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Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa
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mafrif
Posted 3/23/2022 21:45 (#9576686)
Subject: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa



NC Iowa

In the past we have tested   hybrids in conventional tillage COC, and in striptillage COC.  There were hybrids that would fair well in the tilled soil, but not perform quite so well in the striptillage.  I wanted to partially test that inside of a major tillage test.

Field history-  This is another extremely variable field, the north side is excellent soil, and it slowly progresses worse as you go south.  Field has been in corn bean rotation and has been tilled every year for a long time.  I have notilled beans into this field one time.  In the fall of 20 I used DMI disc chisel to dig 80', leave 160', and then dig another 80' all the way across the field.  Fall strip till was done on 80', and then I notilled the other 80'.  In the spring the conventional tillage was dug with soil finisher.

Digging with my 5 year old autosteer, he wanted to steer it manually.



I used a 40' planter with two hybrids, and then changed hybrids and planted the other 40'.  So there are four hybrids, with three different tillage types replicated across 50 acres.
The other times I have tested notill or strip till against conventional, they were on fields that had a history of no/striptill.   Many times you hear "you can't just start notilling a field right away after a long history of tillage".  This was a good opportunity to test that as I transition these newer fields to no/striptill.

Best picture I have, we were putting in an intake and making sure the tile was working correctly, he stole his 5 year old daughters hat, it was so cold..  Fall strips and ripper passes complete.



It planted very well,  strip till was perfect conditions, the conventional was on the dry side, and the notill was pretty cold and a hair tacky.  The non-GMO beans we plant are very trashy and break down very slow and create a thick mat.
Not this test field but another one with same beans with thick cover.


The notill was behind right away with cold soil temps and then a cold snap of weather after planting, it was a solid collar behind the entire year.  With the maturity range of 94-104, there was a lot going on regarding timing of pollination, it was interesting to watch.

All nitrogen (urea and AMS) was laid on top, the first shot didn't go on until the corn was up (May 27). It was planted on the 26th of april.  Main reason for the late timing is it never rained.  Last shot got put on June 15.  Applied 150 lbs total N.

I didn't trust the yield monitor being there was four different hybrids, so we harvested each pass and weighed each of them individually and used moisture average of the entire pass.  Actually worked pretty well, my seed dealer/ friend, came out to ride with me in the combine to record all the numbers.
As you can see the field starts with good yields declines as you go south.



Pretty boring test again, really no difference other then moisture was a little higher in notill again.   I was honestly a little surprised the notill didn't fair better with such little rain, i'm not sure what to think on that.

I think the biggest advantage to strip till in these situations is how easy it plants compared to notill.  The down pressure requirement in fall strips is almost the same as conventional tillage, so any planter out there can easily do it.  To plant notill succesfully you need adjustable row cleaners, heavy down pressure with a way to monitor it, and good closing wheels.   We have a high speed planter, I have no problem going 8-10 in nice strips, but usually limit myself to 7mph in full notill with the high downforce requirements.

Any questions please ask.

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Hanktbd
Posted 3/23/2022 22:16 (#9576744 - in reply to #9576686)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa



Central IL
Thank You for posting these real life tests. I have been notilling for several years and while I am very pleases with the soil condition, reduced erosion, and machinery savings, I have often wondered if I am leaving some yield on the table by not incorporating the P fertilizer.
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DobsonAG
Posted 3/24/2022 05:36 (#9576929 - in reply to #9576686)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


Donnellson, IA. Makes saying here easier.
I think that's a kiddo thing. Mine is 7 this year and he loves anything we do that can be manually steered. He has asked me since he was very little, don't you get bored only steering on the ends. Thanks for sharing more data.
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Pvafarm
Posted 3/24/2022 07:09 (#9577065 - in reply to #9576686)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


Southeast WI
I totally agree with you on the ease of planting strip till. Being in a mostly notill environment I'll almost always notill bean stubble, however cont corn on any low ground sees the strip till rig. Night and day difference in planting and decent enough yield response.

Are you going to cont these trials for a few years to get different environments tested? Multi year data is powerful to drive long term decisions.

Testing hybrids is really difficult the past 15 years with such fast turnover in numbers. I couldn't imagine trying to get a large enough database to say "X" hybrid performs poorly in strip and best in NT, etc. From that work are you able to see trends in families of hybrids or do you think each individual hybrid is unique and has to stand on its own, so to speak?
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mafrif
Posted 3/24/2022 08:59 (#9577296 - in reply to #9577065)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa



NC Iowa

The hybrids not performing were almost always non-GMO's from smaller companies.  It wasn't super common, but there have been a few that didn't keep up over the last decade.  Not really looking for ones that are good, just trying to make sure they aren't duds and get rid of them early on in small trails.  All these pioneer numbers are very new and were supposed to be the latest and greatest, but not really impressed with any of them except 0075.  A good dealer can usually give some insight how they will react, mainly looking for great emergence and ability to handle some stress.  

As for long term testing.  I'm about done testing for a while.  I've tested striptill vs conventional till and now notill quite a few times.  I've had a handful of very small comparisions, maybe a side by side that I won't post, but doing the same tests 15-20 times over a five year span and always having the same results let me feel confident.  On to the next chapter so to speak...

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NwmoW900
Posted 3/24/2022 07:59 (#9577172 - in reply to #9576686)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


northwest Missouri
How were other nutrients applied? Broadcast? I feel like the biggest benefit with strip till is placing nutrients in a band under the seed.
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DobsonAG
Posted 3/24/2022 08:25 (#9577229 - in reply to #9577172)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


Donnellson, IA. Makes saying here easier.
It really shines in low fertility environments. And when renting ground and not trying to build but just feed the crop.
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NwmoW900
Posted 3/24/2022 08:27 (#9577239 - in reply to #9577229)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


northwest Missouri
Absolutely, we have just started down this path ourselves and are really looking forward to see the results. Most all cash rent land around here is low fertility.
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mafrif
Posted 3/24/2022 09:01 (#9577302 - in reply to #9577172)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa



NC Iowa

NwmoW900 - 3/24/2022 06:59 How were other nutrients applied? Broadcast? I feel like the biggest benefit with strip till is placing nutrients in a band under the seed.


Yes all broadcast.  I think there is something to the MAP being placed in a band, especially in our high pH soils.  In low testing rented soils I think there is an advantage, but thats not much of a concern for us.

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Luke Skywalker
Posted 3/24/2022 08:26 (#9577236 - in reply to #9576686)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


Arva, Ontario
Chad.
Thank you for taking the time to do the prep, then plant the plot, and harvest it with a righteous measuring device. Furthermore, thanks for posting the results.

Your observations echo ours here in the Great Lakes Basin in that there’s not a lot to pick from in these tillage regimes. Where differences lie, IMO is that no-till and strips take more ‘management’ with respect to residue distribution, the discipline to not mark fields in the fall, and the recognition that it takes a bit better grade of operator in the planter to make sure the seed zone is cleared, depth consistent, and the seed trench closed. For some, it is ‘easier’ to make it black in the fall, beat it to bug dust in the spring, and plant with the same settings as worked last year. Personally, I’ll replace the labor, fuel and overhead with some management.
The ‘here’ difference between no-till and strip-till in the Lake Erie watershed is that it gives us the opportunity to apply P in fairly large quantities and have it incorporated with minimal soil disturbance. Other options would be broadcast followed by full width tillage, or banding with planter or drill.

I agree with Tom’s observation that hybrid lifetimes are too short anymore to categorize them by tillage. This is where I rely on the breeder ratings and supplier input to keep the “Goldilocks” hybrids off of our no-till/strip-till environment.

Thanks again for sharing.
Ken
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Pvafarm
Posted 3/25/2022 06:44 (#9578908 - in reply to #9577236)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


Southeast WI
Kind of waited to see how many would show interest in this thread before saying any more. You nailed it on the head with the management word which is why more don't adopt and use these practices instead of being on the tillage merry-go-round* (*credit bb940p). It takes more thinking to get it right and while it does take a better operator, it sure seems easier to me to train one good one than have 2-3 extra people flopping around on the payroll not returning anything.

Chad did a great job with these plots and those that actually test practices find the same results. Hell, even our corn agronomist Joe Lauer at Madison looked at literature and reported years ago that in a corn-soy rotation tillage does not determine yield. This from a guy that promotes max hybrid yield.
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Luke Skywalker
Posted 3/26/2022 09:18 (#9580609 - in reply to #9578908)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa


Arva, Ontario
I think it was Tom Oswald that said “Tillage begets tillage”. The longer one tills, the more of it is required to achieve the same results.

Right now, at current prices, and some pre-purchased inputs, any and all tillage seems cost effective.

I’m so grateful our operation got squeezed in the 90’s and we adopted no-till as a means of reducing the need for labor, fuel and overhead. In the next few years, there will the inevitable crash as output prices collapse, yet input costs slowly recalibrate.

I recognize that there are some cropping systems and soil types that the transition to no-till and or strip-till is much more challenging, but “wanting” to make it work is a key element.

Ken
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BenP
Posted 3/24/2022 09:12 (#9577316 - in reply to #9576686)
Subject: RE: Notill vs Fall Strip vs Conventional tillage COB- NC Iowa



Central Nebraska
Thanks for posting your tests. I've been trying to decide how to do some tests between no till and strip till and make it "fair." I'm constantly thinking about going away from strip till in my lighter soils and going to a no till 50/50 rotation. However, I find that banding P and K in my wet, high ph soils makes a huge difference in corn and soybean yields. I also have had issues in the past with soybean stands in those higher ph soils when no tilling. Strip till is kind of the easy button in those situations.

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