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Cbl95

Posted 5/15/2022 19:58 (#9661972)
Subject: White 8500 series planters

St Henry Indiana

Starting to look at upgrading planters for the next year, old 800 gave up the ghost and had to finish beans with a drill. White 8500 series are catching our eye for the price and the features they have. What type of hydraulic demand do they have? Am I crazy to think our 2wd 8070 would pull a 16 row? Don’t really need a 16 row but we’ve got everything set up for 8 row stuff and haven’t yet found a 8 row with center fill.

ryan(IN)

Posted 5/15/2022 20:18 (#9661996 - in reply to #9661972)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

Bluffton, IN

We pull an 8523 non central fill with a AC 7060. It handles it ok. Could use more power at times. Hydraulic drive and the seed meter blower is ran from the pto pump. Central fill fan uses tractor hydraulics. If we ever get a bigger tractor for tillage, our 8070 will get put on the 8523.

c_mayer

Posted 5/16/2022 08:00 (#9662597 - in reply to #9661972)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

Jeffersonville, OH

Cbl95 - 5/15/2022 20:58

Starting to look at upgrading planters for the next year, old 800 gave up the ghost and had to finish beans with a drill. White 8500 series are catching our eye for the price and the features they have. What type of hydraulic demand do they have? Am I crazy to think our 2wd 8070 would pull a 16 row? Don’t really need a 16 row but we’ve got everything set up for 8 row stuff and haven’t yet found a 8 row with center fill.

16 row, or 16/31? 16 would be no problem on an 8070, 16/31 you're gonna want more horsepower and some extra weight.

If it 's not Central fill, hydraulic demands are lift, lower, and fold as long as it still has the PTO pump. 8070 will handle it easily.
If it is Central fill, Hydraulic demands would use every drop of oil a brand new 8070 has. We ran our 8523 Central fill on an 8070 for about an hour before we upgraded tractors back in 2007 when the farm bought one. It ran it, but that's about all I can say.

Chris

SJR

Posted 5/16/2022 08:07 (#9662607 - in reply to #9661972)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

NCIA

Listen to what these other guys said. If it’s a box planter, you’ll be fine. If not, you’ll be upgrading tractors. I’ve got a newer, high hydraulic flow tractor, and with the hydraulic starter Fert pump, it’s a big load, wouldn’t want any less.

c_mayer

Posted 5/16/2022 09:31 (#9662686 - in reply to #9662607)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

Jeffersonville, OH

SJR - 5/16/2022 09:07

Listen to what these other guys said. If it’s a box planter, you’ll be fine. If not, you’ll be upgrading tractors. I’ve got a newer, high hydraulic flow tractor, and with the hydraulic starter Fert pump, it’s a big load, wouldn’t want any less.

We run a 8523 Central fill with a RT155A AGCO that has 29GPM, the 8070 is 26GPM. It will run it, but we didn't trust the 8070 long term. It was time for a tractor upgrade anyway...8070 Open station with a computer being in the weather wasn't the best idea the old man had, even with it never sitting outside unless we are in the field.

Chris

wjk

Posted 5/18/2022 09:37 (#9665155 - in reply to #9662686)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

South Central Indiana

c_mayer - 5/16/2022 09:31

SJR - 5/16/2022 09:07

...8070 Open station

Chris

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c_mayer

Posted 5/18/2022 11:11 (#9665264 - in reply to #9665155)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

Jeffersonville, OH

wjk - 5/18/2022 10:37

c_mayer - 5/16/2022 09:31

SJR - 5/16/2022 09:07

...8070 Open station

Chris

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Picture?

It's actually a 4 post, but it's not a cab. Has a plastic cover in the top, and a tag in a normal place from the normal ROPS certification tag. We've had it for years. Found an 8030 4 post a few yeas ago the guy bought new, but couldn't talk him out of it. It's sitting with AC 8070 Serial number 1001

Chris

AC 8070's

AC 8070

Edited by c_mayer 5/18/2022 11:14

wjk

Posted 5/19/2022 08:58 (#9666383 - in reply to #9665264)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

South Central Indiana

Interesting, didn't know there was such a thing as an open 8000 series, have seen chop top 7000's. Controls and dash setup same as full cab version?

c_mayer

Posted 5/19/2022 09:26 (#9666414 - in reply to #9666383)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

Jeffersonville, OH

wjk - 5/19/2022 09:58

Interesting, didn't know there was such a thing as an open 8000 series, have seen chop top 7000's. Controls and dash setup same as full cab version?

Everything is the same. They did not make a fender version of the 8000, just the Rops Version like that. Dad say a few new in the south back in the day, and this one and that 8030 we found a few years ago. Not really common.

The 7000's they had a true fender version, and the 4 post that looked like a cab with all the glass out. 7080 was the only one they didn't offer in all 3 versions.
Chris

brad c

Posted 5/16/2022 10:21 (#9662728 - in reply to #9661972)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

Carbondale, KS

What is the hp and hydraulic flow of the 8070?

Kinze has an 8 row center fill.

We had an 8531 centerfill. It's heavy and has negative tongue weight in the field. Seems like the centerfill took like 13-14 gpm. Then we had a pto pump for the blowers and rawson seed drive.

An 8516 is a much better built and balanced planter.

Cbl95

Posted 5/16/2022 11:09 (#9662767 - in reply to #9661972)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

St Henry Indiana

Thanks for the responses, we’re not looking at a splitter tractor so an 8516 is just right. We’re also tossing around the idea of replacing our 3588. We’ve been trying to figure out if the old 8070 can be the planter tractor and we replace the 3588 with a bigger tillage horse or if we need to find one that can run a more modern planter and leave the 8070 on tillage duty

c_mayer

Posted 5/16/2022 14:27 (#9662961 - in reply to #9662767)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

Jeffersonville, OH

brad c - 5/16/2022 11:21

What is the hp and hydraulic flow of the 8070?

Kinze has an 8 row center fill.

We had an 8531 centerfill. It's heavy and has negative tongue weight in the field. Seems like the centerfill took like 13-14 gpm. Then we had a pto pump for the blowers and rawson seed drive.

An 8516 is a much better built and balanced planter.

170hp and 26GPM from memory. Central Fill does take roughly 13-14GPM. PTO pump on those same planters is 12GPM, again, from memory.

Cbl95 - 5/16/2022 12:09

Thanks for the responses, we’re not looking at a splitter tractor so an 8516 is just right. We’re also tossing around the idea of replacing our 3588. We’ve been trying to figure out if the old 8070 can be the planter tractor and we replace the 3588 with a bigger tillage horse or if we need to find one that can run a more modern planter and leave the 8070 on tillage duty

16 row 8516 non Central fill the 8070 would handle just fine, I believe. Our RT handles the 8523 and we've also pulled an 8816 16 row with it, power is never the problem at normal planting speeds, it's hydraulics for the newer stuff is the main thing. We run the RT155A at 1700RPM with the 8523 central fill.

Chris

GM Guy

Posted 5/17/2022 23:18 (#9664671 - in reply to #9661972)
Subject: RE: White 8500 series planters

NW KS/ SC ID

Kalvesta Implement, Kalvesta KS had a 16r30 central fill behind a 8070 on their lot a year or two ago. I assumed it was a lot tractor and was just moving it, then i saw it was all hooked up.

IIRC it had no PTO pump, and Bruce (the owner) said it ran it, but they had to kick out the central fill blower on the ends to divert enough oil to run the lift circuit. get turned around, set back down, kick central fill back on, and go.

Myself I'd use a PTO pump to take some strain off the hydraulics. PTO pump is alot cheaper than the tractor pump.

As far as the planter, abuddy had a 8516, now has a 8824. his biggest complaint was the forward facing wheels on the 8500 series frame, which is a ncessary evil on a soybean planter. 30" only, the rear facing wheels of the 8800 series is a little better.

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