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Jon B
Posted 6/25/2009 11:25 (#756692)
Subject: Old 8N vs new 8N



On the heals of the Farmall discussion, I went to a New Holland open house in Tavistock ON this morning, where I saw side by side the old 8N and the new Boomer 8N.

First of all, I like New Holland - I grew up on Ford tractors, so theres always a soft spot for them. But to call this new Boomer an 8N is really an embarrassment. I was not expecting the Boomer 8N to be a new version of the classic, but it is SO far off, that to even place the 8N label on it is just not right.

I said to someone else that if I had my choice and didn't know when each tractor was made, I would take the old 8N.

I know that all these conversations about 'modern day 4020's' are a moot point, and the cost of a newer old 'streamlined' tractor will much higher then back in the day. Yet there has to be a way of making a 'modernized' version of a classic tractor. I thought New Holland would be onto something with this Boomer 8N - boy I was dissappointed.





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John SD
Posted 6/25/2009 12:02 (#756714 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



Jon, can you tell us about some of the mechanical specs?

I would expect the "new 8N" to have live PTO and a double acting remote hydraulic circuit independent of the PTO.

Liquid cooled diesel engine I presume. 3 cyl?

2wd or MFWD option?

Power steering?


Synchronized transmission? I would expect about 8F and 2R would be a reasonable number of gears. Perhaps an instant reverser option of some sort?

How about a tilt hood for easy maintenance access?

Edited by John SD 6/25/2009 12:04
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Spudland_Dave
Posted 6/25/2009 16:19 (#756858 - in reply to #756714)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N


Maine
From Memory...

CVT Tranny, 50hp 4 Cyl Diesel, MFWD Only...

IMO spec wise, looks like a nice machine...
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Garrett Pommeranz
Posted 6/25/2009 23:30 (#757262 - in reply to #756714)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N


Southern MN and Central IA
The CVT is integrated with a 3-speed gearbox that is electronically controlled. It drives similar to a car so there is only one pedal to push and the controller adjusts the rest. Forward and reverse shuttle lever.
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jasonl
Posted 6/25/2009 12:23 (#756730 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: RE: Old 8N vs new 8N


midwest
What were you expecting?  Looks like a little utility tractor to me!  I think it looks alot alike, of course it will never be the old 8n, but if that is what you really want then you have restore one.  I have one in my shed I could part with, it has the blue belly though.
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Dan_wcIN
Posted 6/26/2009 11:53 (#757702 - in reply to #756730)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



It made a Crop
I was think about this while mowing. This Boomer 8n is is pretty much a modern day 8n. Compact Uitility Tractor.

The modern day Farmall is not a Row Crop tractor.
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Ed Winkle
Posted 6/25/2009 12:59 (#756749 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N


Martinsville, Ohio
Those things are a piece of crap from the get go Jon.

Drive an Oliver 550 and feel the difference.

Blackdirt made me say this.

Ed
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BBfarms
Posted 6/25/2009 13:57 (#756795 - in reply to #756749)
Subject: Based on what.....


SE Michigan
Had a Blue New Holland 1530 was a great little tractor. Traded it a year ago for a Red Case DX34 that I like even better. (startes easiner and is Hydro vs gear). Very good on fuel, and starts very good in the winter.

Are your comments based on facts or emotion?
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Ed Winkle
Posted 6/25/2009 21:07 (#757045 - in reply to #756795)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N


Martinsville, Ohio
You traded a boomer for a boomer and ask about facts or emotion?

The 8N couldn't take our farming stress. The Oliver 550 was twice the tractor. At least it had sleeves in it but the sleeves were as thick as the pistons as the 8N. LOL.

Fact.

Ed Winkle
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Oliver1
Posted 6/25/2009 21:36 (#757078 - in reply to #757045)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



Alton, Ia
Exactly Ed. The 550 beats the 8 or 9 N toys easily.
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Dan_wcIN
Posted 6/25/2009 15:30 (#756832 - in reply to #756749)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



It made a Crop

The 9n,2n,8n retired a lot of horses.  Henry and Harry sure sold a lot of crap then. Well I guess that would be the 9n and 2n.  Henry II brought out the 8n after giving Harry the Boot.

Some people added more cylinders to thier 8n's.





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Pofarmer
Posted 6/25/2009 13:50 (#756792 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



So, what's the problem? Those Boomers are known to be good little tractors. There are a couple of them in my family and they have worked to tear them up and can't do it.
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Jon B
Posted 6/25/2009 15:16 (#756825 - in reply to #756792)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



I don't have a problem with the Boomer - they're great little tractors today

I don't have a problem with the 8N - they're great little tractors from yesterday

I DO have a problem with New Holland child of an unmarried womanizing the 8N name on the Boomer.

I thought when they announced this model was coming out, the Boomer 8N would be a little more similar to the old 8N.
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Pofarmer
Posted 6/25/2009 18:45 (#756945 - in reply to #756825)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



You mean too low slung? 2 wd? No live Hyd? No live PTO? Roll over danger? Gasoline engine? C'mon, they have a great little tractor there, that's suited for MODERN jobs for a tractor that HP. The tractor you envision, no one would buy. I even kinda like it, and I've always had a pretty deep hatred for 8N's.
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plowboy
Posted 6/25/2009 23:03 (#757216 - in reply to #756825)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



Brazilton KS
What do you think is so terrible about it?  I thought it was a nice looking little tractor when I saw it.  I'd consider buying one if I was looking for something that size.  I sure can't see the idea of taking the old one over the new one.....what did you want them to do, remove the power steering and put mechanical brakes on it, and make it so the PTO only turn when the tractor is moving, and it pushes the tractor after you push in the clutch?
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dhfarmboy1066
Posted 6/25/2009 23:43 (#757283 - in reply to #756825)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



North Carolina
I think what Jon B is saying and i agree the new 8n is just another compact tractor with a 8n hood . The old ones was ahead of most other tractors of its time , IH , JD and AC not in HP but in handling and the 3 point . If they came back with the same old 8n with better engine live lift and pto, 55 or 60 years from now my great grand kids would still have there great grandads tractor . I dont think many of these new Junk thactors will make it that long with out being recycled in to something else . (no mater what color it is) I still have my grandads 8n and $ could not buy it . Also all my big tractors are red not blue. just my opinion. DH
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plowboy
Posted 6/26/2009 00:39 (#757345 - in reply to #757283)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



Brazilton KS

dhfarmboy1066 - 6/25/2009 22:43  I dont think many of these new Junk thactors will make it that long with out being recycled in to something else . (no mater what color it is)  DH

 

What "new Junk thactors" are you talking about?  

By and large, it's been my experience that machinery has got a lot better then it used to be.  You can go buy something from about any manufacturer today and be pretty confident you aren't buying a modern day hanger queen.  If you look at the past, you have to be pretty careful what you pick....today, with the advantage of hindsight, it's easy to say the 4020 was great, but what if you had picked a 6000 or a 1030?  The 5000 was a great tractor, but what about the 2010 or the XT? 

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Dan_wcIN
Posted 6/26/2009 07:22 (#757451 - in reply to #757345)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



It made a Crop
Mark, your saying Hindsight is 40/20.

Dad had a 6000 and a 5000. The 5000 is 40 years old and still in use "here". The 6000 left the farm in '72. I cut my tillage teeth that 5000 with the Select-0-Speed.
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dhfarmboy1066
Posted 6/28/2009 01:16 (#759162 - in reply to #757345)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



North Carolina
I agree the new tractors may last longer than the old ones but if you do have problems say with the new ones its back to the dealer to hook up to a computer . to find a 500.00 PART bad you can hold in the palm of your hand . I can not aford a new tractor , and by the looks of some some of these 4 or 5 year old used ones on the move you cant aford to take a chance on owning one of them either. Some of these tractors will be a nightmare to work on in the years to come . Im simply saying a simple stright forward tractor like the 4020 , 806 or the 8n with a few improvments at a decent price with out all the push buttons would be a tractor to have. Had a buddy bought a late model Cash IH had a lift problem spent 8000.00 at a IH dealer tractor never was right sold the tractor and took a big kick in the butt. that tractor was junk to him., By the way im a IH man but i can work on mine. newtractors are just like new cars look under hood and try to find a problem that will make a man pull his hair out!!!! I guess i will just keep my old ones running for ever . Got a 826 farmall i have put 10000 hours on and i thought it was wornout whin i got it 20 years ago. Still just my 2 cents worth DH
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plowboy
Posted 6/28/2009 02:31 (#759192 - in reply to #759162)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



Brazilton KS
I guess I don't see what is supposed to be so impossible about working on newer stuff.  Give me my road box and a service manual and I can and will tear into about anything that needs torn into, and more often then not it will go back to work when I finish.  Physics still works the same regardless of whether you are talking mechanical, hydraulic, electrical, or electronic.  I've worked on green, red, silver, and yellow equipment  (several shades of each color), built over the last four decades in at least seven different countries, and I haven't found anything that didn't follow basic principles of physics yet. 
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RodInNS
Posted 6/26/2009 08:44 (#757538 - in reply to #757283)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N


Many of these new junk tractors are run to death for 15000 hours without too much in the way of major overhauls. You'd be lucky to get 5000 hours from an 8N or anything else of that vintage, and they didn't do the work these ones do either. Sitting in a shed for 50 years doing little or nothing doesn't constitute quality...

Rod
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FFJR
Posted 6/25/2009 14:08 (#756802 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: RE: Old 8N vs new 8N



nc IA
My 2 cents... I would love to own a new "Boomer 8N". Just not in the budget right now. But for that matter what I'm really after is just that - a boomer style compact utility tractor. All the advantages of a 8N - size, manuverability, fuel use (compared to the JD A sitting in the back of the shop). I use the heck out of my 8N - mow my ditch at the acerage, fenceline plowing / cleanup, bushhoging, spot spraying, moving equipment around the yard etc etc. Given the opportunity I could easily see the use of a modern Boomer with more HP in the same size frame, ability to have a loader would be extreamly handy.

Now does it need all the frills - probably not - but the live Hyd, pto, 3pt, fwa and double the hp... yea I'll take that - but a gear shift tranny would be fine.
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JoshuaGA
Posted 6/25/2009 18:47 (#756948 - in reply to #756802)
Subject: RE: Old 8N vs new 8N



Sumner GA, Located in southwest GA,
A hydro on that size tractor with loader is nothing short of amazing. Only thing that will beat it is a skid loader.
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Delmarva Ag
Posted 6/25/2009 16:38 (#756868 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: RE: Old 8N vs new 8N



Seaford, Delaware
I used to have a New Holland 1620 compact tractor with hydrostatic transmission and front wheel assist when I was crusting out chicken houses. Best tractor I ever owned! It was indestructible in a very harsh environment with dust and manure everyday.

Alan
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Steiger Man
Posted 6/25/2009 21:34 (#757076 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: RE: Old 8N vs new 8N


Sunburst Montana

On this farm, for what jobs it would be used for such as mowing, tree work, and running augers, I would definetly take the Boomer 8n.  The old ones are overated to begin with and lack diesel engines, live pto, decent hydraulics, only 4 speeds, and so on.  I think NH did a good job incorporating the 8n elements into this new one.  I mean who wants to straddle the transmission on the old 8n on which you have to swing your leg over getting off and on vs the clean unobstructed platform on the new 8n.  Only advantage the old 8n would have is price and even then you can usually get a better tractor for what some of these 8n bring at sales.



Edited by Steiger Man 6/25/2009 21:35
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sfi
Posted 6/25/2009 22:06 (#757130 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: Re: Old 8N vs new 8N



Oregon
Well, I bleed green but have a deep respect and soft spot for old Farmalls. Never had much use for the N Fords. Pewney little buggers getting stuck on cow pies (just my uneducated opinion) is the picture in my mind. I guess my Grandfather's (who died before my birth) first tractor was an all gray Ford/Ferguson (model?) I think this new 8N looks REALLY NEAT. They did a great job of incorporating the original hood/grille/headlights style into the Boomer. It is consistent with all the other retro stuff happening these days.....Mustang, Challenger, Cameron etc
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RodInNS
Posted 6/25/2009 22:51 (#757202 - in reply to #756692)
Subject: RE: Old 8N vs new 8N


Modern marketing for the yuppie that never experienced the real 8N....

It's a styling excercise and also a gimmic to introduce the new CVT transmission. No doubt a lot more tractor than the old 8N.

Rod
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White Gold
Posted 6/25/2009 22:59 (#757212 - in reply to #757202)
Subject: RE: Old 8N vs new 8N


South Plains of Texas
Yep boy I really miss my Dad's 8n. I learned to drive tractor on that thing. I really miss that hot transmission that my feet rode on all day and lets not forget them brakes or lack there of. I also need to mention something about that power steering, oh yeah I almost forgot, it didn't have power steering. It did have a power lift, whoop tee do. Now that I think about it there ain't a thing I miss about that little tractor. LOL.
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