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Central Pennsylvania | does anyone know how to make some cheap Y drops? |
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modesto il | Dont know your location but here in central il the hype with them is over |
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| Guys stop using them? Went back to all preplant or doing second pass another way? |
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CIL | Latest fad. Poor choice of words on my part. Should have said trend. Like all newer practices, some will work in some areas, some won't inothers. First it was no till, then strip till, then 2x2 with the planter, then the high speed nh3 bars, now y drops.
Edit...always stuck with nh3 sidedressed....and bought in to the 10 gal of 28 2x2
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Grundy county Illinois | https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=706112&mid=600... |
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| Waste of money IMO. Put your nitrogen in the ground, where it be belongs. |
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modesto il | 2016 results
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Zabcikville, TX | Easy. We run a 3/8" hose in every other middle. Put a 4" piece of pipe over the hose for weight. Put a "T" in the bottom to squirt it closer to the row. Use the correct orifice for gpa, speed, and pressure you want to run. Without the pipe, the hoses will ride up on the leaves and be all over the place. |
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Donnellson, IA. Makes saying here easier. | Hopefully some more will have some pics of ones they produced. With our terrain changes terraces etc I like the actual ydrop with break away set up. With a lot of variability and lower om matter on a lot of acres we see good response to drops over our NH3 sidedress. Especially now that we can run other nutrients with the 28% instead of just N with smoke. We actually were down on units applied in drops 20-30# compared to the NH3 with same yield levels. For some could be a fad. In a marginal environment it seems to still be working great just like strip till 2x2 and notill does. As always locations mean everything. I'm sure most would love the easiest route to apply N. For us thats multiple apps and with S and B each trip.
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| Here is what I put together last year. Kinda used the ideas of others on ag talk, just tweaked them a bit to work on my ground. Worked great last year
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Morris, IL | I can tell just by the background in that picture you need more flexibility then I do. Don’t back up tho, and how did you plumb them? I see the grey box is that some sort of check valve/orifice? Merle posted mine above. |
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Western Ky. | My thoughts are: wait till the first 1983 1988 or 2012 type of year comes along and all Y drops will be in the garbage heap in back of the shop. No way this practice will work in severe drought conditions. Yes I know corn is not going to be real great in an extreme drought anyway. In 2012 we had corn go anywhere from 67 bpa to 192 bpa. None of it would have been anywhere close to the yields we received if we had used Y drops.
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20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana | Their is no Base Plus on any of those trials? |
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| Yeah I put an orifice/check valve there. Thought it would keep the 32 from bleeding off across waterways. With the 45 on the bottom and the rubber hose on the top for flexibility it sure is a lot nicer to run. Only broke one last year and that was my fault for not moving forward when I let the boom down. |
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Central Ohio | This was a good thread recently.
https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=766488&posts=4... |
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Morris, IL | We had similar yields in 2012 and I would have died to have Y drop that year. Could have saved lot of N and not made any difference in yield and income with crop insurance. Yes hard to believe I wanted a tool I wouldn’t have used but that is only way I feel comfortable cutting preplant N rates. |
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Morris, IL | Interesting, what does your bracket look like and I would love to see closeup how you setup that check valve? How fast can you run? I played around with steel and a flex like that they wanted to jerk through field instead of steadily pull through the field. We did have some gooseneck corn that year tho. I broke couple when hoses got under my tires backing up. |
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Western Ky. | I understand your point but "here" we had no rain, as in none, from v4 till middle September. I believe had we used Y drops only, our yields would have suffered from a lack of N along with a lack of rain resulting in less yield than we had. Maybe it is different other places but here there are corn growers who are only using y drops to apply N. It seems to me there has to be some rain to get surface applied N down to the root zone.
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| In 2012 we had a bunch of 30-50 bpa corn that had NH3 sidedressed, last year we had a lot of sub 10p bpa corn that was sidedressed with NH3 and one farm that was half sidedress NH3 and half 32% dribbled on with drops with no real yield difference. |
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Hennepin, IL | Like any fad we've seen over the years, there are guys that jump on it whole hog, thinking it'll be a silver bullet. They fail because they don't use the tool as part of a system, it is the system. Then the guys sitting in the background see the silver bullet guys fail and take an "I told you so" stance and continue to pat themselves on the back for continuing to not try anything different. Those of us that utilize new tools as part of a system, be it y drops, no till, strip till, VT machines, planter fertilizer, etc, and don't try to make them the entire system really do appreciate being able to buy this equipment at a big discount a few years later. |
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| Here is mine. I only used them last year. I plan to use them on more acres this year.
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| I think I was running 8.5-9. Any faster and they would ride up the corn leaves. The check valves are kinda a pain to get into but can be done. Was running 60 ft last year might try going out to 120 this year.
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West Central IL | Almost bought some. Neighbor did last year. Ended up putting all his ammonia on this fall this year. Not saying he won't use them again. The fall was so nice, a lot of farmers took advantage of it. Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't shoot a little more on somewhere this year to see if it helps. Don't hear near as much about them on agtalk as when they first came out. |
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Donnellson, IA. Makes saying here easier. | Well wrote. Too many think the last 50 bushel should be as easy to get as the first. Everything works together as a system to approach higher yields. For so.many if you say it gain 5-15 bushel they say I wouldn't bother with the extra hassle. I bought them did enough custom to own them. Have a nh3 sidedress bar and a strip till machine that does liquid, dry, and nh3 so my options are always open. It has a place on my farm most.seasons, and when we get a very wet spring again others may think they are okay too. |
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| Spoon feeding the corn at different times is what makes yield! We strip till putting down N then going back a V 8 V 10 and it will out yield all other practice. It's using the N at the most efficient time! Getting it started and finishing it off. If we never tried new things then we would still be planting open pollinated corn! |
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Morris, IL | I might have to try this, good job you made my drops better. I wonder if this would be something easier to get into the electrical box you mounted? https://www.dultmeier.com/products/search/11882 Or does the fact the Teejet come apart make it easier? They make a 3 psi one as well same price look same just different spring but no picture on dultmeier site. I'm guessing as tight as that is your run orifice at boom? I'll tell you i run without check valves and find very little dipping until i unhook at boom then they drain out 100% quickly.
Maybe it's just me but i kind of like Y drop to match planter if possible. 60' with a 30' planter are OK but in corners where they don't match not so great. I have corners setup one way to minimize damage when i sidedress NH3 but come Y drop would be better if they were different.
You did great, A+
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| Those check valves would work a lot better! I’ve actually have larger ones in the check valve that I put in when I built the drops but they were a little to big for the speed I was able to run. So I put smaller ones at the boom. Figured if I wanted to do a higher rate I can just take them out of the boom quick. Kind of a trail and error deal figuring out want works and want doesn’t. |
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Southern MN | I talked to a guy at a meeting who farmed west of the river in South Dakota. That is an extremely dry environment for growing corn. He has used them 3 years in a row. The first year he did y drops and used a coulter rig sidedress 32% every other pass. The y drop strips greened the corn up in 2 days. The coulter passes took 2 weeks. He said no rain in those 2 weeks but the dew was enough to move it in the root zone.
I'm trying some split apps this year with some applied preplant and the rest with y drops. |
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frederick, MD | I agree that some things work a certain way and many people don't realize this. I have a friend that does this all the time. Gets mad if I do something and don't tell him. Half the time I don't even think he needs to do what I am doing. |
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ECIL | 2016 I did a 75% Fall NH3 + 25% @ V10 compared to 75% Fall NH3 +25% Spring ESN. Yield sense showed 1 BPA favor to ESN. I was hoping for the to see something (in favor of y drop) as I feel ESN is expensive (and we just bought a SP sprayer) plus you make the commitment early on... 2017 ESN proves again to be the winner. Not to mention our yields seemed to be a fair bit above some of the other local farmers who either side dressed with 28%, or who did all fall NH3. |
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CIL | I agree. It just doesn't seem to work well in our system. I would like to do more trials on our farm, but we don't have a high clearance sprayer and haven't been able to get a custom applicator come back and do 3 applications across partial fields for comparison. I know some guys like you Matt are using a pull type sprayer, but I would think the real advantage would be the late season applications at tassel. We are the odd balls in the neighborhood doing sidedressed NH3. I like all the ways guys have made their own y-drops, but I'm surprised how many aren't willing to sidedress NH3 before going to y-drops.
You're right it all comes down to the system they're trying to make work. |
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Hennepin, IL | Can't speak for your area, but I know exactly why no one messes with sidedress nh3 around here. Last spring, granted it was a bit of a fluke, but to put down 100 units replant by the time you rented the bar nh3 and 32% were basically the same money. Since we had to make a pass with the sprayer anyways, that time and fuel was basically covered, but the fuel, time, and wear and tear on the tractor was going to be on top of that for nh3. Was nowhere near worth the extra hassle of nh3. Especially the hassle of sidedress nh3. I know that's not the same everywhere though. |
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CIL | I understand. Only in the last couple years have nh3 and uan had price parity. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out over the next few decades. Nh3 also has that dangerous side effect of trying to kill you. For anyone who hasn’t done split applications of N, I can see how y dropping can appear like a silver bullet. There are a lot of ways to skin this cat of n per bushel. I wish fungicide paid every year, then a high clearance sprayer would be easy to justify for us. Y drops would then be something easier to make pencil.
The agronomic side of me is glad fungicide is hit and miss....here for us. Hopefully that will keep us from over using it and allow the few modes we have in it to keep working. |
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N IL | Is that just 1" PVC Eric?
Looks great. I've ran boxed Y-Drops for 2 years and will be taking them off this year, they are too heavy. I had thoughts to build a lightweight set like you did. |
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Morris, IL | Dave, thought you built your own? Mine are light weight that is for sure these look same just modified to make them better. https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=706112&mid=600...
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