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| I need to update my tractor. I found an 8410 with 5900 hours, overall good condition, 2001, for $60K, in another state. 8420 is also good condition, 5100 hours, asking $87,500, 2004. Both have 3 point and working pto, decent tires. Neither have GPS receivers. Neither are with John Deere dealers, just equipment resellers.
Should I be concerned about the hours? I do not want the expense of an overhaul. Is there a way of knowing for sure the hour meter was not tampered with? I had a bad experience with a truck that had an overhaul, and one month later I was overhauling a CAT C-15 for $26,000. It left a bad taste in my mouth. It still lingers sometimes...
I looked for signs of abuse, but both tractors appear well maintained, good paint, no excessive wear or rough looking appearance.
Do they seem fairly priced? I need good value for my money, and good performance, like the rest of you.
The 8410 is 995 miles away, will likely spend $8k getting it to me, so costing $68,000. The 8420 is 200 miles away, so no additional cost, or trouble getting it to my farm.
That is still $19,500 for 800 hours difference. The 8420 seems a bit overpriced in my comparison. At $20 per hour, $16,000 for the difference in hours, $3500 too high.
I have not had to rely on older, higher hour tractors, until now, and do not want to make a mistake. I can also buy a 8320 with 3350 hours, also very good condition, a 2005 model, for $110k, 90 miles away, from a John Deere dealer in Nebraska. I have been leaning toward what I perceive as lower risk, buying the newer 8320, and have dealer support, whatever that means these days.
Would prefer the higher horsepower of the 8410 or 8420, to plant no till, and use vertical tillage, as both demand high HP. Also want performance and value for my money, which attracts me to the 8410.
Very interested in your thoughts. |
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Michigan | 8410's are awesome tractors. The 10 series deere's are probably the best tractors they ever built. I would buy the 8410 just because I like them, but the 8420 is good also. If its going to cost you 8k to have it delivered I would be looking for another trucker. I buy equipment all over the US and the most I ever spent was 1800 on a piece that was 2k miles from home. They typically get 1 to 2 bucks a mile. Some just like to try to rip you off. |
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West Union, IOWA FLOLO Farm 52175 | $8000 to haul 1000 miles?
I think you better shop around .....for a trucker |
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Northern CA | I don't own green tractors, but if I did, it would be the 8410. First off, the freight rate is rediculous. 2nd, the 20 series jokes like to crack, but do offer better access underneath them. You are giving $3500 as if being out of line on price, but no bonus for a new year and model.
Any used piece of equipment can go south, so can new ones right out of warranty. Again, I am not a JD guy, but there are threads that talk about ways to verify the hours. I would buy th 8410 if everything is legitimate. |
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WNY | We have almost the identical tractors you mentioned, an 8310 with 14k+ hours and an 8420 with 7500, never been into either engine. Only had small stuff for repairs, axle seals, water pumps, exhaust manifold bolts, ect. 8310 had a tranny clutch pack go out of it but was only due too operator abuse. They are both great tractors, plenty of power, you can notice a big difference between the two though, the 8420 pulls like a pissed off bull.
I'll second what has already been said, the 10 series might be the best tractor Deere ever built. |
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western iowa,by Denison | we run 2 8400,1 8410 and 1 8520-the 8400 are the cheapest to run but the 8520 has ils-you need to drive a ils front end first-that is a amazing upgrade-8410 is not as snappy as the 8400's but has more power-the 8520 has more power but not as snappy as 8410 and does lot better job of pulling-mainly because of the ils-if the 8420 has ils -no brainer-otherwise a 8400-to a 8420 equipped same no big difference
If I was buying today I would look for a ils front end tractor-it would trump everything else
most 8520 tractors come with ils-Plains equipment,Seward Neb has a nice 8520 coming in-really worth a look
Edited by garvo 6/17/2018 07:06
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Texas | Everyone wanted 10$ a mile to haul the 4366 .
Friend hauled it for 5$ a mile , no way I could get anything hauled for 1-2$
A mile . That’s cheap dry van freight. |
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Croswell, Michigan | Maybe tell us the names of the dealers? Someone who lives close to them may be able to tell you the local reputation that the dealer has.
Around here there are a couple of jockeys that I would buy from with confidence and others that if their lips were moving I would know they were lying to me.
Edited by John e.c.MI 6/17/2018 07:04
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Huntley Montana | I own both a 8410, & a 8420. 8410 has 6000 hrs, 8420 has 8000 hrs. My 8410 & 8520 pull together, & I think will out pull my IVT 8320Rs. The only reason I don't want another 8410 is ROAD SPEED. the 20s have 3-4 mph on the 00s & 10s. The 8420 I own was a abused mule from a Idaho dairy, I bought with 7000 hrs. It's tied to a PRO-AG 16K stacker & gets the LL ran out of it all summer, lotta roading. Looking for another 8x20/30 for the same use. Trucking can get done for less than $3. a mile if you have time. $5 if someone has to deadhead to get it. The only reason someone is quoting $10 a mile is the do not want to do it. |
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Eastern Shore of MD | We have a 10 and had a 20 but traded it on a 8430. 20 has a little longer wheelbase and did not seem to be as manuverable. Neither had ILS. No major problems with either.
Edited by MD GenX 6/17/2018 08:03
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| The normal rate on a wide load tractor would be $4 a running mile.Just go to Yesterdays Tractors and post on Hauling Schedule and you will get several responses.I have names of some good truckers that I use.515-290-4336 or [email protected]. Wide loads require permits ,travel routes ,and daytime operation,which are required. As far as tractors we have had good luck with everything until the DEF and pollution devices came required in 2011 after that codes,regeneration, and phantom problems are part of normal operation. It not color blind either as every manufacturer is having issues. We actually sols an 8370R and replaced it with a 8320R pre emissions and instead of buying aa 9560 0r 70 went with 865C Cat pre emissions and also have semis that are 2006s for same reasons.Eventually we will all have to bite the bullet but for me not quite yet. The serial number check can show you some of past history.I deal in older 20/55 series tractors and there was a way to check 55 series as I have done it by removing panel and changing a fuse to different location. |
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Nw Iowa | I like to buy hrs upfront meaning that the lower hr tractors are the Best Buy for me. Right now unless I was in a terrible hurry I would be patient. Buying a tractor 800 miles from home is always risky unless you looked at it. Summer auction season is just starting here in mn and Iowa and corn and soybeans have tanked. I think you may have pretty good selection or at least more to chose from closer to home. Do the math on higher hr tractors and see what cost per hr is and if you can run a tractor that cheap. 15000 for 1000hrs is 15 per hr. Maybe that is high, maybe it isn't. Tires have become very expensive, you could spend 7-10000 on tires. What did tractor do before it was traded? Did it do a lot of grain cart work or manure hauler? Or we haven't had to spend anything on it meaning it is probably due. Hrs only tell part of the story. Has it been ran thru a dealer inspection and has all work been done? Is paint honest or has it been repainted or part painted? What area was tractor sold new? Is it autosteer ready? My not be a big deal now but probably will be in the future. If it started out in California or the south make sure you know hrs are right. A 5-6000 tractor could be one of your best buys or one of your worse but if you do your homework you may give yourself better odds. I think any of the 8000 series tractors are good but depending on condition. |
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Western Iowa | 20 series is a better choice IMO
Better seat if you get active seat, better lights, easier hood access, better road speed, and you can get ILS if you want it. I can't see where the 8020 series is any less reliable than the 8010 series. Just my opinion...….
I also agree with another poster. Buyers market right now, especially in that hour range. Guys will wet themselves for a 1500 hour 8420, but won't even look at a 4000-5000 hour one.
Look up auctiontime results for similar tractors, that will get you a true cash value. |
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| garvo - 6/17/2018 08:01
we run 2 8400,1 8410 and 1 8520-the 8400 are the cheapest to run but the 8520 has ils-you need to drive a ils front end first-that is a amazing upgrade-8410 is not as snappy as the 8400's but has more power-the 8520 has more power but not as snappy as 8410 and does lot better job of pulling-mainly because of the ils-if the 8420 has ils -no brainer-otherwise a 8400-to a 8420 equipped same no big difference
If I was buying today I would look for a ils front end tractor-it would trump everything else
most 8520 tractors come with ils-Plains equipment,Seward Neb has a nice 8520 coming in-really worth a look salesman to call |
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OR | I know where. Sweet 8420 is 5100hr looks new |
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north west ohio | that 8410 is a steal for that money if u pass on it let me know. |
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Northern CA | What are they asking for the 5100 hour 8420? |
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| Wanted to say thanks for all info, comments, and wisdom passed in this discussion.
Freight: Was quoted $8 a mile by someone I met in town, had no idea of rates. Just trying to budget. Thanks for wisdom on getting quotes and contact info to quote it. I will save a lot of money.
The tractors I found, two 8410s and one 8420, none had ILS. Found a good 8520 with that and lower hours. The 8410s are both far away. 8420 near with 5100 hours. Plan to go see it soon.
Will continue to look deeper closer to home. Ok to find tractor 1000 miles away only if you can’t find one close to home. Agree it is a buyers market, should be able to find one. Still finding most 8410s and 8420s with 5,000 or more hours. Not afraid of those hours, but like about 3300 hours, a sweet spot for me.
I am pricing the tractors using 10,000 hour expected life, and $22 per hour. So I discount the future value using 7% interest over 5 years, without considering depreciation. This is helping me properly value the tractor and not overpay.
Again, thank-you. I am very grateful for all the comments, and will reread them to bd sure that I captured all the good info. |
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| Very helpful on what shipping rates are. Thank-you. Looking at a good 8410, 8420, and 8520. Appreciate all the advice. |
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| Thanks for advice on 8410 and on freight. You said the 20’s like to crack...did you mean the hoods? |
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| Thanks for advice. Found a good 8410 far away, fairly priced and an overpriced 8420 with more hours than I like, and a good 8520 far away. So far I have not liked the choices but expect to move forward on one of them soon. I appreciate your comments. |
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| Appreciate the recommendation on ILS. The 8410 and 8420’s I have seen, none have ILS. But 2005 8520s do. I believe the tractor you mentioned has been sold, before I got any pics. Agree with you, would prefer ILS. |
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| Thanks for making me aware that 20’s have plus 3-4 mph road speed. I did not know that. I am like you, would prefer Diesel engines without DEF. Also appreciate more info on rates. Have not had equipment hauled for me before. |
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| Thanks for advice to look closer to home. Yes, should be good tractors near plan. Plan on doing that, and looking at any tractor before purchase. Agree, knowing how the tractor was used helps understand if hours are harder than others. Could have been abused but for less hours.
I have been using $22 per hour as value for hours, 10,000 estimated life (for John Deere’s) and discounting that at 6%or 7%, and adding for ILS. That is helping me find the best values.
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| Thanks for sharing your experience. Very helpful. |
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| Where? |
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| $87,500 |
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John Deere 8410 or 8420?
