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| In the market for a smaller h.p. 4 wd tractor. Salesman called and said he's got a 1996 JD 8570 4wd with 3750 hrs, 3 hyd, 24 speed, with 20.8 x 38 tires(at only 40%). Wanting a smaller h.p. so i don't have to change over my entire tillage line. My current tillage tractor is a JD 4560 mfwd so going up to 250 hp I could keep my field cultivator and just have to get a new disk ripper. Which needs to be replaced anyhow. What do you guys think about these tractors.... good, bad, ugly or run away fast. Being 26 years 7 days old and growing up on a small farm I don't have much any experience with 4 wd tractors. Also what do you guys think this would be worth and any problems to search for as i might be going to look at it tomorrow or early next week. Searched a few older posts on here and only negative i found was that i have to realize it's only a 250 hp. tractor in a big frame and i understand that. thanks in advance for any replies. i'm sure you guys will be very helpful as you have been in the past.. by the way i'm in s.w. MN and it is a local trade so i will call the previous owner. |
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Central IL | We have an 8960 and really like it. Like you said it is only 250 hp. My thoughts always were instead of buying a 250hp 4wd you might be better with a 225 mfwd. Not nuch less hp and plenty of traction for the hp, but more veratile for other jobs such as planting, grain cart, or in our case a grain vac. |
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Wheatley, Arkansas | A JD 8570 IMO would be a very good tractor, especially with that few hours on it. I only have 8770-8870's , but other than the engine and HP, they are basically the same tractor. You will find it is a good riding tractor, with most of the controls right where they need to be. The cabs are nice for their time, although maybe a little on the small side.
The main areas to look IMO would be the gudgeon for wear, the steering cylinders for slack, and any hoses that are in close together. Seems that the steering hoses give us the most trouble, but they aren't expensive to replace. |
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Brown City, Michigan | I've have a 8560 with around 6,000 hours on it, of which I have put all but 800. In that time it has been a very good tractor. I also have a 8640. We've dynoed them both and they are only 7 hp different. The 8640 feels like more tractor, however, they both pull the same equipment. The 8560 is much, much, much better on fuel. I've got hired help and they all favor the 8560 as it is much quieter with a better cab. Downside to the 8560, is the numerous hydraulic hoses that weave through the pivot joint . They tend to blow out every few years. Mine has 3pt and PTO. If the tractor has been sitting a while, the 3pt won't go down with out persuasion. Never was a problem with the 8640. Visibillity is better with the 8640. Maintenance costs are much lower with the 8560.
I also went from 160 hp tractors up to the 250 hp range. Quickly found out we needed to upgrade field cultivators, as the 26 ft JD 1010 were built with too light of wings for the 4wds. We now pull 34 ft Jd 2210 with 36 ft packers. The 8640 is too light for pulling beet trucks with big trailers. The 8560 can do it much better, with its extra weight. |
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Brown City, Michigan | Check this out @ Tractorhouse
http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/list.aspx?ETID=1&catid=1108&Ma... |
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Elmira, Ontario | A 225 hp mfwd is actually more hp than a 250hp 4wd. Remember, the mfwd is rated at the pto, while the 4wd is rated at the engine. I don't have the specs in front of me, but I'll venture that the 8570 will be around 210 pto hp. |
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Wheatley, Arkansas | yea, but the 8570 is weighted to the ground, will pull more. |
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Elmira, Ontario | adam7 - 1/1/2009 16:47 i have to realize it's only a 250 hp. tractor in a big frame and i understand that. The 8570 is the smallest tractor in its frame size. So is your 4560. I haven't compared the power to weight ratio of both, but you will probably be in the same range. If doing the math, just make sure you use either engine or pto hp for both so you get comparable numbers.
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MN | good tractors.. have a 8560 w/ 4200hrs. been real happy with it, not gonna run with the big 4wd tractors but hey you arent coughing up the big $$ and way cheaper than MFWD. My opinion is you guys can have the MFWD's and i'll take the 4wd, rides better less prone to power hop, lot less maintenance, not much need to ballast as its already there, better visibility. but then again what works for me, probably wont work for you... we are actually looking for a second small 4wd (8570/9100) w pto 4 carting/stalk chopping...
questions feel free to email me.. our 8560 actually came from up in your neck of the woods..
Edited by swmn8560 1/1/2009 17:56
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Elmira, Ontario | There are those that find the 8570 sluggish because they don't realize the difference between engine and pto horsepower. I wanted to make sure they are comparing apples to apples. If 250 pto hp is required, then you'd need to get an 8770 or equivalent.
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Wheatley, Arkansas | what is a 4560? 155-160 pto? Shouldn't a 8570 run circles around it? |
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Elmira, Ontario | eddiedry - 1/1/2009 18:03 what is a 4560? 155-160 pto? Shouldn't a 8570 run circles around it? I would think so. My comments were geared toward Il Deere Driver saying a 225 hp mfwd would have less power. My book learning tells me different!
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| I have a 1996 8570 that I purchased new. It has been an excellent tractor. I do most of my tillage work and custome sidedress corn. Only problem I have had are the steering cylinders need rebuilt every so often. I have had problems with seals and rings leaking internal and the tractor would not run straight and it would where the tires pretty bad. Have just over 4000 hours on it now. I have no problem replacing a front wheel assist with an articulted but would not replace a small articulated with a fwa. |
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Central IL | You guys are completely right. I did forget about the 8570 being flywheel hp. An 8570 will do more than a 4560, but the people I know that have them think an 8570 is to small to be a big tractor and to big to be a small tractor. My point was 8400 is similar hp but is a lot more versatile for other jobs. |
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Southeast Florida | Problem is you can buy an 8970 for the same price. |
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MN | yep your right. our 8560 came from around danube, Duane Standfuss was the gentlemans name if i remember right.. |
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