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Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251 | We are going to start making our own hydraulic hoses. We have two local parts places we currently buy stuff from. One carries gates, and one carries weatherhead.
Which is the better brand to carry?
They both offer similar deals where if you buy $5000.00 or so of fittings and hose, they give or loan you a crimper. |
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Southwest Missouri | Can’t give a comparison. We have a Weatherhead and we like it. I helps to have some standard fittings on hand. If I need 2 i buy 3. That thinking has resulted in probably thousands in inventory. It also helped to replace broken hoses on our discbine yesterday. We are trying to take advantage of a small stretch of good weather. |
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mn | A&I has a better program for getting the crimper. Lower $ amount gives you the crimper. |
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| Gates 707. Adjustable, and with research, will do any hose and/or fitting. |
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SW “Ohia” | olivetroad,
I personally prefer Gates products. They seem a little heavier than Weatherhead, but that's just my opinion.
Also yes the 707 crimper is highly flexible and easy to use.
Edited by Red Paint 5/9/2018 18:52
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Redickville, Ont | +1 on weather head. We have had one for as long as I can remember. |
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| For us in the south I find that Gates seems to have better UV protection. Once you have your own you will wonder how you got along with out it. |
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Tuscola, IL | What kind of deal does A&I offer? Do you have to contact them directly or through a reseller? |
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Chanute, KS. | Can't go wrong with Gates 707 machine allows you to use any brand ends or hose. I do prefer Gates ends but like the flexibility to crimp whatever is available. They even have a battery cable die for it. |
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algona iowa | We have both weather head and gates due to us needing metric fittings thru gates seems better service from sales person also but have had weather head machine for 20 years with no complaints other than cant get all the ends we need . |
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ECMS | Agree like gates here. Weather head will have lost all its outer coating (nothing but wire showing)and gates will still be fine. |
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mn | CASE3594 - 5/9/2018 19:00
What kind of deal does A&I offer? Do you have to contact them directly or through a reseller?
You have to purchase through a reseller. $2750 of hoses and fittings gets you a 35 ton crimper. $3750 in hoses and fittings gets you a 60 ton crimper. |
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Tuscola, IL | Wow, that isn't bad at all. Thanks for sharing the info. I've been wanting a hose crimper for a long time. That actually makes it fairly reasonable. |
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Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells | Marking |
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Wallis, TX | We went with Parker. If you want to discuss, call me.
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Magnolia, KY | Marking |
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West Central Iowa | Here is a copy and paste of a reply I made a year ago to a similar post.
"I have had a Gates PC707 hose machine for probably 30 years or more and it has been a great machine and has crimped thousands of ends, but I have only used the Gates hose and ends. The Gates system just works......I don't think I have EVER had a hose come back that was built with my ends and my hose, but I have had a lot of other brands of new hoses drug in the door that either leaked or the ends came off.
The 2 things that will kill your hose business is new hoses that give problems and not having enough inventory to build the majority of hoses that come in the door." |
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| I had a Gates 707 crimper and with the dies it came with, it would not do Discount Hydraulics hose fittings.
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| Buy a adjustable crimper, the 60 ton A&I crimper I believe is made by Dayco, also sold in Canada by Pulsar.
http://www.daycoproducts.com/dayco%C2%AE-d165dc-crimper
The deal for crimper for free from A&I sounds like a great deal. Here is the same crimper sold by Discount Hydraulic Hose $2627, wonder if the free crimper includes dies, as they can add up.
https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/D165_Compact_Hose_Crimper_p/d1... |
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| Flexdraulic hose and fittings from Trausch Dynamics in Grand Island Ne. I've been using it for 10 years and most of it is outdoors. Cover really lasts outdoors. Can't say on Gates but Parker and Weatherhead have been a disaster for outdoor work. Competitive pricing and they sell crimpers of different levels from production to hand pump models. Good luck. |
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| Final thought. T-L irrigation, maker of hydrostatic driven center pivots now uses Flexdraulic hose as original equipment. Has to survive in a harsh environment. |
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south central MN | I have a custom crimp 105 they are made in Illinois. If you know how to use a dial indicator and know how to research the crimp dimensions for different manufacturers hose ends then this machine is for you. If you want a Crimper for those that don’t educate them selves on how to properly make hose assemblies and verify each crimp to see if it meets specs then you really should not use any machine and have them made for you.
With this machine I can crimp specialty fittings for race cars, (BMRS.net) or on farm equipment I use Gates mostly with the G series megacrimp ends on Gates hose, also can do discount hydraulics hose and ends, and Dayco hose and ends. Weather head is now going to full crimp on their new ends and hose so I could do these also.
The Custom Crimp 105 can do up to 1 inch 2 wire hose or up to 3/4 inch 4 wire hose. I find if you need hose assemblies bigger then this you just get them from implement or parts store since the hose ends become so specialized and expensive.
I get my Gates mostly over the internet from WBC industrial out of Colorado. I use discount hydraulics on older equipment or on sprayer booms where lengths are so long to outer cylinders. Gates has an app for iPhone to get the proper crimp dimensions for their hose and ends. I think the app is called ecrimp. You put in what series of hose, what size of hose and what series of ends and it will tell you the final crimp dimension
What ever you use learn the critical dimensions for the finished crimps. Hydraulic failures kill people. |
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central mich |
We have two crimpers, a large Imperial that will crimp up to 2in, 6 wire.
And a Flextral FX-21 which will crimp up to 1 1 /4 inch , 6 wire.
The Imperial is an adjustable which enables us to reuse fittings esp very large fittings as we have all sizes of ferrules.
The Flextral is a forced stop stroke machine and will crimp up to 1 1/4", 6 wire.
We have also owned Finn Power equipment.
We prob have about $30,000 invested and perhaps much more but we have a lot of fittings , hose and adapters.
We use nearly all all NRP/Jones hose and fittings. But have crimped many different brands.
Someone mentioned A&I hose, etc. We did look at the PIX imported hose from A & I as they claimed it was more flexible. And it was but it was also slightly undersized from SAE specs as I recall which was several years ago.
Finished up the reels we had and no more.
I guess I would buy a used adjustable machine and then buy some standard fittings where ever cost less. I would only buy "bite to the wire" fittings. Check the crimp dimensions and write them down for the particular fitting and that is it. I don't like to tied to one manufacturer.
On the deals with the stop stoke machines you are somewhat limited to that particular brand name unless you custom make some different plate dimensions.
I guess it is all up to the skill and motivation of the owner of the machines. |
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Southern Illinois | We use gates here, we have a older 3000B gates crimper it will crimp up to 2 inch hose. local stores carry weatherhead and they didn't stand up to uv rays. however i'm sure they use the cheapest hose they can find. Gates carries 3 different types of hose there regular hose, then there xtratuff, and there there megatuff. We stock all the megatuff hose its pricy but seems to be holding up rather well heres a read up on the different types of hoses.
https://ww2.gates.com/europe/brochure.cfm?brochure=2339&location_id=...
Edited by farmrboy 5/9/2018 22:08
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Southern Lower Michigan | I have an aeroquip 1380. It is adjustable, and will do 1 1/4 four wire hose. Works wery well.
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SW OH | We have a Gates 707 and get along fine with fittings from discount hydraulics. It takes some trial to figure out which die and what setting for each size. We have the older lettered dies.
Mitchco |
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| Gates 707
measure the od of the pressed fitting with a mike
have not had a problem with discount ends
what ever you get, don't get a non adjustable crimper |
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Chanute, KS. | The Gates machine is capable of crimping any brand hose and ends. This guy is not doing the research needed on crimp specification needed for the different hose and ends. I have used several brands of hose but made sure to cross it to Gates equivalent hose this allowed me to check crimp dimension. Using different ends was more difficult to find the correct crimp dimensions but it can be done. Discount Hose does not sale Gates but there is a lot of good information on their site. |
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Stayner, Ontario | Brand of crimper A and I handle? |
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| Numbered set of dies bottomed out before crimping to proper diameter. Had to use 3/8 set for 1/2 inch hose so I went back to my old Weatherhead machine and sold the 707.
Not all are the same.
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| I have three different press's
2 or three different charts
the letter dies don't match the hoses on both charts |
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NE SD | Yes on the Gates 707. They will crimp anything, though you may have to use zas different die than what gates Jose and fittings call for. We bought the crimper and saw combo new got under $1500. If you get set up with a fates distributor you will get a discount that is about 30% off over the counter. That puts prices right in line with discount hydraulic. Of you don't want to carry say 1" stuff for hydrostatic lines, you still get the discount on the stuff at the distributor even if you have them make it, you just need to pay their labor.
Be prepared to have some new friends once word gets out you have a machine. |
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What brand of hydraulic hose crimper and hose should we buy?
