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SE Michigan | Would like to replace / upgrade skid steers in the future, also see some needs for a small dozer (Cat D4, Case 350-450, ect), Small used dozers can be had for around 12K, (perfect for what need) or spend the extra $$ on a tracked skid? or get one of each??
I completely understand that a tracked skid will not do all the things a small dozer can, but for leveling fence lines, light to medium grading, ect How are "mid" sized skids with dozer blades, can they move dirt "close" to a small dozer? |
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Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251 | Tracked skidloaders fool you - you get more done with one than you think compared to a small dozer.
I would by far rather have our Kubota track skid loader than a dozer like you are thinking. They may not be able to push as strong, but they push a lesser amount faster. They just get around so much quicker/better. |
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Sw mn | I have a jd ct332 as for using it as a dozer it works for finishing work and doesn't cut well with my dozer blade. But take a bucket and you can move dirt much faster if much cutting is to be done the finish with the blade. A small dozer will move much more dirt much faster in bigger areas. The ctl works great for small jobs and is much easier to move from job to job. |
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| Run a Deere 333e. 100 horse machine. It’s no joke with a 90” bucket. The quick cycle time is the advantage. |
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Norhtwest Iowa | I demoed a 297 cat and you could boil dirt over the top of the bucket. It was an animal! It depends on what you're going to do with it, cutting grade for a large building pad the dozer would be quicker. Smaller pads for small buildings a skid loader would be better. |
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se mn | A good track skid will rival any small dozer. It all depends on the application you are using it for. I would spend the money on a bigger track machine before i would buy a skid and a dozer. |
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West Central Iowa | Completely agree on track skid loader being very productive, the only drawback is they can be very high maintenance, imo |
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Galena IL | Kubota 95 will match a D 4 moving dirt.... Dennis |
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lascassas, tn | you can grade with a loader but you can't load with a dozer |
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| Key is in cycle time. Little bites but very fast bites. Reverse speed twice that of a dozer and turn around and cut both ways quickly etc. |
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53925 | I was told small dozers don't have many available attachments and don't load things worth a darn. Advise I got from a person who got rid of a d4 for a tracked cat skidloader |
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south central IOWA | Pete1468 - 5/12/2018 21:27
It depends on what you're going to do with it, cutting grade for a large building pad the dozer would be quicker. Smaller pads for small buildings a skid loader would be better.
I'd rather do building pads of any size with a skidloader because you can get better compaction with one over a dozer. Plus a nicer, smoother, more level top to work on. Makes the builders job just that much easier.
The last building pad we done, we had an soil engineer test it with his penetrometer and it tested 5000psi. That was on 7ft of fill. He was impressed we were able to get it that high.
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| play in the dirt - 5/12/2018 23:02
Pete1468 - 5/12/2018 21:27
It depends on what you're going to do with it, cutting grade for a large building pad the dozer would be quicker. Smaller pads for small buildings a skid loader would be better.
I'd rather do building pads of any size with a skidloader because you can get better compaction with one over a dozer. Plus a nicer, smoother, more level top to work on. Makes the builders job just that much easier.
The last building pad we done, we had an soil engineer test it with his penetrometer and it tested 5000psi. That was on 7ft of fill. He was impressed we were able to get it that high.
Did you get the loaded dump trucks to roll it in every 6” of rise? That sounds like a great pad and 7’ makes it even better
Brett
Edited by rustyshakelford 5/13/2018 06:55
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Hanby Mill, AL | I operate both in hilly ground in North Alabama. 115 hp tracked skid steer and 120 hp Cat dozer. Skid steer has advantages until you start operating on slopes. Advantage goes to dozer when operating on hills. Skid steer just doesn’t maintain traction. I’ve been disappointed with the skid steer not being able to walk up some of our hilly ground - not operating but simply traversing ground - just spins out where a dozer will operate. Each has its strengths and weaknesses |
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Almond Wisconsin | I am my third bobcat skid steer. Kept upgrading because I use it more than I ever would’ve dreamed. Now have a T770 95horse. It is a beast ,one of the best investment I ever made. Go with it
Edited by wishbone7803 5/13/2018 08:18
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| We have a Deere CT322 tracked skid loader (only about 70 horse) and an older D5 Cat. The skid loader is great for grading and even fixing crossings, etc. Have a grapple and can move a lot of brush pretty quick with the skid steer. If you don't have ponds to build, bigger trees to remove, etc. I would go with a tracked skid steer in the 90 horse range.
Cam
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Southwest Illinois | Had a Deere 455D for quite a few years. We used it a fair amount, but seemed to be limited to projects more than occasional use. Had to move it with our detach so that process alone took some time. Some years we put 10 hours on it some years 100, but I would say 30 was average. Had a neighbor who wanted it so I let him use it and he wanted to buy it so I sold it. Bought a nice used Bobcat 320T. It will easily do the work of the 455, with the exception of handling brush piles when burning. The steel tracks are nice for that. You can work a bit around fire with the skid loader but you have to be pretty careful. We had since added a set of forks, trencher, grapple, brush mower and broom. We put 100-150 hours on it every year. I would never go back to a highlift. |
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south central IOWA | LoL. No dump trucks brought us any dirt. Majority of the fill was cut out for the driveway and we also dug a basement next to it that we got some dirt from. We'll spread 4 to 6 inches and then pack and make smooth so you end up only going up a couple 2-3 inches at a time. That's where the speed of a skidloader helps out.
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sw corner ia. | I find it interesting that you can pack dirt at all with machine that has such extremely low ground pressure. I have never been able to do that.. |
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south central IOWA | I agree it doesn't seem right and maybe not all machines are created equal. They sure vibrate the ground driving around so maybe that helps. They're 4.5lbs per square inch ground pressure and I thought that was about the range of most skidloaders?
We dug in a water line into another building pad we done that the bottom half of the pad was done with skidloaders and the top half was done with a D6 size dozer. You could sure tell the difference in compaction on that pad and I was the operator of both machines building the pad. The top half was easy digging.
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Sw mn | I built a drive way and some spots were over 10' of fill packed it with my ctl. It is hard. They pack well if small lifts are made. It weighs about 12,500 lbs with a bucket and 14,000 with the dozer blade on it. You can move lots with the bucket but don't have the front weight like a dozer for cutting with the blade. |
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Are tracked Skidsteers as good as a small dozer?
