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Lancaster County, Pa. | This past Saturday was the county 4H beef/ dairy beef show. I finish some cattle but I've never been any good at livestock judging. Anyhow, the judge kept refering to various steers as "soggy". As in, "This steer at the top of the class is a soggy kind of a steer....yada yada yada". It generally seemed like a good thing if your steer was soggy. Based on the looks on people's faces I wasn't the only one that had no clue what she was saying. So, what is a soggy steer?
I do know this, if I sent my packer a load of the 1100# fluff balls that could hardly walk that seemed to top the classes he'd probably not buy cattle from me again. |
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SE SD | Deep bodie, big belly easy feeder.
But what do I know....not a judge nor do I care for fluffycows:) |
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Oklahoma | Some of the new terminology is funny. Instead of saying big boned or big footed etc he called a boar sasquach legged. Hahaha
As far as soggy i would guess another way of saying deep bodied, bolder ribbed, deeper flanked etc. Although she could also be talking about condition. Maybe the more soggy steers where more correctly finished or slightly over finished. |
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NW Ohio | Soggy is just referring to depth of body. He may be hinting that soggy is also indicating that the calf is easy keeping, well balanced. Seems odd in a market class but to each there own. Most of these show calves need 45 days of hard feed to get rid of that "soggy" middle to have a snowballs chance of dressing over 58%. |
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Northeast Iowa | I was told by a breeder 20 years ago that my preference was for soggy animals, so it's not a new term. The descriptions above fit it well -- deep-bodied, easy-fleshing. Doesn't have anything to do with hair, really. Maybe these pictures will help define it better.
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SE Manitoba | Like the first one - - - you can keep the second one.
The air under the belly don't pay the bills in the #'s that pay the bills.
I don't want the 1950's butterballs but that 1st one - - - like him a lot! |
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North Mo. | like the first one also just lose the hair by genetics |
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western colorado | I don't think either one is worth looking at. The second one if he had about 120 days more feed has great potential. |
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SE Manitoba | Q500 - 7/30/2018 18:01
I don't think either one is worth looking at. The second one if he had about 120 days more feed has great potential.
I'm using the 10: 2: 1 rule where 10 is for maternal, can't remember the 2 and 1 is for feeding traits.
So I'm making my money converting grass into beef so I have different needs than you do but with cows that have that much size - - - I can't afford them! |
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Southern kansas | Too fat.
Now days at the county fair I never seen so many heavy over finished steers.
Glad to hear a judge called it out.
Doesn't have anything to do with body type.
Edited by Scottjoe 7/30/2018 18:45
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northwest tennessee | Yes I always thought soggy was a fat not well muscled calf. Like most kids now. |
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sc ia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0fqqDVDwN4 |
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North Central Texas | In the steer judging world, you get 2 kinds of judges. Either a flavor of the year show steer type or an industry focused feedlot type. Feedlot types are the best because they tick everyone off. That was my style. Like the pics rfi had, both have problems but they are pictures.
First steer is soggy and overfinished. It's weight is light and isn't what industry wants. He will go a yeild grade 3 or more. The second steer needs more feed. Might make select now but another 90 or 120 on a good corn ration will improve him a bunch.
Soggy in my generation was always considered over finished and a yield grade of 3 or better. |
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Indian Territory |
Soggy middle with excess tallow laid over the ribs. The current steer trend depending where you are at in the U.S.
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sc ia | ntexcotton - 7/30/2018 20:49
In the steer judging world, you get 2 kinds of judges. Either a flavor of the year show steer type or an industry focused feedlot type. Feedlot types are the best because they tick everyone off. That was my style. Like the pics rfi had, both have problems but they are pictures.
First steer is soggy and overfinished. It's weight is light and isn't what industry wants. He will go a yeild grade 3 or more. The second steer needs more feed. Might make select now but another 90 or 120 on a good corn ration will improve him a bunch.
Soggy in my generation was always considered over finished and a yield grade of 3 or better.
That first steer RFI90 showed sure has a helluva set of nuts. I don't think garvo would approve. |
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Northeast Iowa | I pulled both pictures off Google Images. Shrunk one down enough to eliminate the breed sign from that particular show, so as not to offend those breeders.
The breeder I mentioned wasn't talking steers. We were talking cow types, so "finish" didn't play into it. Think of a grizzly bear headed into winter vs. a cheetah. You could bounce a quarter off almost anywhere on the un-soggy cheetah, and you could sink at least a knuckle or two into most areas of the soggy bear. Based on the animals of this breeder I preferred, he said "you like 'em soggy."
Or think about an aerial view if you're looking down at them from the sale barn catwalk. The soggy animals will have wider lines at the mid-section and generally more curves when looking directly down from above. The unsoggy ones will look like the market hog pictures from 30 years ago -- almost a perfect rectangle.
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Atlantic, Iowa | Deep bodied, easier fleshing kind.
In other words, not one of those no gut, hard doing MA or CC types.
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North Central Texas | It all works good till you put you hand on them. Then you put your hand on them in places you aren't suppose too. |
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Lancaster County, Pa. | I think this judge was using soggy in the wide, deep bodied, easy keeper sense. Although the too much finish not enough muscle definition would make more sense to me.
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Northcenteral Iowa | My daughters heifer that won her class at the National Junior Angus Show is soggy.
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Southern kansas | You got the over the back hog look correct. |
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| Yes sir JLR that is exactly my definition of soggy. Super nice heifer by the way. Looks like your daughter has got it figured out as well. Congrats. |
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Northcenteral Iowa | Thank you very much! This was her heifers very first outing and my daughter’s third time to step foot in an arena so we consider it a huge success. |
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SC. KS | Q500 - 7/30/2018 18:01
I don't think either one is worth looking at. The second one if he had about 120 days more feed has great potential.
How much weight would he gain after 120 days?
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western colorado | A lot! lol If things are right a minimum of 3.5 up to 4.2 he is still pretty gant when compared to real finished cattle. He should weigh 1450-1600 finished. Thats what those big framy steers do. VS the little hairy bastard that is finished at 1100. |
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western colorado | Thats a decent looking hfr. IMO a little short and thick legged. You have to remember that typical fats are up around 1450. To get there they are bigger animals. What does that hfr weigh? 1275? With an almost perfect finish. |
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Cattle judging terminology. What's a "soggy " steer?
