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Purduelabrat
Posted 6/4/2018 15:57 (#6794854)
Subject: Spraying around edge of field


Monroe City, Indiana		I am wondering what everyone does when spraying corn or soybeans around the edge of the field where weeds are the worst. I am thinking of adding an extra nozzle on the end with a valve. Double spray at the end of the boom when doing end rows or boundary. Then turn off valve and spray normally. I'm using a Spra-coupe 4450 with 65 foot boom. Thank you in advance for any comments.
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WTF2014
Posted 6/4/2018 16:02 (#6794858 - in reply to #6794854)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


CIL		That's called a fence line/fence row nozzle and many sprayers have them to get a full rate on the edge. We run a Turbo Teejet Flat Fan on our fence line nozzles since it works good with pre emerge, roundup, liberty. Only thing we don't do it on is dicamba.

Edited by WTF2014 6/4/2018 16:02
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FWRfarm
Posted 6/4/2018 16:10 (#6794867 - in reply to #6794854)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


SC WI		we run a 15 ft 110 gal gator/ranger sprayer around the outside of all our fields a couple days b4 we plant, then I also will use it for post if some weeds on the edges get out of hand. Have been doing this for a couple years and has been working really well for us. Also I took the fenceline nozzle off years ago, that damn thing does more harm then good. You might kill whats there but your going to lose your grasses and broadleaves take over. If anything spray 2-4d or dicamba in fall on the fencelines and control the broadleaves

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GrainTrader
Posted 6/4/2018 16:20 (#6794875 - in reply to #6794867)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field



20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana		Just finished up this sprayer to do the same. New to spraying and thought this would be handy for a lot of situations. Especially like the hand wand for waging war on fence rows and tree lines



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PLO NW MN
Posted 6/4/2018 16:29 (#6794884 - in reply to #6794858)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field



NW MN		Maybe I’m reading wrong but I think he means doubling the rate on the end nozzle not spraying out past the boom with fence row nozzle.
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WTF2014
Posted 6/4/2018 16:36 (#6794894 - in reply to #6794884)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


CIL		If he only overlaps the last nozzle on the end of the boom... to me that would be a fence line nozzle to avoid the half rate in most 15 or 20in booms which rely on overlap. But maybe that is how we use the terminology here? No way I'd spray most of our concoctions on a fence line...past the last nozzle..it would kill the grass.
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rebuilder
Posted 6/4/2018 19:42 (#6795143 - in reply to #6794854)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


Bourbon,Indiana

Purduelabrat - 6/4/2018 16:57 I am wondering what everyone does when spraying corn or soybeans around the edge of the field where weeds are the worst. I am thinking of adding an extra nozzle on the end with a valve. Double spray at the end of the boom when doing end rows or boundary. Then turn off valve and spray normally. I'm using a Spra-coupe 4450 with 65 foot boom. Thank you in advance for any comments.

First, I want to say....I absolutely HATE fence line nozzles. Those guys that use them and kill all the grass off in the fence-line / ditch, then allow all the other bad weeds to come up. I would MUCH rather have a nice bromegrass growing, keeping the ragweeds, bindweeds, THW, marestail, etc at bay.

My modus operandi:

1) on fields when spraying residuals, or if there is already a heavy flush of weeds when spraying my contact sprays, I will bump up my gpa on my controller for the border pass. For instance if spraying Harness Xtra @ 12 gpa fro the field, I will bump it up to 13, or 14 gpa along the border to give me a higher chemical rate for those heavy areas. This works good for me, as most of my problem weeds come from my neighbors along the fence line.

2) I spend many hours on an ATV with two tanks. Front tank carries crossbow spiked with stinger and a heavy dose of 80/20 sticker. This is for any broadleaves, brush, marestail, poison ivy, etc. It does not kill the grass. The rear tank carries either r-up for poke-weed, or other perennial weeds which need the root system killed, or Liberty.

3) Late season(Aug/Sept) is important to police your fencelines to make sure nothing was missed and going to seed. This is the only way to accomplish weed free fields, is to eliminate the seeds. I will run down pretty tall beans with my ATV if I have to, as I feel a clean border trumps bushels long term. In corn, if I can not use the ATV, I will use my back-pack, or hand carried sprayer with the same mixes.

4) If I find large patches too big to hit with my small sprayers, I draft the progeny into pulling those patches so no seed goes through the combine.

5) when combining, if I come across a missed patch of weeds, I will harvest that area last, and then blow the combine off before going to the next field to keep from spreading  the seeds.

This is all about seedbank management, and is a constant thing. Wind born, or bird deposited seeds like marestail, and TWH can throw a wrench into this plan, but by-and-large, I have very few weed issues.

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GrainTrader
Posted 6/4/2018 19:43 (#6795148 - in reply to #6794854)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field



20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana		Agree on the dislike of fencerow nozzles when spraying stuff that’ll kill the grass.
Also roll around all summer with the ranger And 2 tanks

Makes a difference in my opinion

I hadn’t thought about using stinger. We’ve been using grazon on some roadsides. Stinger would probably got the thissles good without the elusive multi year residual of the grazon... gotta keep an eye on grandpa when he gets crazy with the grazon... makes for a nice surprise in next years Beans... where everyone driving by can see

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AR1920
Posted 6/4/2018 20:19 (#6795214 - in reply to #6794854)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


NEMO		I set my fence row tip so it doesn't spray any wider than the last tip on the boom. That way you get a higher rate of chemical to offset the last tip not getting any overlap.
I've thought about mounting an atv type sprayer on my field sprayer to do as others mentioned and apply a broadleaf brush chemical off the end of the boom on my first pass but haven't gotten it done yet.
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KDD
Posted 6/4/2018 22:45 (#6795556 - in reply to #6795143)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field



Leesburg, Ohio		You can hate whatever u want. We use fencerow nozzles mostly just in the fall when spraying dicamba and 2,4-D. I use a #10 floodjet tip turned up to blast the fencerow and any trees-brush along field edges. Leaves the grass in place.

Like anything else, they can be abused, bit no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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KRM
Posted 6/5/2018 15:03 (#6796365 - in reply to #6794854)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


NC Kansas		I'll do clean up with my ranger and 15ft booms. I also have it so I can cut my boom down to 10ft if I'm just crowding a fence. I used it last spring with a little engenia to clean up the corners of our xtend bean fields. Plus if you see a skip you can run out in the field and take care of it. I'm fixing to do this ahead of the sprayer on one filed. Don't know what happened if we didn't properly charge the booms or what but I have about 1/4 of an acre where the pre-herbicide either didn't work or wasn't coming out of the boom properly. Beans are only 2-3" tall and pigweeds are about to pass them. rest of the field is spotless, as it had metribuzin 2-4d and R-up in early april and Authority 1st right ahead of the drill. this one spot is a mess and i'm gonna hit it hard with my ranger sprayer as soon as I can get there.

We saved spraying whole fields with dicamba where there were just troubled spots I could easily hit with my little rig.

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Coastal
Posted 6/5/2018 18:10 (#6796543 - in reply to #6794854)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


I have my fence row nozzles tied into my foam marker system since I don't use it. It was simple and cheap since all the components where there. Generally keep a stiff rate of 24d mso dual.
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oldbones
Posted 6/5/2018 21:48 (#6796960 - in reply to #6794894)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field



Floyd County, Iowa		Must be a "localized terminology" thing.
Around here, a fence line nozzle is at the end of the boom and sprays the grass in the fence line. Local co-op sprayed mine a few years ago with glypho and Select.
They no longer use the fenceline nozzle, I no longer work there, and they no longer have my business.
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oldbones
Posted 6/5/2018 21:56 (#6796976 - in reply to #6795556)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field



Floyd County, Iowa		What he's talking about is spraying grass control herbicides on the fence line when spraying the crop, not the chemicals and method you refer to for broadleaf control in the grass strips.
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KRM
Posted 6/6/2018 10:34 (#6797564 - in reply to #6795148)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


NC Kansas		I think it does make a difference. just takes a few escapes along the field borders to keep the seed bank going. I still don't get them all but you gotta try.
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oldbones
Posted 6/7/2018 20:46 (#6799943 - in reply to #6795214)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field



Floyd County, Iowa		I have a 25 gal sprayer on the back of my Ranger. I made a telescoping/tilting "boom" that mounts on the front bumper of the Ranger.
On the end of that, I have a flood jet nozzle in an adjustable nozzle holder.
I have the pump motor running off a deep cycle battery, and a switch on a chord that I have up front with me.
I drive the fence rows and switch it on/off as needed. Can usually go about 3.5 mph spraying the fence rows.
I mostly use Grazon because of thistles, but sometimes just use 2-4d Amine if it's just broadleaves.
The boom/nozzle works pretty good, and all I have to keep track of is that one nozzle. But you do have to make a separate trip around the fields.
Just an idea for you.
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Purduelabrat
Posted 6/9/2018 14:28 (#6802691 - in reply to #6799943)
Subject: RE: Spraying around edge of field


Monroe City, Indiana		Thank you everyone for replying. First, allow me to apologize for not being as clear as I should have. I am looking to double the rate on the outside nozzle to keep the first ~30" of weed pressure low. I spray on 30" centers and do not use the nozzle overlap method. I have a fence row nozzle on the outside of the center boom with a solenoid valve. I could spray with the boom folded in, which is fine with Fall or Spring burn down, but not as desirable with post applications as I have to reconfigure GPS and Raven controllers. I thought of increasing the rate via the flow meter, but I feel I am wasting herbicide(s) with the rest of the boom.

I have a solenoid valve on each end of the left and right boom sections to go from a 65' boom on Fall/Spring burn down to 60' with post applications so I am on the planter marker as a backup to GPS.

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