I really didn't answer your question. Other posters have pretty well addressed the net wrap. The bit I've messed with it, I've either gone by the book or made it worse. Ours is a 16 and came with a lot of the updates, but I do remember the tech setting it up having to adjust something way out of spec according to the book to make it work. I can't remember if it was the net tail or what exactly. But thats been 6 years ago now. The only thing I'll add to what the other posters said is go over the net spiral rollers with a fine tooth comb. Take a piece of emery paper and sand down anything that isn't absolutely perfectly smooth.

Edited by AVP_Matt 10/10/2022 08:40

wbrook_ford

Posted 10/8/2022 18:51 (#9878589 - in reply to #9878462)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

South Central Wisconsin

Great balers. Top of the line, and I'm a jd man through and through.

Very durable, relatively easy to repair, and can take a mountain of hay and turn it into bales rapidly.

jn5488

Posted 10/9/2022 07:34 (#9879054 - in reply to #9878589)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

NC Indiana

Mine is decent. Had Electrical issues early on. Twisted the main drive shaft in two with an MX110 on it. Not hardly enough tractor but it still did that. Lace pins started to pull thru the laces at 1600 bales. Had to relace all the belts. If a rock wedges in the auger for the pickup it is very hard to back it out. Some bearing issues. The clutch mentioned above is troublesome. Teeth broke off mine in 1000 bales. Check it a couple weeks ago and some have chunks missing again. That was never a problem on the 688. Loved my 688. If the 688 (no electronics) could have the RB560 pickup on it, that would be a great baler. I'm sure all brands have problems but I'm going to shop around when this one gets replaced.

Gearclash

Posted 10/10/2022 08:04 (#9880423 - in reply to #9879054)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Sioux County, NWIA

Your MX110 has plenty sufficient hydraulic flow that you can eliminate the declutch. Don’t just permanently lock up the declutch, replace it with the one piece drive sprocket off the 2019 560 baler.

AVP_Matt

Posted 10/10/2022 08:25 (#9880448 - in reply to #9880423)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Hennepin, IL

What's the reason to not lock the de-clutch up? Other than I'm assuming it'll still wear some

Gearclash

Posted 10/10/2022 09:09 (#9880523 - in reply to #9880448)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Sioux County, NWIA

Even a brand new, permanently locked declutch will shell out. I’ve had it happen and so have others.

AVP_Matt

Posted 10/10/2022 11:21 (#9880678 - in reply to #9880523)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Hennepin, IL

Gotcha. Probably something we should at least have on the shelf then I'd imagine

Gearclash

Posted 10/10/2022 12:21 (#9880733 - in reply to #9880678)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Sioux County, NWIA

Yup. I’d have to look but I think I was chewing up the declutches about every 2500-3500 bales. First set was under warranty. I wanted them to replace with the non declutch drive and they would have but the dealer didn’t have them on hand so they put in another declutch that was locked engaged with a section of pipe where the spring is. That set failed after about the same bales as the first set. Then I installed the 2019 style drive on my own dime.

IFarmtoo

Posted 10/9/2022 12:12 (#9879405 - in reply to #9878462)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Eastern Iowa

I had a 560( not the silage special) and it had the old style pickup on it which was similar too the one on the 688 balers.
For some reason This pickup didn’t work as well picking up and feeding hay or straw as well as the wider pickup on the silage special balers. Dealer recommended adding the roller kit on top of the pickup to help feeding and I’m sure this would help but I still think the low profile and wide pickup does a better job picking up hay.

mike10

Posted 10/9/2022 18:23 (#9879683 - in reply to #9878462)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Most issues with the net were mainly on early machines, 2014 and 15. The system does not have any limit switches or necessary calibrations. The system monitors amperage. On early balers the software did not allow a high enough amperage draw before cutting power to the motors. Added to that the balers did not come with an external power cord but did have a a connector that would plug into the power connector in the cab. The tractor wiring is not heavy enough to carry the load which upped the amperage needed past the cutoff point.

New software and the external power cord along with following the book on setting the net brake took care of the problem. A heavier duckbill right side return spring came available in 16.

The lacing problem was also on early balers. Tho standard baler used clipper lacings like your 688. These did not cause any more problem then they did on prior balers. The heavy duty laced belts used on the specialty crop balers used alligator lacings. The alligator lacings wore through at very low bale count. The solution was to go with Mato lacings like Deere uses. These lacings just go and go without any issue.

The declutch does not hold up as well as on previous balers probably because these balers pack a heavy bale. The last few years the only way to get a declutch was as a dealer installed option. You will not need a declutch. A sprocket is available to replace the declutch. Just disconnecting the linkage can also be done, but I nave still seen wear on those clutches. The sprocket is also less expensive then replacing the clutches.

If buying from a NH dealer, have them install the latest software, set the net brake, and sharpen the net knives. If the baler is an early baler I would also have them install the heavier duckbill return spring on the right side. I also like to adjust the duckbill top stop upwards another inch to provide for a longer net tail. If you have them or do this your self, you will be very happy with the baler.

JGS

Posted 10/9/2022 20:05 (#9879825 - in reply to #9878462)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

NEMO

Thanks for everyone's input.

Lauritsenag

Posted 10/10/2022 06:45 (#9880287 - in reply to #9878462)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

I have a 2015 RB560 with the standard pickup. right at 4000 bales, had the first bearing failure this summer and just replaced the belt shutoff clutch. Put on a roller windguard and cut off the outer rods on the windguard and it will eat anything including dry fluffy cornstalks. I really like the net wrap in front, you can see it wrapping.

Gearclash

Posted 10/10/2022 08:08 (#9880426 - in reply to #9878462)
Subject: RE: New Holland Roll-Belt 560 Baler

Sioux County, NWIA

For your yearly bale count, I would not pass up a nice BR series. Yes, the 560s are more solid and faster if you get a high spec machine, but I have found that the BRs were more user friendly once the net system was tweaked a little.

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