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peterbilt379
Posted 7/31/2018 21:35 (#6904431)
Subject: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


We currently run a couple 8820 john deeres. We are thinking we want to upgrade to either a 9770 or a case of the same size. We know nothing about case so what is a comparable size machine to the 9770? Next what are the pros and cons of each machine? And last which one do you think will last the longest with maintance? Thanks
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gthompson97
Posted 7/31/2018 21:43 (#6904454 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



NE ND
A 7010 power wise would be closest, a 7120 of the same years but then you’re getting into a bigger machine. I’m bias Red so I can’t comment on a Deere longevity but lots of both red and green around here and everyone seems to be happy with both.
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codydfarms
Posted 7/31/2018 21:44 (#6904464 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


7230 Will likely be the closest match, 7120 a little light on power, the 7240 a little heavier on power, you will have better sieve area on the red machine, easier adjustments (concave swap etc) and clean outs with the red, that being said the 9770 is one of the best deere combines available and typically highly sought after for a lower hr. well cared for example
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illinifarmer1
Posted 7/31/2018 21:47 (#6904473 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Illinois
This should be an entertaining post. I am a Deere guy, the 9770 is a great combine overall, the biggest weak spot is the 9 liter engine being pushed to crank out about 400 hp. That is why there is the cylinder liner issue. The vertical unloading auger fails about every 700 hours. Short term you would probably be happy with the Deere until your 9 liter buddy quits, then its $25k for a Deere Reman. I have neighbors running the Case IH combines, long term they appear easier and cheaper to maintain than a Deere with high hours. That is how it works here.

Edited by illinifarmer1 7/31/2018 21:56
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Fred
Posted 7/31/2018 21:48 (#6904479 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


south east SD
They both are good machines, go with the service and then price. Ask a neighbor about the service they get. It's a long jump to make but well worth it!
Good Luck
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Cliff SEIA
Posted 7/31/2018 21:54 (#6904495 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


A 9770 or 7230/8120 are both very solid machines. The 9770 might have a bit more capacity in tough beans and the red combine will have more cleaning capacity in corn but eith one will be close to twice the machine an 8820 is. If your in hills the Case IH will have a better self leveling sieve system.

Edited by Cliff SEIA 7/31/2018 21:56
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Claas740
Posted 7/31/2018 22:02 (#6904510 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


I would look at a Claas. Doesn’t cost anything to look around. Claas not Case
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olwhda
Posted 7/31/2018 22:12 (#6904534 - in reply to #6904510)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Liberty, MO
How about Gleaner, worth a look.
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peterbilt379
Posted 7/31/2018 22:15 (#6904542 - in reply to #6904510)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Idk about claas those are lexions right? A salesman told me they are one heck of a combine but you cant keep them out of the shop.
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packerfan
Posted 7/31/2018 22:36 (#6904593 - in reply to #6904542)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Western illinois
That is how it was around here. There used to be a few in the area, but I don't recall any of them getting another one. I had neighbor's that owned one. I never saw it run in the field. It was always sitting with the sides open.
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Big Ben
Posted 7/31/2018 22:37 (#6904596 - in reply to #6904542)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA
peterbilt379 - 7/31/2018 20:15

Idk about claas those are lexions right? A salesman told me they are one heck of a combine but you cant keep them out of the shop.


Let me guess, not a Claas salesman?

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packerfan
Posted 7/31/2018 22:42 (#6904607 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Western illinois
I've only ever ran one green machine of that era and the damn gear noise when unloading the hopper would be enough to make me trade for something else. I honestly don't know how you guys can listen to that all the time in corn. My personal opinion is that the red combine is superior, but the green heads are better. At least when comparing platforms. Case finally has a corn head, supposedly. I run a Macdon and a Geringhoff for a reason.
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cottonhauler
Posted 7/31/2018 23:14 (#6904664 - in reply to #6904607)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Zabcikville, TX
Ok, I'm biased. BUT! It's CaseIH. Not case! Case had absolutely NOTHING to do with the design, build or marketing of the axial-flow. Hell, case wasn't even building combines, or much of anything else other than tractors in '84. That being said, we run a JD 9870. Our 3rd season on a low houred 2009 model (just flipped 1100 sep hours). It has been a VERY reliable machine. No major breakdowns. Sure, we've had some downtime for small stuff, but it has been a great machine. I am red through and through, and really have no experience with the red machines past the 23 series, there's just not any around here. I can't speak for the 9770's, but our 9870 has performed well above our expectations. Go with the original, not a copy.
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SWFarmService
Posted 7/31/2018 23:59 (#6904703 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Color war! Ha!
Heck I'll get this party started!

If your looking for something in the class seven world there is two other combines I would compare to if your using a 9770 as a benchmark.

9770 John Deere (benchmark)
7088 Case IH, heritage, NO flagship
S77 Gleaner, if you have a good supporting store.

If you would like me to elaborate why I use these as comparisons quote me and I will give you my reasons.
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DevinF
Posted 8/1/2018 00:21 (#6904711 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



Nwmo
We had this discussion the other day and everyone said I had a lemon, but my 9770 at 2000 sep hours is a money pit. I'm ready to let someone else own the combine in our operation. Just to give you an idea of the problems you get to look forward to, leaking wheel motors, rebuild for 10k or buy reman for 19k, hope and pray its not chewed up inside and already sent metal throughout the rest of the hydrostat.

If you buy a deere, before you sign the papers, buy as much power guard warranty as you can no matter how much it costs. I can guarantee it will be cheaper than repairs down the road and it will most likely pay for itself within the first season of ownership.



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GM Guy
Posted 8/1/2018 00:26 (#6904714 - in reply to #6904510)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


NW KS/ SC ID
Claas740 - 7/31/2018 21:02

I would look at a Claas. Doesn’t cost anything to look around. Claas not Case


Of course a Gleaner is my first choice, but I would choose a Claas over a CIH or JD. As far as I am concerned, CNH and JD are the Navistar and Freightliner of farm equipment. Both are the top two in sales of their industries, but there are better choices out there.

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GM Guy
Posted 8/1/2018 00:38 (#6904715 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


NW KS/ SC ID
peterbilt379 - 7/31/2018 20:35

We currently run a couple 8820 john deeres. We are thinking we want to upgrade to either a 9770 or a case of the same size. We know nothing about case so what is a comparable size machine to the 9770? Next what are the pros and cons of each machine? And last which one do you think will last the longest with maintance? Thanks


Considering you have 8820s, its obvious you keep a machine a long time. In the first 1000 hours no one color is going to come out head and shoulders above, but when you start getting more and more hours on, the design of the machine becomes a bigger and bigger factor to the cost per acre.

Take a look at a Gleaner and note how few gearboxes and hydraulic motors it has. That is big money right there if/when one goes down on you. Engine gearcase? Nope. transition cone? Nada. Overall they cost less to rebuild and maintain than other colors, all the while doing it on less fuel. I talked to a guy who switched from a 9770 to a S77 Gleaner and he says the acres/hr figure was the same, but the GPA of fuel consumption went from 18-20 with the Deere to 12-14 with the Gleaner.

Watch this video describing maintenance and upkeep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZMs_y6d4YU
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mschultz
Posted 8/1/2018 01:50 (#6904725 - in reply to #6904473)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Oregon
False. The cylinder liner issue has to do with an incorrect assembly specification. If the 9.0 were rated at only 200HP in the 9770, the cylinder liner height would still be incorrect in certain serial number motors.


-Mike
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westin_ar
Posted 8/1/2018 02:53 (#6904732 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



E.C. IL
It would be tough to leave the service we get from our Deere dealer. Right or wrong, that’s pretty much why we run all green.
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packerfan
Posted 8/1/2018 05:37 (#6904758 - in reply to #6904664)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Western illinois
Ok so it's CaseIh, whatever. I don't follow your comment about "go with the original". You've just given your green machine a good review, but then you made that last comment. Which, obviously would mean you recommend a red one.
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thefarmers
Posted 8/1/2018 06:33 (#6904810 - in reply to #6904715)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


We ran a 2166 to 5300 something engine hrs, think It was around 4000 sep. hours. We never had a problem with any of the gearboxes, so that wouldn't worry me.
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cottonhauler
Posted 8/1/2018 06:42 (#6904820 - in reply to #6904810)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Zabcikville, TX
What I meant to convey was, can't say much bad about the Deere we run, it's a good machine. But if I were buying, it'd be a CaseIH.
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hillfarmer
Posted 8/1/2018 07:10 (#6904891 - in reply to #6904732)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



westin_ar - 8/1/2018 03:53

It would be tough to leave the service we get from our Deere dealer. Right or wrong, that’s pretty much why we run all green.


But if you had Red, the dealer would not be that important LOL
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peterbilt379
Posted 8/1/2018 07:13 (#6904895 - in reply to #6904732)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


It was a claas saleman that told me they spend more time in the shop then they do in the field.
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Itchy
Posted 8/1/2018 07:38 (#6904976 - in reply to #6904715)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


SW Iowa

Since the Gleaners have so many fewer parts, belts, and weigh so much less than a Deere, then why is the price not 1/2 to 2/3rds of what a Deere cost?
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Badger
Posted 8/1/2018 08:06 (#6905047 - in reply to #6904891)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Huntley Montana

I'm ready to go Green because of Parts.  Like the CIH Combine, but Parts is a PROBLEM.  Order & WAIT.  They bring in the HARVEST truck so they don't stock boo,,,,, But to get it off the harvest truck it's 10% extra & AIR FREIGHT to restock..  I could live with the 10% ,, But Add Air freight is a SLAP.    I've had a spreader fan on order  6 days now ,  No Idea when I'll see it.   

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easymoney
Posted 8/1/2018 08:12 (#6905057 - in reply to #6905047)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


ecmn
If I was going to be a single rotor guy I would look at the Massey or Challenger combine. Looks a lot cleaner and more simple than Case IH or John Deere. And the guys that have them absolutely love them.
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ohio474
Posted 8/1/2018 08:31 (#6905106 - in reply to #6904895)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


north east ohio in the snow belt Ashtabula co
War over Get a Gleaner.



It is what it is. That's all I got to say about that.
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westin_ar
Posted 8/1/2018 08:34 (#6905113 - in reply to #6904891)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



E.C. IL
hillfarmer - 8/1/2018 07:10

westin_ar - 8/1/2018 03:53

It would be tough to leave the service we get from our Deere dealer. Right or wrong, that’s pretty much why we run all green.


But if you had Red, the dealer would not be that important LOL


Can you get me that guaranteed in writing? Then I’ll change in a heartbeat LOL
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dvswia
Posted 8/1/2018 10:39 (#6905339 - in reply to #6905057)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


sw corner ia.
I think they are a great design too, but to own one you would have to stock your own parts which would be a monster expense. if several guys got one and then became their own depot it might work..now we are back to the little hole in the wall dealer thing again..
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illinifarmer1
Posted 8/1/2018 11:02 (#6905369 - in reply to #6904725)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Illinois
mschultz - 8/1/2018 01:50

The cylinder liner issue has to do with an incorrect assembly specification. If the 9.0 were rated at only 200HP in the 9770, the cylinder liner height would still be incorrect in certain serial number motors.


-Mike


Concerning the cylinder liner issue; The JD service manager explained the problem to me while sitting in his office while our 9770 was receiving a new $25,000 reman engine. I made a comment that the 9 liter must be a problematic engine, his reply was that the 9 liter is a very good engine in lower hp applications. He went on to explain the different tractor models that the 9 liter is used in and that they have had very few problems in those applications. The problem he continued, is when Deere took the engine to design limits that they began having head gasket failures. The problem is the stress applied to the head gasket due to high internal cylinder pressure and temperatures. Anytime your making 400 hp with the same engine block and cubic inches as one producing 200 hp there is going to be a lot more pressure and heat within the cylinder chamber forcing that piston downward. Lower hp applications the cylinder head gasket isn't subjected to the extreme conditions and has shown to hold up under the initial cylinder liner specs. Anytime you run an engine at 100 percent its limit vs operating one at 50 percent the one at 100 percent will typically fail sooner. Its been awhile but it seems that the initial cylinder liner spec. was .005 above the block, and the new spec is .009 above the block plus they made an improvement to the head gasket.

Edited by illinifarmer1 8/1/2018 20:24
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GM Guy
Posted 8/1/2018 12:03 (#6905462 - in reply to #6904810)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


NW KS/ SC ID
thefarmers - 8/1/2018 05:33

We ran a 2166 to 5300 something engine hrs, think It was around 4000 sep. hours. We never had a problem with any of the gearboxes, so that wouldn't worry me.


Its all about the care when you have a machine laden with gearboxes. We have a friend with a 2002 2388 and about the only gearbox untouched was the transmission, and that went out last year.

That thing has been a money pit. rotor gearbox, engine gearcase, etc. I think he got a machine that the previous owner didnt take care of.

Buying used, previous owner care is always a concern. with a red or green neglect can become a huge expense. Gleaner? if you let a belt get too nasty it might break, and it might try to catch a bracket and bend it. Way cheaper to deal with neglect when its just belts and pulleys. We all remember the stories of the MUD yearly rollover machines that still had paint on fittings that should have been hit weekly.
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dgramenz
Posted 8/1/2018 12:13 (#6905481 - in reply to #6904715)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



SW Illinois
We’ve been running flagships for years and have yet to have a gearbox or hydraulic motor cause an issue. I’ll take them any day over a bunch of belts and idlers to adjust and maintain.
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plumcreekfarm
Posted 8/1/2018 12:50 (#6905555 - in reply to #6904976)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



ECMS
It is I believe when you try to trade.
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The Pretender
Posted 8/1/2018 16:55 (#6905837 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: Claas


The Internet

Last week I was called in to help the new owner of the farm I work on cut the oil seed rape. He has just taken delivery of a 2018 John Deere 780i and I was on our 2014 Claas Lexion 660. The John Deere is quite a lot bigger capacity-wise than the Claas.  

Now, I've not cut rape for over 20 years and certainly not cut any with a Claas, but the Claas was doing a far better job than the Deere. The head on he Deere just went over the top of any crop that was leaning where as the Claas was peeling it all up off he floor. When it did get into the machine, the Deere's chopper was poor at best with many of the stalks going right through the machine in one piece where the Claas was doing a very good job of shredding and spreading the residue.

The JD has a good 150hp more than the Claas and pushing another 2 and a half meters of head but it didn't appear to have significantly more capacity especially because I wasn't pushing the Claas hard at all, a more experienced Claas operator would have got more out of mine and I suspect a Claas rotor with similar power would have pulled its pants down and smacked its arse.

Any capacity advantage it did have was cancelled out by being stood broke down for a total of 6 hours with 2 breakdowns. Oddly enough, a farm nearby also has a new 780i which as exactly the same issues. Our Claas hasn't been stood that long in all of the time we've had i since it was new.

The John Deere takes a picture of the returns and displays it on a screen in the cab, the Claas just has a window over the returns auger which takes about 10 seconds to wipe every now and then.

No matter how good the service is from Deere, it won't be as good as Claas is here and I put it to you that the 780i is a poor machine.

 

I won't mention how their 7930 had been away for major transmission surgery so one of our Masseys was drafted in to help haulage duties.

 

 

 

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The Pretender
Posted 8/1/2018 16:58 (#6905843 - in reply to #6904895)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


The Internet

I've been working with Claas Lexions on this farm since 2002 when I started here, aside from an engine issue with a CAT engine I doubt we've lost 5 hours harvesting in that time. Claas are very reliable machines. 

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kingjeff1974
Posted 8/1/2018 18:56 (#6906023 - in reply to #6904714)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


eastern shore maryland
GM Guy - 8/1/2018 00:26

Claas740 - 7/31/2018 21:02

I would look at a Claas. Doesn’t cost anything to look around. Claas not Case


Of course a Gleaner is my first choice, but I would choose a Claas over a CIH or JD. As far as I am concerned, CNH and JD are the Navistar and Freightliner of farm equipment. Both are the top two in sales of their industries, but there are better choices out there.





under this logic one would assume that a Gleaner or a Claas would have resale value like a W900 KW or 379 Pete how ever that is not the case where I am at anyways
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kingjeff1974
Posted 8/1/2018 18:58 (#6906031 - in reply to #6904976)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


eastern shore maryland
Itchy - 8/1/2018 07:38


Since the Gleaners have so many fewer parts, belts, and weigh so much less than a Deere, then why is the price not 1/2 to 2/3rds of what a Deere cost?


^ what he said
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cottonhauler
Posted 8/1/2018 20:49 (#6906255 - in reply to #6906031)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Zabcikville, TX
He didn't ask anything about a silver, or either yellow machine. He asked about a GREEN one compared to a RED one! Some of you guys have totally missed the point of his post. I read it as red vs. green, NOT green vs. red vs. yellow vs. darker yellow vs. silver. Stick to the question asked......

Edited by cottonhauler 8/1/2018 20:50
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smokesgasman
Posted 8/1/2018 21:10 (#6906309 - in reply to #6904542)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


so.wisconsin
Our 3yr old 900hr 740 tt Lexion with close to 1millon bu harvested has had 1steel oil line,dust diverter belt toand the variable speed plastic bushings replaced annually (as suggested ) honestly we have spent more on filters than breakdowns! While pushing a 12-30 chopping head in 260+ irrigated corn
We were down for 3 days waiting for an oil line to get here from over sea’s wich was covered and since was made a rolling change to a hydraulic hose du to feeder house vibration
Only complaint is leg room

Smoke
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potatofarmer
Posted 8/1/2018 21:10 (#6906311 - in reply to #6905837)
Subject: RE: Claas


"Famous Potatoes"
What did any of that senseless rambling have to do with the OPs question about a 9770 or similar red machine?

To the OP. I've had both red and green from the 9770 era. Personally i would choose the Deere. It was much more reliable for me. It's hard to beat a 70 series. However, they are both great machines. Make your decision based on dealer support.
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pbutler
Posted 8/2/2018 15:28 (#6907535 - in reply to #6904431)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war



Macon, IL
Both make good machines, both break down. Dealer support I would think would be a big issue if one local and one not.
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ricb
Posted 8/2/2018 19:56 (#6907872 - in reply to #6904714)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


Puckerville Dead center N.Y.
Oh geeze. You guys upset all the deere haters and the case/ih bashers by not including their favorite irrelevant color in the discussion. Interesting how the same guys give the same unwanted advice on every machinery topic.
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GM Guy
Posted 8/3/2018 10:53 (#6908842 - in reply to #6906023)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


NW KS/ SC ID
kingjeff1974 - 8/1/2018 17:56

GM Guy - 8/1/2018 00:26

Claas740 - 7/31/2018 21:02

I would look at a Claas. Doesn’t cost anything to look around. Claas not Case


Of course a Gleaner is my first choice, but I would choose a Claas over a CIH or JD. As far as I am concerned, CNH and JD are the Navistar and Freightliner of farm equipment. Both are the top two in sales of their industries, but there are better choices out there.





under this logic one would assume that a Gleaner or a Claas would have resale value like a W900 KW or 379 Pete how ever that is not the case where I am at anyways


02 2388 brough 9K and a 94 R72 brought 18K within about 100 miles of each other "here" R72 was lower houred but processor was shot, needed bars, rolls, augers, etc.
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GM Guy
Posted 8/3/2018 11:00 (#6908856 - in reply to #6906255)
Subject: RE: 9770 combine vs case combine of the same color lets start a color war


NW KS/ SC ID
cottonhauler - 8/1/2018 19:49

He didn't ask anything about a silver, or either yellow machine. He asked about a GREEN one compared to a RED one! Some of you guys have totally missed the point of his post. I read it as red vs. green, NOT green vs. red vs. yellow vs. darker yellow vs. silver. Stick to the question asked......


I read war. There are few rules in war. :)
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Stout Farms
Posted 8/3/2018 14:26 (#6909153 - in reply to #6905837)
Subject: RE: Claas



The Pretender - 8/1/2018 17:55

Last week I was called in to help the new owner of the farm I work on cut the oil seed rape. He has just taken delivery of a 2018 John Deere 780i and I was on our 2014 Claas Lexion 660. The John Deere is quite a lot bigger capacity-wise than the Claas.  

Now, I've not cut rape for over 20 years and certainly not cut any with a Claas, but the Claas was doing a far better job than the Deere. The head on he Deere just went over the top of any crop that was leaning where as the Claas was peeling it all up off he floor. When it did get into the machine, the Deere's chopper was poor at best with many of the stalks going right through the machine in one piece where the Claas was doing a very good job of shredding and spreading the residue.

The JD has a good 150hp more than the Claas and pushing another 2 and a half meters of head but it didn't appear to have significantly more capacity especially because I wasn't pushing the Claas hard at all, a more experienced Claas operator would have got more out of mine and I suspect a Claas rotor with similar power would have pulled its pants down and smacked its arse.

Any capacity advantage it did have was cancelled out by being stood broke down for a total of 6 hours with 2 breakdowns. Oddly enough, a farm nearby also has a new 780i which as exactly the same issues. Our Claas hasn't been stood that long in all of the time we've had i since it was new.

The John Deere takes a picture of the returns and displays it on a screen in the cab, the Claas just has a window over the returns auger which takes about 10 seconds to wipe every now and then.

No matter how good the service is from Deere, it won't be as good as Claas is here and I put it to you that the 780i is a poor machine.

 

I won't mention how their 7930 had been away for major transmission surgery so one of our Masseys was drafted in to help haulage duties.

 

 

 



Should've got a 4020 to do that, since I remembering you *itching about it a while ago
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