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GreenhouseGuy

Posted 3/4/2009 21:00 (#631903)
Subject: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Piedmont, NC

I have never grown this for sale. I have grown silver queen. I know. Quit yelling at me. I know there are better ones out there. My question is which ones? What would pass for silver queen? Also how do you time plantings? plant every week? Thank you. Also what about worm control? Is BT worth it?

Ed Winkle

Posted 3/4/2009 21:41 (#631972 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Martinsville, Ohio

I am an Avalon lover, sweet, big ears high off the ground, nice big stalk. I don't like puny corns.

http://www.rogersadvantage.com/products/corn.asp

Vision my favorite yellow try some Honey Selec.

2005 but good chart:

http://ag.udel.edu/extension/vegprogram/documents/corn2005.pdf

Providence or bt Providence favorite bicolor.

Rupp knows their sweet corn, one of the best grower catalogs, have to call to get it, not online or just ask and order on the phone or email:
http://www.ruppseeds.com/ great seed

Harris Moran is a leader:

http://www.harrismoran.com/

Stokes is favorite and where I get my Vision variety:
http://www.stokeseeds.com/cgi-bin/StokesSeeds.storefront

My customers call Avalon Super Silver Queen, if you plant one plant it.

I rotate so worms and Bt is not worth it to me.

Good sweet corn is at least $5 a pound, I have paid $500 for 50 lbs. Many sell by the count, $7 for 250 seeds.

Ed

John e.c.MI

Posted 3/4/2009 21:52 (#631987 - in reply to #631972)
Subject: Ed, forgive my ignorance...

Croswell, Michigan

How does rotating prevent earworms? I thought earworms were the result of moths just like corn borer?

By the way, we are big fans of Rogers BC 0805 bt sweet corn.

Edited by John e.c.MI 3/4/2009 21:53

nwb soky

Posted 3/4/2009 23:01 (#632069 - in reply to #631987)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

south central, KY

Bodacious and Incredible are two great yellows and are pretty early. Last year we had Captivate which is white, and it was the best sweet corn I have ever had. Just remember everyone will always ask you if you have any Peaches n Cream or Silver Queen.

Ed Winkle

Posted 3/5/2009 07:21 (#632273 - in reply to #631987)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Martinsville, Ohio

I never had a big problem with ear worms unless I kept planting sweet corn in the same patch. That is just me.

I don't get upset with a few ear worms though, we freeze those ears if we can save them but toss a few back to rot. I never get it ALL picked anyway but try to. Should be easy this year with lots of hungry neighbors and a growing family. You get 10 people in a patch and most of them know what they are doing and they disasppear pretty quickly. I constantly teachg growing and harvest but they keep coming back here.

I am on the same page as Frank and Boog, those are comments I agree with. Avalon is superior to Rogers 0805 here. Never had a disppointing harvest with it. Vision is a really good yellow and lots of people are eating yellow again but white is still preferred at the market. BiColor kind of taking second place to both but pretty dependable.

If you have earworms I see why you like the Bt's, you give up too much taste for me.

I know far less than my contacts so I don't want to sound like an expert here because I'm not.

The guys who grow it for a living for fresh market know their stuff.

Ed

frank ks

Posted 3/4/2009 23:12 (#632088 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: RE: Sweet corn, Which ones?

edgerton ks.

Avalon is good. The BT version is WH 0809 .Yes bt works well but to be completely worm free still requires at least a spraying or two. We plant it an feel its worth the money. Honey select is the best yellow we have found and has a loyal following. This year they have it in a BT version also, it is GH 0851. For a bicolor corn try providence or 0805bt. Also 0808bt is the same corn but about 5 days earlier maturity. All the above corns are triplesweet varieties. They emerge rather well in cold soils, much better than sh2's. Planting varies, early in the season as much as 10 days apart. later on only 5 days. Best way is to plant the next planting the same day you can row the previous planting. You really need to spray to keep sweetcorn worm free. Clean corn is much eaisier to sell than wormy corn. Moth flights vary, some plantings will be heavily infested an the next planting beside it will stay clean. Spray at first silk an every 3rd day there after till the silks turn brown. Goodluck and enjoy. By the way we charge $5 at farmers market an $4.50 at the farm [here]. Can't seem to raise enough.

Bill C, IN

Posted 3/5/2009 21:55 (#633200 - in reply to #632088)
Subject: RE: Sweet corn, Which ones?

What do you spray to kill the earworms

frank ks

Posted 3/5/2009 22:03 (#633216 - in reply to #633200)
Subject: RE: Sweet corn, Which ones?

edgerton ks.

Generic permithrin [pounce] still works well for us . we also use warrior an mustang max.

boog

Posted 3/4/2009 23:47 (#632144 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Eor eating straight out of the patch we like the "Xtra Tenders" 273& 277, They are sugar enhances (45-50% sugar compared to 12-15% sugars for regular sweet corn) but they make a poor freezer corn. They are AuSH2 corns so need to be isolated from field corn & other sweet corns, For freezing we really like Serendipity. We also like Ambrosa for eating & freezing as well as Colonial. One thing we have fiund with the Xtra Tender varietys is that they seem to "hold" longer once they are ready to eat than most corns

Planting, I like to plant about every two weeks & plant 2 or 3 different maturites each time. First planting is usually prior to planting field corn and last planting is usually late May or early June. Last year we had corn ready to eat in late June clear up into Sept.

black dirt

Posted 3/5/2009 06:36 (#632240 - in reply to #632144)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Elkhart, Illinois

I think the last couple years, we have planted Bodacious, Incredible, Illini Xtra sweet and Tendertreat......2 plantings of each about 40 days apart gives us corn for close to 2 months with the differenc in maturites. I sure like to get the first out early enough for July 4th. Alot of local people look forward to it.
I get lots of requests for the xtra sweet but the Tendertreat has been tough to beat for years. It is good to eat fresh and freezes very well too. Coons and bugs don't tend to bother it as much as some of the others.

Rootsy

Posted 3/5/2009 08:35 (#632354 - in reply to #632144)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Hillsdale Co. Michigan

I'm with you on the AuSh2's. They are like eating candy right off of the cob. Selling roadside and at market, if you keep them fairly cool, they'll hold very well. I've been successful as long as a week off of the stalk unrefrigerated. Keep them refrigerated in the upper 40's and they'll hang on for nearly another week. Not that what I've grown ever hangs around that long.... Generally it is sold as quickly as it matures and I can get it off the stalk.

Speaking this winter with a local producer they are also onto the IFSI varieties for their in store sales as well as supplying other local vendors. They talked me into trying some IFSI Sweet Surprise for this year. Seems to have done very well in some local university trials in Indiana and Michigan. Available from Rispen. I am also putting in some 2573.

Any of these "gourmet" sweets are going to run you in excess of $15 / lb for treated seed. In the end I am fully on board as them being worth it. Folks that buy from me have told me on more than one occasion how wonderful the stuff was. I aim to please.... Good corn sells itself and people are willing to pay good money for it.

Only thing I don't like is the lack of a decent disease package and that creates some extra effort on my part. Well that and coons... the scourge of the sweet corn field....

frank ks

Posted 3/5/2009 10:16 (#632475 - in reply to #632144)
Subject: Re: Hey Boog, How about?

edgerton ks.

Emergence on the sh2s? Got some ordered for this year. Going to try some ext ten 278a and a mirai variety. Tried some a few years back and the kernel texture was tough. They say they have fixed that now. Just wondering how early a guy can start. I know they really promote waiting on very warm soil to arrive.

Rootsy

Posted 3/5/2009 10:24 (#632489 - in reply to #632475)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Hillsdale Co. Michigan

Frank,

60F ground temperatures are recommended for most of those augmented Sh2's. Some of the earlier varieties have better cold soil emergence and vigor but you're taking chances. first - second week of May is about as early as I can chance in Southern Michigan. We had a rather cold April & May last year and I ended up replanting the first stuff I put in (Xtra Tender 2171) the 1st of May... Ground just wasn't warm enough and neither were the temperatures. The Mirai are extremely susceptible to failure due to cold ground temperatures. I've been told that the 270A deals with colder ground temps fairly well... Never planted any though.

brad c

Posted 3/5/2009 16:17 (#632790 - in reply to #632475)
Subject: Re: Hey Boog, How about?

Carbondale, KS

Frank,

I live west you a little bit and my experience w/sh2 varieties isn't good. I think it is recommended to have at least 65 degree soil temps and i would recommend 70+. No popup fertilizer w/it (lol - trial by fire). Takes plenty of moisture to germ. For me it always seems tough...sweet but tough. After a few bad experiences i just stopped messing w/it.

I prefer the se and i treat them just like i do my field corn...pops, fertility etc.

boog

Posted 3/5/2009 23:04 (#633309 - in reply to #632475)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

It's best to wait for the soils to waem up but last year we planted some AuSh2s around the 15th of April. Stand was probably about 65% of normal but it was nice to have some ready early. Don't know if it's related but since we started planting the AuSh2s we have started having problems with raccoons. Last year was the first time we ever had to put an electric fence around our sweet corn patch.

Mike Shimek

Posted 3/5/2009 07:23 (#632274 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

High Springs, Florida

I like the Honey Select for a nice SE yellow. But my over all favorite is 277A. I plant a section then when it is up about an inch, plant the next section. Sometimes they run together if it gets really hot. Keep planting until about the middle of July.

Treasure was a really good white SH2, but very susceptible to rust. Great tasting white, though. Have not seen it sold last few years.

dhfarmboy1066

Posted 3/5/2009 07:58 (#632306 - in reply to #632274)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

North Carolina

How far apart do you need to plant the yellows from the whites to keep them from mixing . In distance and timing of planting . DH

SandyHills

Posted 3/5/2009 07:58 (#632307 - in reply to #632274)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Does anyone have a online place to order sweet corn at good prices? or are prices the same!
TIA

BRIAN

Posted 3/5/2009 17:48 (#632847 - in reply to #632307)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Graymont Illinois

I usually order from Siegers http://www.siegers.com we really love the yellow sh2 Passion

Ed Winkle

Posted 3/5/2009 20:01 (#632987 - in reply to #632847)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Martinsville, Ohio

Another very good company. Phil Short knows his corn too.

Good buy on some XTRA Tender:

http://www.siegers.com/shop/internet_specials.asp

soybean99

Posted 3/5/2009 20:14 (#633016 - in reply to #632987)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

fayette county, ohio

i like www.harrisseeds.com you can read about many many varieties

Ed Winkle

Posted 3/5/2009 20:25 (#633035 - in reply to #633016)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Martinsville, Ohio

http://www.harrisseeds.com/storefront/Chart.aspx?ID=294

Argent and Silver King? old, old

372A about the only white I see there.

What is the difference between Harris and Harris Moran I listed above?

One is up to date!

Ed

iseedit

Posted 3/5/2009 08:49 (#632370 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: RE: "Another source of seed / varieties ~

central - east central Minnesota -

Jordan seeds - very good company to work with .. http://www.jordanseeds.com/

Mike Shimek

Posted 3/5/2009 10:31 (#632500 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

High Springs, Florida

Frank, "they" say 65*F soil temperature for the SH2's to germinate properly. They need lots of moisture, too.

DH, about 2 weeks, you should be safe, if maturities are similar. They say 600 to 1000 feet on distance. I would make sure the SE is downwind of the SH2 for the prevailing winds.

SandyHills, Rupp and Rispen are good choices.

Edited by Mike Shimek 3/5/2009 10:33

BSchroeder

Posted 3/5/2009 16:48 (#632809 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Devils Lake, ND

My Monsanto guy told me if I used all RR crops this year, and used all Monsanto glyphosate he would give me all the sweet corn I wanted. I told him I have the same offer from three other dealers, and I wanted him to throw in zucchini as well. He said he would have to talk to St. Louis and get back to me, but I know he will do it. I'm a big farmer, and no way is he going to pass on my business.

Edited by BSchroeder 3/5/2009 16:50

pigfarmerj

Posted 3/5/2009 20:01 (#632985 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: Re: RR Sweet Corn

nw illinois

Anyone have any RR sweetcorn. Of course I mean racoon resistant!!

Edited by pigfarmerj 3/5/2009 20:03

oleozz

Posted 3/6/2009 11:37 (#633800 - in reply to #631903)
Subject: We sell SE

Pennsylvania

All the sweet corn that we sell is SE, which is 30-35% sugar. I will start planting around April 15 this year, a gamble, will plant most of the corn after May 10. I use a preemergence spray, don't spray for bugs, which is probably a mistake. Just completed soil samples of my patches and they are being checked by Penn State U., sweet corn loves the lime. My neigbor hauls in the pig manure and that makes her grow.

Ed Winkle

Posted 3/6/2009 20:32 (#634230 - in reply to #633800)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Martinsville, Ohio

Which SE's?

http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~vegnet/library/res06/sweetcorn06.htm

Triple sweets grow as well for me and people like them even better here.

Avalon, Vision, Honey Select.

Ed

oleozz

Posted 3/7/2009 05:36 (#634543 - in reply to #634230)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn, Which ones?

Pennsylvania

Ed Winkle - 3/6/2009 20:32

Which SE's?

http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~vegnet/library/res06/sweetcorn06.htm

Triple sweets grow as well for me and people like them even better here.

Avalon, Vision, Honey Select.

Ed

Incredible, Silver King, and Ambrosia. If folks don't recognize the name they are apprehensive about buying. King and Incredible are household names in this area for sweet corn so sell well, Ambrosia on the other hand not so well because people are not familiar with it although it's a great tasting sweet corn.

Edited by oleozz 3/7/2009 05:45

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