AgTalk Home
AgTalk Home
Search Forums | Classifieds (5) | Skins | Language
You are logged in as a guest. ( logon | register )

What is a 'turn row"
View previous thread :: View next thread
   Forums List -> Machinery TalkMessage format
 
FVFarms
Posted 2/7/2013 22:38 (#2883095)
Subject: What is a 'turn row"


Central NE
I hear this phrase in country songs. Cannot for the life of me figure out what it is.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
shaun3480
Posted 2/7/2013 22:40 (#2883099 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Phillips Co NW Kansas
I thought I was the only one that didn't know that and I felt like such an idiot asking what it was. A turn row is the rows that are around the outside of the field to cover up the tracks made when turning around to go the other direction.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
FVFarms
Posted 2/7/2013 22:42 (#2883105 - in reply to #2883099)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Central NE
Tim McGraw says he used to "park his truck out in a turn row in a cotton field" and listen to music.

Is it just a cotton thing? Because I call them end rows.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
ISUAgBusiness
Posted 2/7/2013 22:42 (#2883106 - in reply to #2883099)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Central IA
+1 AKA as the headland or endrows...
Top of the page Bottom of the page
farmer45
Posted 2/7/2013 22:54 (#2883136 - in reply to #2883106)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Washington Co Ks
I've always called the rows at the end of the field turn rows. I grow milo and beans. I grew up at a time when we cultavated several times so these end rows were what we turned around on hence the name turn rows. I think that around here most people call them turn rows.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Larry NCKS
Posted 2/8/2013 07:05 (#2883430 - in reply to #2883136)
Subject: X2


Washington, Kansas & Lincoln, Nebraska
turnrows or headlands
Top of the page Bottom of the page
pvfarms
Posted 2/8/2013 09:27 (#2883776 - in reply to #2883099)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Northwestern Minnesota
shaun3480 - 2/7/2013 22:40

I thought I was the only one that didn't know that and I felt like such an idiot asking what it was. A turn row is the rows that are around the outside of the field to cover up the tracks made when turning around to go the other direction.
Called Headlands here
Top of the page Bottom of the page
brangus02
Posted 2/7/2013 22:55 (#2883140 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


South Texas
Never knew a "turnrow" by any other name until i started reading agtalk a few years back... Guess it's kinda like those northern guys with their "tile" that looks nothing like a kitchen floor or a shower wall?
Top of the page Bottom of the page
bigaljack
Posted 2/7/2013 22:57 (#2883144 - in reply to #2883140)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"



Bartlett TX
+1
Top of the page Bottom of the page
TJG in MS
Posted 2/8/2013 06:40 (#2883378 - in reply to #2883144)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


Itta Bena Mississippi
+2
Top of the page Bottom of the page
tommyw-5088
Posted 2/8/2013 14:16 (#2884264 - in reply to #2883378)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


Texas
Must be a southern thing ,Also called end rows

Our turn rows were not planted ,end rows were .

We always had a road in the middle of big fields ,called it a turn row .
Top of the page Bottom of the page
nbfarms
Posted 2/7/2013 22:56 (#2883143 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


We call them "corners" or sometimes end rows
Top of the page Bottom of the page
shaun3480
Posted 2/7/2013 22:59 (#2883147 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Phillips Co NW Kansas
Here in NW KS we call them turn rows too. I guess it doesn't matter what you call them still the same thing. I couldn't believe had to ask my boss that question. Lucky for me I kind of had an excuse because I have spent more time in the shop than doing the farm work.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Detroit
Posted 2/7/2013 23:08 (#2883162 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


Crawfordsville, Arkansas
This is what I call a turnrow. 64 is the highway running by my town. Both of these fields are in cotton. The bare dirt you see at the ends of the rows are turnrows.

Just FYI, 2 weeks ago outside of Terre Haute Indiana was the first time in my life to see a tile plow... But we have miles and miles of turnrows. Just different parts of the world I guess.



(image.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments image.jpg (78KB - 266 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Big Ben
Posted 2/7/2013 23:14 (#2883171 - in reply to #2883162)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA
So what is it about cotton that prevents growers from just going and planting the turn rows like so many other crops?

Top of the page Bottom of the page
semosandfarmer
Posted 2/7/2013 23:28 (#2883190 - in reply to #2883171)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"



East Prairie, MO

Flood irrigation is the culprit there Ben, I grew cotton under pivot and went ahead and planted end rows....ok...TURN rows on my cotton as well. When a guy is in a situation where wet feet may be a concern then it's going to all have to be on a bed, and can't have beds on the ends so a trick there when not flood irrigated is to plant some rows on the edges of the end then leave a true enough blank turn row between it and the regular field rows. This also allows spraying the edges and being able to turn without folding your booms which is such a pain on furrow irrigated ground planted as far out as you can get to the ditch.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Five Lock Boll
Posted 2/8/2013 04:55 (#2883297 - in reply to #2883171)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


Northeast Louisiana
A big part of it, in addition to the irrigation that SEMO mentioned, is that you make so many trips through cotton in a season that there's not much left of your end rows by harvest. This has changed a little in recent years, as RR has reduced the number of trips somewhat, and we do plant end rows where possible, but they don't make much.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
TJG in MS
Posted 2/8/2013 06:42 (#2883381 - in reply to #2883297)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


Itta Bena Mississippi
And sticks and stalks will plug the doors of a picker head when runing them through any way but correctly.
Tom
Top of the page Bottom of the page
semosandfarmer
Posted 2/9/2013 23:47 (#2887503 - in reply to #2883297)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"



East Prairie, MO
Good point Five Lock, another reason to plant some end rows around the edge and leave a set back turn row (wow i think i just solved the whole puzzle speaking naturally!) to keep from folding the sprayer all day. Assuming flood irrigation doesn't prevent doing that. Still lots of trips through the cotton!
Top of the page Bottom of the page
stevehin
Posted 2/8/2013 16:49 (#2884508 - in reply to #2883162)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


central PA
Detroit, nicely planted
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Mike SE IL
Posted 2/7/2013 23:46 (#2883210 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"



West Union, Illinois
Turn rows is not a term used in this area. The rows at the end of the field are called "end rows"
Top of the page Bottom of the page
jdflyer
Posted 2/8/2013 01:44 (#2883264 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Centralia, MO
I grew up calling them end rows but I did have a neighbor that referred to them as end lands.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Robert W Greif
Posted 2/8/2013 04:24 (#2883289 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Headlands here



Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463
Very seldom hear the area at the edge of the field called other than headlands.

Do you plant 24 or 36 row headlands?

The baby in the pic would need a good sized headland.



(DSC01535.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments DSC01535.jpg (40KB - 302 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 2/8/2013 05:13 (#2883304 - in reply to #2883289)
Subject: RE: Headlands here.....& at Waterloo & Mannheim!



Chebanse, IL.....

Bobby is right. Their correct name is headlands, or headland rows. Turnrows, endrows, etc are all misnomers.

Also, many posters may also realize that JD calls the technology available in their tracttors "Headland Management". They don't call it turn-row anything. You can read about it in the following link.

http://salesmanual.deere.com/sales/salesmanual/en_NA/tractors/2012/feature/operator_station_and_controls/6030p_7030p/6000_7000sf_hms.html

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Virginia Veg.
Posted 2/8/2013 05:32 (#2883316 - in reply to #2883304)
Subject: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced.



Eastern VA. No such thing as too many Magnums.
Are you joking? Since Deere calls it headland, everything else is a misnomer? I think it's possible I've heard the term "headland" but I wouldn't say it's common or the only "correct" term. That was funny. I would bet big money that end rows or turn rows are both far more common.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Detroit
Posted 2/8/2013 07:35 (#2883507 - in reply to #2883316)
Subject: RE: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced.


Crawfordsville, Arkansas
Virginia Veg. - 2/8/2013 04:32

Are you joking? Since Deere calls it headland, everything else is a misnomer? I think it's possible I've heard the term "headland" but I wouldn't say it's common or the only "correct" term. That was funny. I would bet big money that end rows or turn rows are both far more common.


You would think the same guys who mention JD in their songs would know that. Silly Nashville country artists. Don't they know Deere wrote the book on farming?? How could they be so stupid??

Guess my 81 year old grandfather who put in 50+ crops and is still going, and who calls them turnrows, must be dumb? He still calls a parts run to CaseIH " going to Harvester" too. And everyone here knows what he's talking about..

This is south east of the next town west of me. Every square line you see between fields is normally called a turnrow here. All this land was precision leveled 10-15 years ago. They are used for checking irrigation and turning around hence the name "turnrow". Hard to plant anything but grass on these. Theres literally hundreds of thousands of acres that look just like this around the delta.

Edited by Detroit 2/8/2013 07:40




(image.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments image.jpg (52KB - 343 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 2/8/2013 17:17 (#2884568 - in reply to #2883507)
Subject: RE: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced.



Chebanse, IL.....

Wait...here's another company that calls it "headlands". A company named Ag Leader:

Link is to their checklist pdf:

http://www.agleader.com/docs/QuickRef_EZGuide250.pdf

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 2/8/2013 17:18 (#2884574 - in reply to #2884568)
Subject: RE: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced...& yet another...



Chebanse, IL.....

Another company...Trimble:

http://trl.trimble.com/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-434736/EZ-GuidePlus_UsingTheHeadlandsPattern.htm

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 2/8/2013 17:21 (#2884578 - in reply to #2884574)
Subject: RE: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced...& yet another & another..



Chebanse, IL.....

CNH calls it HEADLAND management, not turnrow management:

http://agriculture.newholland.com/us/en/Products/Agricultural-Tractors/T8/Documents/T8000_brochure_nar.pdf

I'm really sorry I led off w/JD. I should've known that would've caused inverse reactions irregardless of the subject.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 2/8/2013 17:25 (#2884586 - in reply to #2884578)
Subject: RE: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced...& the "limeys" also



Chebanse, IL.....

Here's from UK patent discussion:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1873602.html

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Detroit
Posted 2/8/2013 19:39 (#2884909 - in reply to #2884586)
Subject: RE: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced...& the "limeys" also


Crawfordsville, Arkansas
Ron..NE ILL..10/48 - 2/8/2013 16:25

Here's from UK patent discussion:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1873602.html



Southern slang term for them will always be more popular because of the songs, just the reason why this thread was started. May not be the technical term but in the south it is. That's where I'm from so that's what I will use. I I ever make it up to your part of the world I will be sure to call them headlands. You come down here you are more than welcome to use the local term and fit right in!

All in all good fun. Call em whatever you want. Doesn't matter one bit to me.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 2/8/2013 19:59 (#2884961 - in reply to #2884909)
Subject: RE: Wow. Impressive. Now I'm convinced...& the "limeys" also



Chebanse, IL.....

I agree. I don't really care what people call them in other parts of the world. We get by here calling them whatever was handed down to us also.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
PLO NW MN
Posted 2/8/2013 06:46 (#2883385 - in reply to #2883304)
Subject: +1 for headlands but not because its John Deere terminology



NW MN
We have always used the term headland for the rows or border area of any field where you turn. In row crop headlands used to be 24 or 36 row with 12 row planters. Now 48 or 72 with 24 row planters and some guys going 96 row with 48 row planters.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jon B
Posted 2/8/2013 04:49 (#2883296 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



So you plant your headlands, but not your turnrows?
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Mike SE IL
Posted 2/8/2013 06:54 (#2883400 - in reply to #2883296)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



West Union, Illinois

Jon B - So you plant your headlands, but not your turnrows?
We plant headlands because headlands are the first round made with a moldboard plow.  There is no such thing as turnrows here, so we don't do a thing with them.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Plow79
Posted 2/8/2013 10:17 (#2883884 - in reply to #2883400)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



Chilliwack BC
Mike SE IL - 2/8/2013 03:54

Jon B - So you plant your headlands, but not your turnrows?
We plant headlands because headlands are the first round made with a moldboard plow.  There is no such thing as turnrows here, so we don't do a thing with them.




The first round with a plow is called a crown. Here's the USAPO rule book.

http://www.usapo.org/RulesandProposals/2010%20USAPO%20Contest%20Rul...
Top of the page Bottom of the page
260david437
Posted 2/8/2013 06:51 (#2883395 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


north east IN
I recall years ago when driving west off the Mississippi nobody put end rows on. why?
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Red/Green
Posted 2/8/2013 07:14 (#2883448 - in reply to #2883395)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Elizabethtown,KY
We've always called them end rows here.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
grouly925
Posted 2/8/2013 07:15 (#2883451 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Central Michigan
Headlands here.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
lagosfarms
Posted 2/8/2013 07:22 (#2883466 - in reply to #2883451)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



thumb-michigan
Head lines here. Thats what my Grandma taught me.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
johnny skeptical
Posted 2/8/2013 07:23 (#2883473 - in reply to #2883451)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



n.c.iowa

headlands until some row crop is planted on them ,then end rows.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Sagefarmer
Posted 2/8/2013 07:24 (#2883479 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


North East NC
In NC we call them turn rows because of conventional tillage and we do not always plant around the ends (end rows)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
gene_champ
Posted 2/8/2013 07:49 (#2883540 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


NC Iowa
here we usually plow a field in lands. the ends of the plowed field are then called 'headlands', and are the last plowed when rest of field in done. when planting that field, the rows on the end are called 'end rows'. and are planted first. we do not plant in lands.

when planting, the rows the tractor went down are the 'planter rows'. since this ground is more compacted by the tractor, these are the rows you try to drive on the spraying. the space between planter rows is called 'between planter rows'. some call them guess rows too.
i figured that a turn row was the same as an end row. i must have missed sitting out there out there watching the corn grow. not too late.

Edited by gene_champ 2/8/2013 07:55
Top of the page Bottom of the page
gene_champ
Posted 2/8/2013 08:05 (#2883582 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: RE: What is a 'turn row"


NC Iowa
cornbinder - 2/8/2013 07:00

Boy a guy can get really confused reading all these opinions but I was taught that the first round made with the plow was the headland, and the end of the field where you turn around is the turnrow.


if you are plowing around the field, you can't be plowing in lands too. either you are plowing inside or outside around, or plowing in lands. two different techniques.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
tallgrassneil
Posted 2/8/2013 08:26 (#2883626 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



West Texas
They aren't turn ROWS.... They're turn ROADS, and we DRIVE on them as we'll as turn on them. Those country songs got it all wrong.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Five Lock Boll
Posted 2/8/2013 09:40 (#2883794 - in reply to #2883626)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Northeast Louisiana
+1
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Five Lock Boll
Posted 2/8/2013 08:27 (#2883629 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: It's also where we used to go parking


Northeast Louisiana
Maybe that's where headland came from.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Dave Cen.Ia
Posted 2/8/2013 10:04 (#2883858 - in reply to #2883629)
Subject: RE: It's also where we used to go parking



Nevada, Iowa
Oh boy. This thread could take an abrupt left turn but I won't pour any more fuel on the fire. Ha ha

For the record, we always call them end rows or ends. If I ever told any help to wait for me on the end or cut off the end rows, they always seemed to know what I was talking about. A headland was where we started to plow a land, the opposite of a dead furrow. And no offense to anyone but after working with the original brown box greenstar stuff, you need some headland management.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Dave Cen.Ia
Posted 2/8/2013 10:09 (#2883868 - in reply to #2883858)
Subject: RE: It's also where we used to go parking



Nevada, Iowa
Well, I guess John Deere is right again - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/headland - I am still gonna call it what I want.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Robert W Greif
Posted 2/8/2013 12:42 (#2884134 - in reply to #2883858)
Subject: RE: It's also where we used to go parking



Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463
Plow terms

Dave - "headland was where we started to plow a land"

Robert W Greif - I call the start of a plowing land a Back Furrow.

And as you the finish a Dead Furrow.
What Dad called me after seeing some that I did would not be printable here on NAT.

And Dave, we are less than 50 miles apart.

Edited by Bobby Greif 2/8/2013 12:44




(DSC01534.jpg)



(DSC01539.jpg)



Attachments
----------------
Attachments DSC01534.jpg (41KB - 289 downloads)
Attachments DSC01539.jpg (55KB - 268 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Dave Cen.Ia
Posted 2/8/2013 13:54 (#2884240 - in reply to #2884134)
Subject: RE: It's also where we used to go parking



Nevada, Iowa
He, he! It's just something to talk about all in good fun.

My Grandfather was from the "old country" and I am sure some things got lost in the translation and got passed from one generation to the next.

Plowing was as much a matter of pride as planting (as you well know), unfortunately I never gave the old man much to be proud about in that category, lol. All we could safely say when I finished is that it was "done".

My first "car" was that Chevy pickup you have captured in picture. Mine was a two tone blue, darn good old truck. I always wanted to get a four wheel drive version in later years and fix er up but I have never gotten around to it. Thanks for the memory nudge.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron..NE ILL..10/48
Posted 2/8/2013 18:51 (#2884774 - in reply to #2884134)
Subject: RE: It's also where we used to go parking



Chebanse, IL.....

Bobby
 Same here in NE IL.
Back furrow here also when you struck out a "land". But, maybe that's another whole subject of what you called a specifically sized chunk of ground you plowed while turning in one direction. We usually put about 30-35 "steps" (really debatable!) in a land. Dead furrow when you finished up...but then you were supposed to turn around & come back the opposite direction to fill in that dead furrow.

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Ron (Cen. IL.)
Posted 2/8/2013 19:55 (#2884949 - in reply to #2884774)
Subject: RE: It's also where we used to go parking


Central Illinois


I always thought a headland was when you "laid off a land" and kept turning to the right when you came to the end (plowing clockwise), and a back furrow was when you turned left (plowing counter-clockwise) on the end to finish plowing the area between 2 lands.


We always said ends or endrows.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
boa628
Posted 2/8/2013 16:45 (#2884501 - in reply to #2883629)
Subject: RE: It's also where we used to go parking


SWOH
Now that's funny right there....
Top of the page Bottom of the page
mac4440
Posted 2/8/2013 12:38 (#2884126 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: RE: well...around here....



how about this.............we plant endrows on the headlands........

Edited by mac4440 2/8/2013 12:41
Top of the page Bottom of the page
funfarmr
Posted 2/8/2013 15:00 (#2884326 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Ohio
Headlands here.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
FactoryFarmer
Posted 2/8/2013 16:46 (#2884502 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


N IL
Once again, all these people that sing country music aren't really country and they just kind of make of their own terms......
Top of the page Bottom of the page
clevepreach
Posted 2/8/2013 20:34 (#2885055 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



Cleveland, MS. Own small farm near Booneville, MS
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Mississippi Delta, a "turn row" serves multiple purposes. It is usually something like a berm between two fields. Fields are mostly flat and in some instances the only way to tell you have changed fields is that you crossed the turn row, especially if it also serves as a property line. With a turn row between the fields the same area can be utilized for turning around from either field. Also, the turn rows are a good place to park the truck if the field is in grain or to park the module builder if it is in cotton. Since the turn rows are usually built up like a small levee it is usually dry enough to drive on even when the field is too wet to plow. Turn rows also serve as a levee to hold water for flood irrigation, especially in rice fields. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but during the "share cropper days" multiple share croppers might be allotted acreage in the same field. The turn row allowed access to each share croppers rows without running over another person's crop. For example, IIRC, in half mile long rows, five rows make an acre. So if a share cropper was allotted five acres of cotton he would get 25 rows.
How did it get to be called a "turn row" when it is not planted and has no row on it? I have no earthly idea.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
funfarmr
Posted 2/8/2013 21:06 (#2885129 - in reply to #2883095)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"


Ohio
Like I said in my previous post I've always known them as headlands. But a guy I worked some ground for about 20 miles from me refers to them as end rows. I really don't think it matters what they're called.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
turdypointbuck
Posted 2/9/2013 02:18 (#2885469 - in reply to #2885129)
Subject: Re: What is a 'turn row"



NW Barton County Missouri
Headland, or the end of the field. About every field I got has one......nothing grows by the trees so why plant it? Doesnt matter to me one bit what you call them.....whatever makes your engine run.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread

(Delete cookies)