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East Texas | Ok for the weekly question on my Massey 8680.
Any tips on making this thing cool any better? Have the roof cover off and cleaning everything good and trying to make it drain. Just looking for experience from someone on making it cool better. Living day to day with this thing until I get mad enough to trade it off. Looks like all these cheap rubber seals leak air to me? Also sure seems like dirt leaks around the cab filters, they’re both new. |
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Newfane NY | Put a new belt and pulley on the compressor. Worked wonders on an 8650 we have. |
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South Eastern VA | I have a serious question...are those tractors known for being junk? I’ve never been around any of their products except the little open station utility tractors, they seem to be ok as far as I know. |
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The Internet | They're actually really good tractors, brilliant engine and the best transmission on the market. We had one of the first 8600's and i was a pain but Agco kept the wheels turning. It got traded in for a 8690 when the time came after trying the equivalent tracked Challenger and seeing no increase in performance. That tractor was much more reliable. Then that one was traded in for an 8737 which to my knowledge has been no bother at all. Their biggest issue is they aren't green and yellow. |
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The Internet | I'm pretty sure that there are some updates for the air conditioning. |
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Edited by sonic 9/5/2018 16:43
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East Texas | Yes. They are truly junk. The 8600 series anyhow, there is a reason they are so reasonably priced. Autosteer issues, cab suspension, rear remotes leaking, air condition way under par, electronic operating system on armrest is awful, have been hard fighting starting trouble forever on it, randomly derates power, I know I’m forgetting a lot.
It seems to be good on fuel and the CVT is nice but I don’t see the hype over case or Deere’s IVT, it’s not so much better to put up with the rest of the tractor. Only reason I bought it and own it today is because of the front 3 point and pto for triple mowers. Have a 8520 Deere with 11k hours that my guys will jump in before this one. I’ll be trading it on a magnum or 8R Deere if I can find one with front pto or 3 point. Thought about Fendt but I’m sick of Agco for awhile.
Service for Agco is terrible here to for large frame tractors and big Heston balers have found. |
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NW Iowa | I have found a couple bad compressors and a couple bad condensers and bad evaporators and a bad high temp sensor. Do you have auto air or regular? For your A/c to work properly the system has to function correctly. Liquid to your expansion valve, changing to gas in the evaporator and back to liquid in your condenser. If you don't have gauges hooked up you don't know crap. Watch your hoses for cold or hot spots. Since you have the cab top off, turn on your system and watch it. The compressor should run as much on as off. It has to cycle. If you can't convert it from liquid to gas and back again you will not cool. Did you make sure your turbo air cooler and radiator are clean. Not with air, but a 800- 1000 psi power washer? I get tired of people bashing these that don't know what they are doing. If you haven't been trained or have experience with A/C systems, how do you think you can fix it. Give some real info, so we can help you, and quit bitching. I've been running them for yrs with no problems. But then I'm not a weekend warrior mechanic....
None of the tractor brands are perfect and everything breaks. Case IH has engine o ring problems, JD IVT issues, and so on. These tractors are not as simple as the ones from the 70, 80, and 90's. Used to be if you got it started you didn't even need the alt except at night with lights. Lots of electronics and lots of sensors. Ton's of things that rattle loose. Lots of parts outsourced out of country. Seems everything is throw away. Reman means rework... Some people are harder on things than others. If you buy any of these newer tractors and don't know the history, you could be in for a big surprise. You simply can't beat on or cowboy up them and expect not to have problems. These tractors take real mechanic and diagnostic skills.
It's to the point some people are just going to have to lease them because they are not qualified to work on them.
Edited by Massey1155 9/5/2018 18:50
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East Texas | Lol maybe everyone is bashing them because they’re actually not good machines...? They are poorly constructed, unfinished, and untested firsthand examples of Agco. A tractor this new, low houred, and babied on triple mowers that require half the hp shouldn’t have all these issues. I’ll bitch as much as I want, have you ever attempted to read the excuse of a manual that comes with these things? I’ve managed to keep the AC and emissions systems going on all my other late model tractors and trucks. The system on this terd is in top shape as it could be, everything has been replaced and cleaned over and over and it blows plenty cold and hard, just won’t keep a guy cool from lunch time to dark. I have a late model self propelled sprayer that has twice the hours with about 1/100 the money and down time this thing has cost me, if that puts it in perspective. |
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East Texas | It is a hay cutting machine when running, rides wonderful and outruns all my other tractors on the road.
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Paradise KS | Sounds to me you just wish you had green and dont. You cant judge an entire organization on one piece of equipment. |
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NW Iowa | What yr, how many hrs, what has been done, how many lbs are in the cooling system? Did you add any cans thinking it was low. Overcharge is worse than undercharge. Got to know the lbs in the system
Any updates? You don't give any info other than it's junk and don't work. I believe this is your second post. Did you do the things people recommended in the first post?
But now you say ( it blows plenty cold and hard, just won’t keep a guy cool from lunch time to dark) OK.... Tell him to take his jacket off.... But seriously need info to diagnose.
If you don't like them it is a free country, trade it , sell it, and move on. But don't ask for help with no info and call them junk. Maybe you do have a lemon, they all make them. So far all I know, is you opened the top and cleaned the evaporator. Since its on a mower, I've seen a lot of hay in the fins of radiator that guys think are clean with air and are not.
Do you have the service manual. It's two books, about 12" thick. Pretty much covers everything. The operators manual is just that. Tells you what functions do, and how to operate,nothing more. If you are trying to service it with that, well good luck.
I'd rather help someone who really wants help. Do me a favor and go buy JD and Case IH and tell us how good they are.
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South West Michigan | Is it under warranty yet? Are you certified in HVAC? Have you mentioned anything to your dealer?? |
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Wi | mcinnisfarms - 9/5/2018 16:51
Yes. They are truly junk. The 8600 series anyhow, there is a reason they are so reasonably priced. Autosteer issues, cab suspension, rear remotes leaking, air condition way under par, electronic operating system on armrest is awful, have been hard fighting starting trouble forever on it, randomly derates power, I know I’m forgetting a lot.
It seems to be good on fuel and the CVT is nice but I don’t see the hype over case or Deere’s IVT, it’s not so much better to put up with the rest of the tractor. Only reason I bought it and own it today is because of the front 3 point and pto for triple mowers. Have a 8520 Deere with 11k hours that my guys will jump in before this one. I’ll be trading it on a magnum or 8R Deere if I can find one with front pto or 3 point. Thought about Fendt but I’m sick of Agco for awhile.
Service for Agco is terrible here to for large frame tractors and big Heston balers have found.
X2 on all of those issues.
If you want a tractor for triple mower, buy the Fendt. Everything on one stick is the cats ass for a triple mower. Unless you buy new/Tier 4F, you can't get an 8R with front PTO. A Magnum with Front PTO is a clubby SOB and if you haven't use that CVT much, you should try it before putting a mower on it. I can grow a beard before that thing shuttles. |
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Wi | jfreed - 9/5/2018 20:37
Is it under warranty yet? Are you certified in HVAC? Have you mentioned anything to your dealer??
Certified? Lol, it's an open book test, anyone can pass it. |
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Dallas, South Dakota | I agree that all Massey and Agco stuff is junk. I love it when I hear this. Now just drill that into everyone’s head so that I can still keep buying the best made and most reliable equipment for a fraction of that green magic paint. Massey and Agco serves me very well and I don’t need to follow the bandwagon. |
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southeast Washington | Put a piece of thin foam insulation on the top of the cab makes a big difference make sure its all clean. The filters have a latch that should be adjusted to hold the filter in tight and some times the nuts come loose and the filter leaks. There are a lot of these tractors running here in steep hills pulling balers and stackers at high speed. They are holding up very well. They get the power to the ground and pull. |
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| I have had lots of problems with my Agco. Most of them were caused by a bad ground cable from the factory. Things like not starting, quitting, front wheel drive staying on.( clutch welded itself solid, my theory is stray voltage when starting due to bad ground}. lights flickering etc. I do think the Air conditioner us under sized for that much glass on a hot day. Close to 3,000 hours now and not a thing wrong with it that wasn't wrong with it when it was new. Other than that I like the tractor.
Rides good, Starts good, Good on fuel. |
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WI | SpringBrookFarm - 9/5/2018 19:31
You cant judge an entire organization on one piece of equipment.
Why not, everyone else does on NAT.
Just read the posts where someone buys used and abused.
They bash the company to the bitter end.
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NW Iowa | They are not perfect by any means. They have their gremlins. Not a fan of the cab susp, and the A/C if not working perfect will not freeze you out of the cab. The 500D series does not have the problems with the A/C. But they are rougher riding and you can't get 300hp out of them. Tinting the windows if you live down south will really help. It is a big cab with lots of glass. That being said, where else can you buy a 320-375 hp tractor with 300- 1000hrs for 70 to 100,000. The high speed (34 mph)front susp CVT is the best thing going. Hauling 1350 bu to town 34 mph is getting something done. I row crop with one 645D set at 325 hp by myself on 700 acres. I run trimble auto guide and have had zero problems after replacing the faulty wheel sensor they came out with. I have also seen quite a few of these with 6000-9000hrs on the internet. So somebody is putting hrs on them. I have the service manual and there is very little I can't diagnosis and fix by myself. I have seen faulty software cause a few problems. What hurts Agco more than anything is they don't get the customers gremlins or problems figured out and they trade it. Then the next guy fights it.
I make sure to keep the electronics tight and under the cab clean. I service the whole tractor once a yr or 400 hrs. The cheapest $500 you can spend. If the batteries are getting old and weak just replace them. The newer tractors rely completely on those two batteries. The more particular you can be with the tractor the better it will hold up. If you want to beat on them and not maintain them go buy some of the 80's and 90's tractors and run them .They don't have all the electronics and tight tolerances. But you won't get the acres/hr for the comfort.
That being said, they don't make anything that doesn't break. The old saying if it has t*** and tires it will cause you trouble....
Edited by Massey1155 9/6/2018 07:43
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NEIA | There are updates for the cooling problem. Go see your dealer about them. Agco was fixing them for free. If you never asked it wouldn't get done. I can see by your side panels that these updates were never done. |
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South West Michigan | durallymax - 9/5/2018 22:48 jfreed - 9/5/2018 20:37 Is it under warranty yet? Are you certified in HVAC? Have you mentioned anything to your dealer?? Certified? Lol, it's an open book test, anyone can pass it.
Is AGCO affiliated with Fendt?? |
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Wi | jfreed - 9/6/2018 19:51
durallymax - 9/5/2018 22:48 jfreed - 9/5/2018 20:37 Is it under warranty yet? Are you certified in HVAC? Have you mentioned anything to your dealer?? Certified? Lol, it's an open book test, anyone can pass it. Is AGCO affiliated with Fendt??
Yes why? |
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Bovina, TX | Noticed you have a John Deere GPS on it. How is that running? Through the isobus or on the steering wheel? What kind of trouble has that given? Thanks. |
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Typical Massey/Agco Junk, help please.
